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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    No. We should support the Egyptian Army with everything possible and let them wipe the Muslim Brotherhood of the face of the earth.
    *Sigh*

    Look, this would require us to watch patiently when Egypt overruns
    4.1 Bahrain
    4.2 Syria
    4.3 Jordan
    4.4 Iran
    4.5 Iraq
    4.6 Palestine
    4.7 Saudi Arabia
    4.8 Kuwait
    4.9 Yemen
    4.10 Oman

    5 Elsewhere in Africa

    5.1 Algeria
    5.2 Sudan
    5.3 Somalia
    5.4 Tunisia
    5.5 Libya
    5.6 Mauritania

    6 Other states

    6.1 Russian Federation
    6.2 United States
    6.3 United Kingdom
    6.4 Indonesia
    (quote of Wikipedia's list of countries with MB presence)

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    A better comparison might be the Iranian and French Revolutions.

    The MB achieved power without true upheaval, and without an existential crisis that would have allowed them to rule in a state of emergency where they could demonize and imprison their opponents. Then they over reached and alarmed Egyptians who believe that all that they had sacrificed and fought for was about to be hijacked and mutated into a theocracy.

    They should partition the country into Upper and Lower Egypt, before it really escalates into a civil war, as Egyptians try to stamp an identity onto their country, that a substantial number of their fellow citizens disagree with.

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    Fuchs,

    It’s not about State formation, it’s about sovereignty, specifically, exclusive sovereignty – the idea that within a set territory there could be only one ruler. As I understand it this eliminated the Church’s ability to enforce edicts within a territory controlled by a secular power. Prior to that point there were parallel systems that existed in the same territory.

    This idea of a single exclusive sovereign has been under attack for some time by the R2P crowd. Their idea is that where the sovereign acts unjustly against her own people others from outside the sovereign’s territories have the legal authority to intervene. This idea would be similar in that it attacks the principle of exclusive sovereignty, except it looks at the idea of parallel sovereignty.

    It is probably too late. The hatreds are settling in. Morsi is now the equivalent of the Twelve Imam (excuse my use of a Sh’iah idea for a Sunni organization). He is perhaps more powerful now than he was before. He is the only person who can stop this rift from becoming the stuff of legend.
    "I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    *Sigh*

    Look, this would require us to watch patiently when Egypt overruns

    (quote of Wikipedia's list of countries with MB presence)

    Try again. You'll make yourself proud if you can provide a more intelligent comment.


    *Burp*
    You Guys (Germans) started it all, so you need to help clean it up.

    The idea came from John Rothmann after hearing him on a radio interview and reading about his book. Link to book review below.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_of_Evil

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