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    Gurkha:

    I second JMA's request.

    I also request, if you can, that you expand on your following comment because it is very interesting. It shows some mature wisdom.

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    I also think that the very real threat of Human Rights prosecution forced us to conduct a more restricted military campaign which has contributed to this strategic victory. As platoon & company commanders we chafed at it, but in hindsight I think that was one of the best things that happened. When I read about nightime raids and the way the US forces operated in Iraq & Afghanistan I feel that cultural alienation plays a major part in generation of hatred & the accompanying military failure. If one does nightime raids in a culture where women are hidden in Burqas..... what do you expect ? Did I ramble on a bit.... ?!
    And welcome to SWJ. We, or at least me, are thrilled to have guys who aren't American.

    One last request, what are good Indian sources that may cover some of the things you commented upon?
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    Default A few interesting links on the Indian experience

    http://www.indiandefencereview.com/n...tions-in-jk-i/

    http://www.ipcs.org/publications/


    THE INDIAN APPROACH TO COUNTERINSURGENCY OPERATIONS

    Colonel Behram A Sahukar, The Parachute Regiment, Indian Army retired

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkha View Post
    THE INDIAN APPROACH TO COUNTERINSURGENCY OPERATIONS

    Colonel Behram A Sahukar, The Parachute Regiment, Indian Army retired
    This was a good piece. It was easy to read and gave good review of all the small wars ops the Indian Army has been involved in, and there have been a lot. It had almost no acronyms! Imagine that, plain English that anybody can follow. Its free on the net.

    Gurkha: Do you have a link for "Doctrine for sub-Conventional Operations"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
    This was a good piece. It was easy to read and gave good review of all the small wars ops the Indian Army has been involved in, and there have been a lot. It had almost no acronyms! Imagine that, plain English that anybody can follow. Its free on the net.

    Gurkha: Do you have a link for "Doctrine for sub-Conventional Operations"?
    Try
    http://ids.nic.in/doctrine.htm

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    Gurkha posted a link to Indian doctrine in these matters:http://ids.nic.in/doctrine.htm

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    Default The Departed The return home of Kashmir's disillusioned militants

    An excellent article in a hitherto unknown Indian magazine 'The Caravan' in September; hat tip to two "lurkers":http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/departed

    The article is based on interviewing several returnees, alongside a general commentary.
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    In my experience, ultimately every army reflects the ethos, culture & beliefs of a nation in a very strong manner. Its members who join up are generally very patriotic, believe in their version of history & superiority of their culture.As one moves away from the officer cadre and the special forces components, who in general are more "intelligent" & aware ( I know, I know its a large generalisation !!), the vast majority, consisting of PBI, soon develop a hostile attitude towards the population. They do not and perhaps cannot, given their cultural orientation & poor education, empathise with
    the locals. Since they form the face of the military instrument, the population begins to hate them leading to a failure in the CI campaign. People from this part of the world are culturally & religiously extra sensitive else, but many aspects of their culture are in vehement contrast to that of the average american.... hence the difficulties in WHAM (Winning Hearts & Minds). In our case while the cultural, religious & ethnic divide does exist, it is not as much, and in any case India is highly multi cultural & religious country and more importantly the Army is a real reflection of that diversity. With experience of the insurgencies of Nagaland, Punjab & Sri Lanka, we adjusted to the Kashmir scenario, though the extensive support by the Pakis did complicate things initially.

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