Hi Goesh,

Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
I said to myself when I saw the title of this Post. You aren't much for letting readers loaf, are you?
LOLOL You should hear what my students call me .

Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
One caveat to the paradigm of multiculturalism as a vehicle of social justice, change and adaptation may be seen in the larger culture's unwillingness to adapt core values of the lesser culture. In particular with Islam, there seems to be a general unwillingness to even attempt to understand its spiritual tenets let alone make any adoption of them. The adaptation we see is a matter of Law, man-made Law.
I think we are seeing a really interesting phenomena. Let me place this within Canada since a) I know it best and b) it is overtly "multi-cultural".

First, we have a general belief in "religious tolerance" that pre-dates most of the rest of the Anglo culture complex (1760 surrender of Quebec, reiterated in the 1774 Quebec Act). The interesting thing is that we have never said that we would adapt or absorb any core values of another religion, only that we would let them practice their beliefs as long as they did not interfere with any individuals choice of religion. Britain eventually adopted a similar position.

In effect, "man-made" law, at least in the matter of religious toleration, was sen as superior to any interpretation of "God's Law".

Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
The parameters of reciprocity are ill-defined in the multicultural model. We may see peripheal engagement and interaction at best, in short, acting the tourist in one's own land may account for much of 'multiculturalism', where we simply sample their food , music, attire and trinkets.
Sure, that encapsulates Canada's views on multiculturalism almost perfectly. We have taken an extremely Protestant position, est encapsulated in the words of Oliver Cromwell - "Brethren, I beseach ye in the name of Christ to consider that ye may be wrong". As the basis of social tolerance, I think this is a pretty good situation .

Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
History is replete with Deity adoption, adaptation and assumption by lesser cultures. Powerful Gods precede the powerful accoutriments of a culture, at least historically they have, giving the impetus for the lesser culture to accept and adjust to portions of the larger culture.
True but, again historically, we tend to find this in overtly polytheistic cultures mre than monotheistic ones. A friend of mine, Dr. Krishna Mohan Reddy has been looking into this in the context of Hindus integrating into other societies. When it comes to overtly monotheistic religions, the pattern tends to be different: some of the specifics of interpretation and practice may change but, overall, the core content stays the same.

Quote Originally Posted by goesh View Post
I am not seeing this dynamic with Islam in Western societies, not nearly as much as the multiculturalist proponents would want and purport, though at times they tout the occasional conversion to Islam as proof of the pudding. In short, their model is static because there is no dynamic interplay or core, spiritual values. The article touts Rushdie as turning point. Give me a break! This will consume too much of my time to go off in that direction......

LOLOL Yeah. I've worked with a number of Muslims over the years and, on the whole, have gotten on quite well with them. I must admit that, personally, I don't like the extreme multiculturalist position - it is too reminiscent of knee-jerk cultural relativism (and that's a long rant too ).

Marc