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    Default Pope Francis says socialism causes misery?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...-of-communism/

    If this interview actually happened it is fascinating. I hope this what the current Pope actually said and that the Church once again leads the non-state actor fight against communism masked as socialism. This threat is a much greater to our freedom than Al-Qaeda and one that needs to be challenged.

    BERGOGLIO: I believe I’m too embroiled in the secular fiasco. It is a spiritual job and I’m a soldier. Look at the nature of power. In Europe first and now in America, elected men have taken it upon themselves to indebt their people to create an atmosphere of dependency. And why? For their own selfish need to increase their own personal power. I’ve been a keen observer of the effect this has on the people, especially the poor. They are very good at creating poverty where there is no reason to explain it. My job is try to alleviate poverty and if that means to oppose the ‘cause then I will not be Pope.
    REPORTER: So your solution to poverty is to change the nature of politics?

    BERGOGLIO: Please feel free to broadcast this; I don’t want to be pope. Friend, you are a socialist and your friends are socialists. And you are the reason for 70 years of misery in Russia and Europe now is seizing in pain from your policies. You believe in the redistribution of wealth and it makes entire populations poor. You want to nationalize everything and bring every human endeavor under your control. You destroy a man’s incentive to take care of his very own family, a crime against nature and nature’s God. You want social control over populations and incrementally you are making everything against the law. Together this ideology creates more poverty today than all the corporations you vilify have in the history of man.
    REPORTER: So the game is over. Checkmate?

    BERGOGLIO: Friend, I’ve been studying America this month, before the Pope chose to resign. You must not have fear at speaking the truth. It is for the salvation of souls and the recovery of Thomas Jefferson’s people. America must not fall to the new painted communism. Even the low information voters don’t want America to be sold into slavery. I pray they cast out the money changers in their government! What manner of government is there that condones sin? Abomination upon abomination–giving monies for the murder of children, giving monies for the murder of the elderly! You are an American. Your government, My child, has been infiltrated by men of sin.

    REPORTER: These are pretty radical ideas.

    BERGOGLIO: No. Perhaps reactionary. Radical means something different. But a very long time ago, Khrushchev warned, that we cannot expect Americans to fly from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small injections of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism. This is what is happening now in an ancient bastion of freedom. How can America save Latin America when they are slaves to the government themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    If this interview actually happened it is fascinating. I hope this what the current Pope actually said and that the Church once again leads the non-state actor fight against communism masked as socialism. This threat is a much greater to our freedom than Al-Qaeda and one that needs to be challenged.
    I'd like to think the interview was real, but I suspect it's a hoax. Some of the word choices seem odd for anyone not U.S. or Canadian.

    However, here's to hoping the hoaxer actually caught the substance of the new Pope's beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Wolfsberger View Post
    I'd like to think the interview was real, but I suspect it's a hoax. Some of the word choices seem odd for anyone not U.S. or Canadian.

    However, here's to hoping the hoaxer actually caught the substance of the new Pope's beliefs.
    I tend to agree with you, but this comment on the article pretty much captures my thoughts.

    Whether or not this came from the pope is irrelevant. The observations on the state of the world and the causes for it were completely accurate. I applaud the author, pope or not. Okay leftists, atheists, progressives, etc., pile it on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    If this interview actually happened it is fascinating. I hope this what the current Pope actually said and that the Church once again leads the non-state actor fight against communism masked as socialism. This threat is a much greater to our freedom than Al-Qaeda and one that needs to be challenged.
    I have a hard time believing it is real.

    No doubt that the Catholic Church played an important role in the fight against communism – credit where credit is do. That effort was not without its costs and left skeletons in the closet - lesser evils were ignored for the sake of fighting the Evil Empire.

    I left the Church some time ago and consider myself agnostic now – so I'm not entitled say on this. I'll admit the crime and corruption in the Church disgusts me – and that it was a factor in my leaving the Church. Maybe I am too cynical, but I cant help but think that a new worldwide push by the Church against “socialism” would just be a reason not to clean out crime and corruption in the Church.
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    Didn't the original Pope Francis make the statement "Sell the Church and feed the poor"? Caution....not sure of the accuracy of that quote but someone brought that up during a conversion the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Didn't the original Pope Francis make the statement "Sell the Church and feed the poor"? Caution....not sure of the accuracy of that quote but someone brought that up during a conversion the other day.
    Don't know, but Sarah Silverman has made the same argument.
    “[S]omething in his tone now reminded her of his explanations of asymmetric warfare, a topic in which he had a keen and abiding interest. She remembered him telling her how terrorism was almost exclusively about branding, but only slightly less so about the psychology of lotteries…” - Zero History, William Gibson

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