The Russian economy (catch all)

[davidbfpo]

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[mirhond]

And that's incorrect on your statement it affects chicken which is considered a basic staple. All fishing products from shrimp, tuna, crab, and lobster. Tuna at least is pretty common on shelves in supermarkets. It affects fruits such as apples from Poland. It affects vegetables which are once again big imports from eastern europe.

I suppose you think the russian side of the embargo only includes fine cheeses from France? Well that would be incorrect. But I'd like to hear you define why basic things like fruits and veggies are not considered staples? Grains? Fish? Chicken? Beef?

1. I fail to found exported chicken in Aushan or any other chain stores with reasonable prices.
2. You consider shrimp, crab, and lobster a "basic staple"? Gawd, You leave in a fairy kingdom, may be? This food is fu(king expensive, two-three time more expensive than ordinary beef, as expensive as fine veal.
3. Fruits and vegies vary greatly, from the cheapest Russian to the most expensive European, glorious Polish apples lie somewhere in the middle.
4. Fish - well, I'll miss Norwegian salmon. Beef/pork - there are some exported, two-three times more expensive than Russian.
5. Grain - Russia actually exports wheat, but imports durum wheat, but I prefer rye-bread, so I'll not suffer without macaroni and wheat-bread(assuming that at least part of it is made of exported wheat).

upd. I'll not miss Norwegian salmon - just bought 2 kilos of Karelian trout
Here is a pic of sanctioned grub I found in my fridge


conclusion: I'll not starve because of sanctions.

[Firn]

"Ich habe Putin zu Sanktionen geraten"

I actually remember that German guy from a interview a couple of years ago. Already then he was one of the biggest producers of milk in Russia and moving into different areas. The company website offers some basic information.

DIE ZEIT: Herr Duerr, der russische Praesident Wladimir Putin hat ein Importverbot gegen westliche Lebensmittel verhngt. Hat Sie das ueberrascht?

Stefan Duerr: Nein, in Russland haben alle darauf gewartet, dass die Regierung mit Gegenmanahmen auf die Sanktionen der EU und der USA antwortet. berrascht hat mich das nicht. Einen Tag vor dem verkuendeten Importstopp sass ich sogar noch mit dem Praesidenten zusammen, und er hat mit mir auch ueber die Krise gesprochen.

He came across as quite humble and insightful and I guess the question of the interviewer let to that 'I talked to the president before' answer. There is little doubt that his and other companies will greatly profit from sanctions. Russia has certainly lots of potentials in agriculture but one can not just turn a switch and become close to selfsufficiency. It will be rather interesting to see to which degree prices will rise and supply contract in the coming weeks and months.

[mirhond]

For now, Russia imported billions worth of meat. First month it will be of little effect.

All this meat cost two-three time more expensive then Russian,

I certainly consider shrimp such, and crab. Both are actually found rather cheap in the US, EU, Australia, Mexico, Canada, Brazil, and South Africa. Only certain crab breeds are expensive. Why isn't it true for Russia?

Actually, I found shrimps in Aushan, none of it were from EU/USA, Argentinian mostly, 16-30$ per kilo.

They will vary a lot less soon for yes some are pricier than others, but it doesn't matter. If you cut out a low cost or an expensive supplier than means your supply is lower. Even .05 cent veggies will go up. Every penny is just one less in the middle and poor's pockets.

That's true, as well as trivial.

Russia is not self sufficient in beef. Cattle was being exported en masse to Russia because it was trying to become beef self sufficient. Most of these imported cattle were from the US. It wasn't there yet, supply is now down, beef will go up. Once more, never said beefless, I said cost. Even as far back as 2012 Russia was still importing a lot of beef:

May be, I've never intentionally looked for exported beef in any shop, for obvious reason.

What you prefer, and what other people eat especially poor are an entirely different thing. Russian wheat imports were not the most impressive but any product removed is an alternative no longer there. Russia still imported most of its lentils, peas, beans, soy, and other low cost food items.

OK, next time I'll do some research of the canned food prices in the closest retail shop for working class.

Cost, cost, cost. Extra spending cash was already low in Russia's middle class, this will just consume more of it. Russia only punished its middle class and poor. The more trouble they get into the more they turn to the state, the more the state has to spend to make certain they eat the more it will cost for them.
Anecdotal pictures of food I don't care about. I want data that suggests Russia didn't import more than 30% of its food. Show me that.

I have no such data, I just enjoy common sence which allows me to to fill my food basket with variety of unsanctioned grub for a reasonable price.
God bless you, innocent child, cherish your anecdotal beliefs, while middle class and poor out there are making themselves ready for food rationing, gravely serious.

[Nyxilis]

I have no such data, I just enjoy common sence which allows me to to fill my food basket with variety of unsanctioned grub for a reasonable price.
God bless you, innocent child, cherish your anecdotal beliefs, while middle class and poor out there are making themselves ready for food rationing, gravely serious.

It's not ancedotal, you just do not have any idea of trade. Even the US can't just switch it's primary imports of form one country to the other even if the other has the supplies. It takes months if not years to build the infrastructure, establish routes, line up trade companies, and get the government red tape approved. You and 'common sense' do not change what is well established and even taught in Russian schools about trade.

And I bet you it's still affordable, you have warehouses still full of stuff that was in the pipeline. Factories for apple juice still have polish apples sitting waiting to be juiced. They will not next month.

Russia's own government websites put food imports from the countries it banned as high. So, tell me how you expect Russia to avoid increases in the months it takes to negotiate and establish with others in the mean time when Russia has not now or ever been 100% independent on trade? Why Russia is magically immune to cost increases when supply influences cost. Russia just cut a large source of the supplies?

These are facts of trade. If the US banned Mexican strawberries it could get them from Brazil, cost would still suffer within a month and beyond. This isn't about nationalistic nonsense.

[OUTLAW 09]

"I have no such data, I just enjoy common sence which allows me to to fill my food basket with variety of unsanctioned grub for a reasonable price.
God bless you, innocent child, cherish your anecdotal beliefs, while middle class and poor out there are making themselves ready for food rationing, gravely serious."

BUT:

At least the Russians did not ban oranges and bananas and lifted the serious mistake of theirs when they banned even grain seeds for next years plantings which all comes from the West.

Appears Russians after all these years still does not get globalized trading---maybe because they are still hung up on state owned businesses for their oligarchs.

Will be extremely interesting to see what is left on the shelves at Christmas and how much they are paying even for Russian substitutes.

[mirhond]

And I bet you it's still affordable, you have warehouses still full of stuff that was in the pipeline. Factories for apple juice still have polish apples sitting waiting to be juiced. They will not next month.

Thank you K.O., it's very true.

So, tell me how you expect Russia to avoid increases in the months it takes to negotiate and establish with others in the mean time when Russia has not now or ever been 100% independent on trade? Why Russia is magically immune to cost increases when supply influences cost.

Straw Man Fallacy.
Cite my post where I wrote anything like this.

These are facts of trade. If the US banned Mexican strawberries it could get them from Brazil, cost would still suffer within a month and beyond.

Thank you K.O., for stating the obvious again.

[kaur]

Russian business daily Vedomosti published today article about Russia's food sanctions. Tis graphic is in Russian, but you do understand the point. First column is country, second is amount in millions of tonns and third is percent of whole import.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/img/newsline..._news_pic1.png