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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Odom View Post
    That is why--and I know Wilf will appreciate this one--it is inevitable and often necessary to cloak the old in the new so folks will listen.
    Sadly very true, and which is why Military Thought has really got to become the formalised study of the past to gain knowledge and skills to apply to the future.

    We say we do it.... but we do not.
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    Peter Mansoor's "Baghdad at Sunrise" or Dexter Filkin's "The Forever War": which should I pick up next?

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    I have both on the shelf, but have only read Filkin's book so far. That said, it is a deep and emotional read. The book is stories and observations from his travels during The Long War. Some really exciting and sad stuff, definitely a must read.

    Quote Originally Posted by karaka View Post
    Peter Mansoor's "Baghdad at Sunrise" or Dexter Filkin's "The Forever War": which should I pick up next?
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    Clan Politics and Regime Transition in Central Asia.

    Feeding my poli-sci side. Not the most involving read, but a good way to refocus on the importance of informal networks and power relations after focusing on state-level relations for so long.

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    Now reading After Hegemony, Nagel's the Sling and the Stone, and Xenophon's Anabasis

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    Quote Originally Posted by tequila View Post
    Clan Politics and Regime Transition in Central Asia.

    Feeding my poli-sci side. Not the most involving read, but a good way to refocus on the importance of informal networks and power relations after focusing on state-level relations for so long.
    You dirty dirty realist.

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    Default General - Statesman

    Am finishing up William Manchester's bio of MacArthur (American Caesar).
    MacArthur's actions in post-war Japan are ripe for what can be done WRT nation-building.

    Sadly, the "global network" makes things too interconnected today to allow an individual that level of autonomy; nor is any entity (nation, military, criminal enterprise, economic aid, diplomatic resolve, etc.) able to be that decisive.

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    Default Decisive individual since McArthur?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cap'nJake View Post
    Sadly, the "global network" makes things too interconnected today to allow an individual that level of autonomy; nor is any entity (nation, military, criminal enterprise, economic aid, diplomatic resolve, etc.) able to be that decisive.
    Cap'n Jake,

    I think you are wrong it is possible for an individual to be decisive. The US retired General Jacques "Joe" Klein led a remarkable UN mission in Eastern Slavonia, a Serb rebel enclave in Croatia, which was re-integrated with robust action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...estern_Sirmium

    IIRC he was backed by "interested parties", with a UN mandate, which both Croatia and local parties had to accept and a robust Jordanian Army battallion which gave him "muscle".

    Cannot recall other UN missions which had such a figure and mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karaka View Post
    Peter Mansoor's "Baghdad at Sunrise" or Dexter Filkin's "The Forever War": which should I pick up next?
    I have Filkin's and have read Mansoor's. "Baghdad" is a great book, well written, interesting and from a civilian's point of view, it opened up a whole new world about how an effective brigade did things in unconventional and relatively conventional roles.
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    Doing a little 'light' reading on some topics outside of small wars. All three are philosophical in nature but explore science, religion, and capitalism in very definitive ways.

    1. Why does E=MC^2 by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw

    2. A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle

    3. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    Next up is Tom and Stan's most excellent adventure. It was on back order at Border's, but the assistant was well aware of the author.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    Doing a little 'light' reading on some topics outside of small wars. All three are philosophical in nature but explore science, religion, and capitalism in very definitive ways.

    1. Why does E=MC^2 by Brian Cox and Jeff Forshaw

    2. A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle

    3. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    Next up is Tom and Stan's most excellent adventure. It was on back order at Border's, but the assistant was well aware of the author.

    Mike
    Ayn is a bit of a crazy person, but can (sometimes) be fun to read nonetheless. The recent book of her Q&As was particularly interesting to me. You should check it out if you are interested in some of her philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    Ayn is a bit of a crazy person, but can (sometimes) be fun to read nonetheless. The recent book of her Q&As was particularly interesting to me. You should check it out if you are interested in some of her philosophy.
    I haven't started atlas shrugged yet. I want to read it b/c it has profoundly impacted many of our current heads of business and politics. From a short biography that I read about her, she seems to write her philosophies to justify her own lifestyle- similar to Immanuel Kant. We'll see. The other two books are really good. Cox and Forshaw have written a prose book to explain modern physics to laymen like me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    I haven't started atlas shrugged yet. I want to read it b/c it has profoundly impacted many of our current heads of business and politics. From a short biography that I read about her, she seems to write her philosophies to justify her own lifestyle- similar to Immanuel Kant. We'll see. The other two books are really good. Cox and Forshaw have written a prose book to explain modern physics to laymen like me .
    I'm not really a huge fan of reading fiction for philosophy, as you often have to wade though a whole bunch of nonsense to elicit a view that in any case isn't explicitly spelled out. Her nonfiction philosophical works like Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology, the Virtue of Selfishness and Capitalism the Unknown Ideal (or for a good overview her "For the New Intellectual") provide a much denser explanation for her views, and allow you to avoid reading a dreadful behemoth like Atlas Shrugged (1200 pages of bliss it is not). But if you enjoy pain, then you may well love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    I haven't started atlas shrugged yet. I want to read it b/c it has profoundly impacted many of our current heads of business and politics. From a short biography that I read about her, she seems to write her philosophies to justify her own lifestyle- similar to Immanuel Kant. We'll see. The other two books are really good. Cox and Forshaw have written a prose book to explain modern physics to laymen like me .
    Mike a better Ayn Rand book for you and shorter is her collection of essays called Philosophy: Who Needs It? It starts with an address she gave to the cadets at West Point, which I posted on here a few years back.
    Last edited by Jedburgh; 11-02-2009 at 11:01 PM. Reason: Added link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Sadly very true, and which is why Military Thought has really got to become the formalised study of the past to gain knowledge and skills to apply to the future.

    We say we do it.... but we do not.
    That's good for catching up to the benchmark - where we should already be, but aren't.

    The world is nevertheless changing and it requires new balances and new ideas as well. The innovative thought is important to address that.
    It's not enough to adopt old innovations, ideas and insights.

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