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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    A widely defined negative is impossible to prove, so it's impossible to prove that the mission was impossible.
    This means it's faulty to use this assertion as a cornerstone of a case.

    On the other hand, the burden of proof falls on the other party - but it's impossible to prove that the mission was possible.


    The disagreement is no fertile ground for a debate, as both parties are logically unable to prove even only their assumptions. This leaves a huge playing field for unfounded assertions, and basically no potential for a conclusive, decisive argument.


    It's much easier to argue that a political effort should be carried by political forces, not by military forces. It's hardly possible to make a conclusive case for the assumption that military forces should execute a political effort that cannot succeed by disarming the opposition alone.
    State Dept. 'lost' the Iraq occupation by not throwing its weight into the conflict.
    I will work in probabilities. How does a 1 in 1,725 chance of success based on the known socioeconomic factors in play in Iraq in 2004. So, yes, I can't prove an impossibility, I can assert that it was highly improbable.

    Long Time Coming: Prospects for Democracy in Iraq.

    In fact, there was almost no known factor in favor of democracy in Iraq. This quote is from a 2004 article:

    Iraq lacks any of the preconditions academics generally accept as being necessary for democratization to succeed. It has no middle class to speak of independent from the state; oil revenues, the life-line of any Iraqi regime, are notorious for their ability to centralize rather than democratize power; the country has no tradition of limited or responsible government; national identity is weak in the face of rival religious or ethnic loyalties; regional neighbors will do what they can to undermine whatever democratizing movements exist; and the democrats themselves lack a figure such as Nelson Mandela or Kim Dae Jung who could give them leadership.
    I think I am safe to make the assertion I will make.
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