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    Seems even Putin has a hard time with history?


    Bloomberg News

    Putin’s Crimea-as-Jerusalem Myth Baffles Russian Historians

    By Ilya Arkhipov and Stepan Kravchenko December 05, 2014

    President Vladimir Putin’s elevation of Crimea to the status of Russia’s Holy Land has prompted puzzlement and scorn from historians and commentators.

    Crimea for Russians is “like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem” for Muslims and Jews, Putin said, and would be regarded this way “from now on and forever.” Vladimir the Great was baptized in Chersonesus, Crimea, an event in 988 that’s considered to be the beginning of the Christianization of Kievan Rus, a precursor state to Russia and Ukraine, Putin explained in his annual address yesterday to parliament and top officials in Moscow.

    “Prince Vladimir was Kievan, not Muscovite, and this probably only underlines the right of Kiev and not Moscow to Crimea,” Andrei Zubov, a Russian historian and political scientist, said in an interview.

    Putin’s new Crimea myth added a religious aspect to Russia’s confrontation with the U.S. and the European Union after it annexed the peninsula from Ukraine in March. EU and U.S. sanctions have helped to push the Russian economy to the brink of recession as it wrestles with a 39 percent slump in the value of the ruble against the dollar this year and a one-third decline in the oil price. Russia depends on oil and gas revenue for about half of its federal budget.

    Historians argue over whether Vladimir was baptized in Vasilev, near Kiev, rather than Chersonesus, said Zubov, who lost his post at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations in March after he compared Putin’s takeover of Crimea to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s annexation of Austria in 1938.

    ‘Incorrect’ Comparison

    From a religious viewpoint, “Kiev is a much more important place for Russian Orthodox pilgrims than Crimea,” said Deacon Andrei Kuraev, a theologian and blogger. It’s “incorrect” to compare Crimea with the Temple Mount, the holiest place on Earth for Jews, he said.

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    Couple days ago there was small scale meeting in the centre of Moscow. Despite the size, it showed very well that Kremlin's methods have not changed. Once there was Surkov made youth movement Nashi. Group of Nashis established Stopham (Стопхам) movement. This is financed by Kremlin too. Now you can see Stopham movement faces under the name of "Antimaidan" organisation. Is it financed by Kremlin

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7bFCFwIIAA8cGs.jpg:large

    Visitors vith Russian language skills can read how this kind of shows are run from here.

    http://b0ltai.org/2015/01/15/934/
    Last edited by kaur; 01-17-2015 at 11:53 AM.

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    This month was established "Antimaidan" movement. Before last Russian presidential elections couple years ago was established "Antiorange" movement. Some of those guys (Dugin, Prohanov, Shevtchenko, Kurginjan) are actively involved in fight against Ukraine today. This site has been inactive almost 3 years now.

    http://www.anti-orange.ru

    Back then 1 communist blogger explained that Antiorange was Kremlin project. This is not hard to belive. Text is in Russian.

    http://ruscesar.livejournal.com/4588...thread=6675275
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    Yesterday there was Grikin's conference in Moscow. It starts with prayer.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TLWd9qbcI

    This is good illustration to Schindler's column.

    http://20committee.com/2014/12/27/pu...rthodox-jihad/

    Grikin's fresh comment how in Crimea things were forced by Russia.

    Have you actually been to Crimea during the referendum? Well, I have. I have been there since February the 20th. What you are describing here is absolute rubbish. There were no policemen who supported our side at that time. The only law-enforcement subdivision that has joined our ranks back then was the Berkut. The rest of the law-enforcement agencies remained under control of Ukrainian Ministry of Internal, and kept carrying out the MIA’s orders. Yes, sometimes they were sabotaging these orders, but all in all they were under Ukrainian control. I haven’t seen any support from official governmental representatives in Simferopol. Our troops had to force the deputies into the Oblast Council hall so that these representatives would vote in favor of our initiatives. I know this because I have been at the time commandeering one of such militant teams and I’ve seen it all from the inside. We had absolutely no support from the people, not to mention the army. The Ukrainian army units remained loyal to Kyiv as they were. Furthermore, most of the army remained that way. The only thing that made what we have accomplished in Crimea possible was the presence of Russian army.
    (Fragment of video in Russian):

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3250361/posts
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    That would fit perfectly my impression I gathered from various sources at that time. Obviously Russia enjoyed the sympathy of many, mostly among the eldery and Russian-speakers but without the Russian invasion the illusion of an uprising, not to speak about the annexation of the Crimea, would hardly have been possible in such form.
    ... "We need officers capable of following systematically the path of logical argument to its conclusion, with disciplined intellect, strong in character and nerve to execute what the intellect dictates"

    General Ludwig Beck (1880-1944);
    Speech at the Kriegsakademie, 1935

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    Interesting document from House of Lords
    http://www.publications.parliament.u.../115/11502.htm

    European Union Committee - Sixth Report
    The EU and Russia: before and beyond the crisis in Ukraine



    MEMBER STATES: LOSS OF ANALYTICAL CAPACITY

    56. Witnesses told us that Member States had lost analytical capacity on Russia. This, we judge, contributed to a concomitant decline in their ability to maintain oversight of the direction of the EU-Russia relationship and, in particular, to monitor the political implications of the Commission's trade and technical programmes.

    57. Mr Klaus recalled that there had been a historic asymmetry, whereby former communist countries "knew the West much more than you knew the East", and that this asymmetry remained.[74] His Excellency Dr Revaz Gachechiladze, Georgian Ambassador to the UK, also noted that there was "not a good understanding of Russia in the West".[75] Turning to recent events, Mr Lukyanov recalled that on the day of the Crimean referendum, when the question had already been announced, he continued to receive disbelieving calls from European diplomats saying: "'It cannot happen. It is just a bluff'." He warned us that with "this level of analysis, I am afraid that more surprises are to come, and not only from Russia."[76] Dr Casier agreed that there was a "huge need for more knowledge about the local situation both in Russia and in the Eastern Partnership countries." This was where "we have to build much stronger analytical capacity."[77] Dr Casier pointed out that President Yanukovych's decision not to sign the Association Agreement (AA) "had been the subject of speculation in the Ukrainian press long before he announced his decision, but took the EU by total surprise."[78]

    58. Mr Josef Janning, Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, noted that while there remained experienced diplomats in national capitals, there had been a shrinking of the "strategic space" within ministries of foreign affairs, in which to "go through the options and do analysis".[79]

    59. The Rt Hon David Lidington MP agreed that there was a gap in knowledge and analysis, and judged this to be a function of time and of "various assumptions" made about Russia during the Gorbachev and Yeltsin years. These meant that, by the beginning of 2014, "there were very few officials in any government department or agency, here or elsewhere, who had personal professional experience of working with the old Soviet Union before it collapsed."[80] During our informal discussions we were told that a similar situation prevailed in other Member States as well.
    Gawd, does European political class really works like that? "It can't be true because I don't believe it!"
    Your ruling classes urgently need Eliezer Yudkovsky as a political specialist, because he really nows how reality works: "There is only one reality that generates all of the observations".
    Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.

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    Interesting reading.

    What does the fascist conference in St. Petersburg tell us about contemporary Russia?

    http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.be...nce-in-st.html

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