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    Are sanctions working?---this tends to prove they are in fact hitting Russia hard--will they change Russia's stance---check the last sentence and one sees the economy will truly tank before Putin accepts "failure".

    From NYTs 17/9/2014

    MOSCOW — President Obama has warned Russia that “there will be costs” for its policies in Ukraine. European leaders and the head of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have done the same.

    On Tuesday, an influential figure in the Russian political elite and a longtime aide to President Vladimir V. Putin drove home this argument.

    European Union and American sanctions have pushed Russia to a tipping point between growth and recession, Aleksei L. Kudrin, a former finance minister, told an audience of Western executives at a conference in Moscow hosted by the American chamber of commerce. Mr. Kudrin then outlined, in unvarnished and detailed terms, what awaits Russia if a fragile cease-fire in the war in eastern Ukraine breaks down: possibily a contraction over 5 percent lasting one to two years.

    “The ceasefire is important for everybody, and for Russia most of all,” Mr. Kudrin said. “We should study these consequences, and avoid a worsening of the situation.”

    Already, Mr. Kudrin said, sanctions have trimmed about 1 percent from Russia’s $2 trillion gross domestic product this year, with the effects now being felt beyond the tight coterie of businessmen deemed close to President Putin who first felt the sting. Economic growth slowed to what Citigroup projects will be 0.5 percent this year. Since January, $110 billion has left Russia as capital flight.

    Aleksei L. Kudrin, a former finance chief for Russia, said sanctions have trimmed about 1 percent from Russia’s $2 trillion gross domestic product this year. Credit Olga Maltseva/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

    Faint consumer demand caused car and other durable goods sales to contract. Rosneft, the state oil company has asked for a government bailout. Yevraziya, a chain of sushi restaurants, closed in Moscow after the price of salmon doubled.

    Bob Foresman, the chief executive of Barclays bank in Russia, in a speech to the gathering cited a survey of businessmen’s views on the Russian economy, highlighting phrases like “fatigue,” “caution,” “false hope” and “false dawn.”

    In Ukraine this week, Separatist gunmen and the Ukrainian army are exchanging artillery fire daily over military objectives like a regional airport and a strategic village, Debaltsevo, northeast of Donetsk, where Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe observers came under fire Sunday.

    If European leaders decide the cease-fire has failed, they have vowed to leave in place financial and oil industry sanctions imposed last week, rather than repeal them. That, Mr. Kudrin said, would stall the Russian economy with zero growth in 2015, or push it into a mild recession.

    If the European Union and United States escalate sanctions on the banking sector by prohibiting Russian banks from accessing SWIFT, the international secure money transfer system, the Russian economy will go into deep recession with a contraction of at least 5 percent lasting one or two years, Mr. Kudrin said.

    Turning inward and relying on a revival of domestic manufacturing and agriculture helped by the weakening ruble, the plan to fortify the Russian economy of so-called import substitution outlined by an acting deputy prime minister who also spoke at the gathering, is unrealistic, Mr. Kudrin suggested.

    Soft-spoken and with a wry sense of humor, Mr. Kudrin seems at times to almost take pleasure in pointing out the dismal realities of the global economy, when nobody else here will.

    Europe and the United States, the governments imposing sanctions on Russia, spend about $1.5 trillion on research and development annually, while Russia spends $20 billion, he noted. As such, Russia can never hope to replicate a wide range of these nations’ imported goods. The Russian government should designate only select niches of the economy for this policy, he said.

    The Russian leadership, he said, understands the costs but may be willing to pay them. Earlier, he described the economic blow as the price for Russia having a foreign policy independent of the United States.

    “At a minimum, two or three years are needed to resolve the questions,” of the Ukraine crisis, he said, even if no escalation takes place.

    “Until then, we won’t know what investment climate we have and the final state of our relations with the West,” he added, and the Russian economy will be in a “period of instability.”

    Mr. Kudrin, whose ties to Mr. Putin stretch back two decades to the city hall of St. Petersburg, where both worked, is retired from government. His is a rare public voice of a liberal wing of the Russian elite on the mounting economic costs of the war and sanctions. Kremlin watchers, though, are divided on whether such sentiments carry any weight now with Mr. Putin.

    One attendee at the conference questioned whether the Kremlin, already hurt by sanctions, sees no point in changing its behavior in Ukraine, citing Winston Churchill saying “If you’re going through hell keep going.”

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    Chart depicting the anticipated fall rate of the Rubel out to 2017/2018--and the Russian CB cannot do anything to stop it---might help in the end for exports but Russia does not export tons of manufactured quality products outside of oil and gas.

    http://t.co/amjn6bHA7C

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    The question is whether the economic oligarchs, both licit and illicit, have sufficient influence to persuade Putin to change course. Not sure anyone knows the answer to that question... we'll find out.
    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayuhan View Post
    The question is whether the economic oligarchs, both licit and illicit, have sufficient influence to persuade Putin to change course. Not sure anyone knows the answer to that question... we'll find out.
    Dayuhan--arrest a major oligarch who many say did his business by the book and letter of Russian law after Yukos---his company takes a 27% loss on it's stock and this is the Russian governments response.

    Today from Interfax:

    09:07
    PESKOV: WE ACKNOWLEDGE POSSIBILITY OF EMOTIONAL MARKET REACTION TO YEVTUSHENKOV'S SITUATION BUT THIS IS NOT REASON TO HINDER INVESTIGATIVE PROCEDURES

    That "emotional market reaction" was a total of 27.3% loss in stock value in a single day on a company estimated before the arrest of 8.9B USD.

    Does any current Russian government official including Putin "understand" the law of the markets and basic economics 101?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Dayuhan--arrest a major oligarch who many say did his business by the book and letter of Russian law after Yukos---his company takes a 27% loss on it's stock and this is the Russian governments response.

    Today from Interfax:

    09:07
    PESKOV: WE ACKNOWLEDGE POSSIBILITY OF EMOTIONAL MARKET REACTION TO YEVTUSHENKOV'S SITUATION BUT THIS IS NOT REASON TO HINDER INVESTIGATIVE PROCEDURES

    That "emotional market reaction" was a total of 27.3% loss in stock value in a single day on a company estimated before the arrest of 8.9B USD.

    Does any current Russian government official including Putin "understand" the law of the markets and basic economics 101?
    Now down to 33% by 1330 today---that means roughly 3B USD of wiped out shareholder values--and the Russians really understand economics?

    Evtushenkov’s investment company, AFK Sistema, dropped 33 percent to 24.558 rubles as of 1:39 p.m. in Moscow.

    “This is the new Yukos,” Vadim Bit-Avragim, who helps oversee about $4.1 billion in assets at Kapital Asset Management LLC in Moscow, said by e-mail. “The economy is doing poorly, sanctions have been imposed, and all there’s left to do is to seize tidbits that are left in the country.”

    Evtushenkov has a fortune estimated at about $7 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, making him Russia’s 19th richest person. Moscow’s Micex Index dropped 2.2 percent today as investors deemed the arrest as a sign of political instability in the world’s biggest energy exporter.

    “This directly hits the investment climate,” Vladimir Tsuprov, the St. Petersburg-based chief investment officer of TKB BNP Paribas, said by e-mail. “Many investors saw geopolitical risks and Ukraine as the main problem, underestimating the internal situation.”
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    Russian humor:

    Russians joke over latest currency slide by renaming 50 Rb note "One Euro"
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    Dayuhan---notice in this article the particular refrence by Gazprom of sinking nautral gas reserves---yes they are playing with the delivery numbers due to the Ukraine--bot on the back side not delivering in the face of sanctions hurts the Russian cash flow when they need dollars--so something is more ongoing than politics.

    Look at the estimated figures up through 2017---the gas volumes are actually sinking strongly.

    Having come fro an oil background and having worked the oil/gas fields when one was young--there is a direct relationship to oil production and gas production especially in joint fields---where there is oil is always gas to be found.

    There have been strong net rumors of sinking oil production also mentioning 2017--here is your prove and it is from Yahoo of the mentioning of sinking oil reserves.

    Remember I did indicate by 2020 massive oil prodution losses as compared to now and you questioned the comment since it came from the web.


    Gazprom says unable to meet rising gas demand from Europe for now
    Reuters

    19 hours ago

    * Gazprom says adheres to supply contracts with Europe

    Gazprom Said to Face Biggest Decline in EU Revenue in 5 Years Bloomberg
    ( A side article really worth reading if you find it)
    Gazprom's Q1 earnings hurt by Ukraine, exports outlook worsened Reuters
    (Second intetesting artile worth reading)

    By Alexei Anishchuk

    MOSCOW, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Russia's Gazprom said on Wednesday it is unable to meet rising gas demand from Europe while it builds up stockpiles ahead of winter, undermining the ability of Europe to supply Ukraine with gas.

    Slovakia, Poland, Romania and Austria have all reported slight falls in shipments in recent days from Russia, which is embroiled in a row with the European Union over the crisis in Ukraine.

    Some countries in eastern Europe send gas to Ukraine, to which Russia stopped gas flows in June over a pricing dispute.

    Gazprom's Chief Executive Officer Alexei Miller told Russian President Vladimir Putin that the company is pumping gas in accordance with contracts with European consumers, but was not supplying extra volumes asked for.

    "Gazprom is carrying out stable daily supplies to European consumers. We fully adhere to our contractual obligations," Miller said in a meeting at the Kremlin attended by reporters.

    "Once gas is collected in our underground storage, then we will be able to satisfy the (extra) demand of our European consumers," he said.

    EU industry experts and European Commission officials held the latest in a series of meetings on Tuesday to assess the security of the EU's energy supplies.

    EU sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the issue of how much gas Gazprom was supplying to the European Union had been raised and that EU officials had said Gazprom had been adjusting volumes but within contractual limits.

    The European Commission has repeatedly said that storage levels are comfortable for now, but they are concerned about the longer term.


    CHINA TALKS

    Miller said Gazprom will produce 463 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas this year, which is down from a previous estimate of 496.4 bcm published in May and 487.4 bcm pumped in 2013.

    He also reiterated that Gazprom had been in talks with China on supplying gas on top of the previously agreed 38 bcm per year after 2019 via a so-called Western route.

    Russia set its sights on energy-hungry Asian markets a decade ago and struck a landmark deal with China in May to supply it with gas from Russia's east Siberian fields.

    Gazprom's previous discussions on delivering additional gas to China via the Western route have met with a lukewarm response from Beijing.

    Miller told Putin that Gazprom and China have been discussing an increase in supply volumes via the route by up to 100 bcm per year, an ambitious task given a decline in the company's production levels and China's tough stance in the negotiation process.

    Gazprom's chief added that the company would be able to satisfy gas demand both in Asia and in Europe

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    The Russian Economy: Can Growth be Restored within the Economic System? by Susanne Oxenstierna, hosted on the FOI of Sweden is well worth a read. Roughly forty pages.

    A bit of it's conclusions...

    Market forces play only a limited role in the Russian economy and to improve the prospects for growth with ‘western’ economic policy or to improve the institutional framework will be difficult and have a limited effect. Only parts of the economy profit from market reforms and stronger institutions. The old rent dependent sector has strong political support. It follows that more substantial political reforms are needed to solve the structural impediments and efficiency problems of the Russian economy. Society needs to become more democratic and more transparent

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    Today the Russian society is polarised on many political and economic issues, but civil society is weak and restricted and cannot fulfil its function either as watchdog or as a channel of ideas and entrepreneurship. Without political reform and a market-oriented democratic government it is difficult to see how the performance of the economy could improve.
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