Iraq: Out of the desert into Mosul (closed)

[JWing]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Baghdad.html

Interview conducted in Erbil---and who controls Erbil?

From a source that's close to the insurgency the Islamic Army has been dead on the ground and only alive on the internet for the last two years while this guy has been sitting around collecting checks from wealthy Gulf donors.

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From a source that's close to the insurgency the Islamic Army has been dead on the ground and only alive on the internet for the last two years while this guy has been sitting around collecting checks from wealthy Gulf donors.

JWing---that is what I would have said although the net has little to nothing from them outside of older meaning up to 2011 with the main one being the 65 minute victory video--- even al Duri's group went quiet. Mentioned was the working with the Sunni demos in the last of 2013 up to the Iraqi Army attack on their protest camps which would mean even if 50% correct the Sunni insurgents minus ISIS had been working the tribal card far earlier than is being reported.

Again if the reporting from an recent interview with one of the really leading Sunni tribes which was pro US is correct--he voiced literally the same message as Dabash-independent of each other and where thy interviews were given-which indicates to me there has been an ongoing discussion.

Secondly---we got Dabash who we thought was AQI (but then we was released as was al Baghdadi by the Iaqi's) but not the rest of the inner circle of IAI and if one looks closely at reports coming out of Mosul--- tanks and helicopters were flown and or driven---not many of the current ISIS fighters are tank or copter qualified which points to former Iraqi military members.

Then if the figure is correct of 1000 fighters with several hundred peeling off and heading towards Baghdad then where are the rest coming from that is holding on and fighting against the Iraqi army/Shia militia in areas initially taken. ISIS doe not have that high of a foreign fighter flow in order to support multiple fighting fronts.

Then in the interview is something that only those in the inner planning circle fully understand and which the US Army never got in Iraq---when one area is under pressure then open up a new offensive in another totally different direction and then move the offensive around the battle space---we chased our tails like this forever from 2005 thru to 2007.

If one takes the interview as correct then in fact Mosul was a relief offensive to assist those in Anbar.

Appears to me someone does not like Dabash living well in Erbil---again the question if he was such a former AQI/IAI member then why is he being tolerated by the Kurds who might be a tad mad about the past due to AQI attacks on the Kurds/Peshmerger in Muqdadiyah and the surrounding areas in Diyala.

Just my opinion.

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From a source that's close to the insurgency the Islamic Army has been dead on the ground and only alive on the internet for the last two years while this guy has been sitting around collecting checks from wealthy Gulf donors.

JWing---this is the current problem when we speak or others speak about the Sunni insurgency and or ISIS. This individual who is "close" to the insurgency is not nor was evidently close enough to Dabash and the IAI inner circle to understand that he was the main money funneler to both IAI and al Tahwid starting in 2002 with monies flowing from Qatar and Bahrain which is still flowing through him which makes him quasi still the go to guy in this business.

He picked right back up when he came out of prison so I am not sure why someone is jealous of his collecting checks when those checks make him important and he funnels them onwards instead of pocketing them as does Malaki on the other side. Evidently Qatar and Bahrain seem to still trust him after 12 years and US prison in between.

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If the reporting is correct that the ISIS and the Sunni insurgency is moving in a mobile fashion ---meaning taking towns and then forcing the Iraqi Army to respond then disappearing and then coming back---this is similar to Ghanis Khan style swarming attacks on horse while the ISIS and it's allies are using utilities and American 114s.

If then as reported this morning in Berlin the US is set to unleash a bombing campaign then in fact it will be openly perceived by the Iraqi Sunni's and Sunni tribes as aimed at them thus undermining any voice the US will use in the coming weeks to get them to moderate and pull back. I am not so sure we can tell from a Reaper and or F18/F16 from 4K feet the difference between a 114 driven by angry Sunni insurgents or from the angry Sunni tribes who have been brutalized/systematically killed by Malaki's security forces since 2012 from ISIS driven vehicles especially if they are not flying the black battle flags.

If I remember correctly US foreign policy basically has been since the Sunni killing spree by Malaki's security forces started in 2012-and the protest camps were destroyed in 2013--silence was heard out of Washington---abject silence.

It has be now decided by the Sunni tribes to include those that helped the US that the US speaks with a "forked tongue" something US Indian tribes said a long while ago. When any thing we say is totally false in the end.

If one remembers it was only when the US received assistance from the Sunni tribes (it was not through US military power alone that reigned them in) that AQI was reigned in so how is now the US going to convince the Sunni tribes to change sides and with what promises (what again promises of an inclusive governance?) especially since it was announced today the US is going ahead with the bombing campaign because the Iraqi government cannot institute the necessary governance changes in time.

So again the US foreign policy simply does not get it.

Seems the DoS is screaming the Iraqi Army is in full rout and bombing must start soon.

Again Malaki is playing the US as he will never give up his power position---we have fallen repeatedly for this line of argument from him since 2005, again in 2010 and now--- and when we have the single thing he wants most to save his power position ie airpower then it can and should have been used to achieve political compromises on the ground immediately--was that not what Obama talked about at West Point as the heart of his new FP---meaning there must be something in it for the US to act outside of it's interests?

Remember what retired General P stated recently---"we are not the Shia Air Force"', and that will be the actual perception by Sunnis if we start bombing regardless if we never hit a single Sunni civilian which is virtually impossible to prevent.

It does not bode well for the Iraq entire population as a whole, nor future US foreign policy as it makes us look like we absolutely do not understand the game of foreign policy and besides "who" would "trust" us again on the things we "promise or say"?---the was the same message recently repeated by the Polish FM in a secret recorded conversation.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-special-for...045033796.html

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A provocative question---is there in fact now in both the Sunni triangle and in the Kurdish region a truly new reality on the ground and Iraq has been effectively divided into three regions nullifying the borders drawn by Sykes -Picot?


http://news.yahoo.com/kurdish-leader...-politics.html

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Here is the answer to the demands in the US to drop bombs on something and or somebody---Iran transferred 88 former Iraqi fighter bombers back to Iraq equipped and ready to drop bombs---question is who will be flying them Iranian pilots and or Iraqi pilots?

If Iranian will the Sunni tribes together with ISIS view this as an Iranian invasion and strike when and where possible against Iranian targets?

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/ir...r-planes-iraq/

[TheCurmudgeon]

CNN interview with President Barzani - "Iraq is falling apart anyway ..."

Kerry met with Iraqi Kurdish President Massoud Barzani shortly after his arrival.

"We are facing a new reality and a new Iraq," Barzani said as the two men sat down.

In an exclusive interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, Barzani said "Iraq is obviously falling apart."

"And it's obvious that the federal or central government has lost control over everything," Barzani said Monday. "Everything is collapsing -- the army, the troops, the police."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/world/meast/iraq-crisis/

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This bombing was blamed on the AQI and AQI claimed it but was it really AQI--- and it led to the massive follow on ethnic cleansing attacks by Shia militia on Sunni's and vice versa.

So was Casey correct---he was the MNF-I Commander then so maybe he might have had other intel reporting---cannot track down the original source of the reporting on the Casey comments though so maybe just RUMINT.

http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-pol...f-imam-askari/

[JMA]

Do yank kids learn this? :



Iraq ia broken. It can only be fixed - if by fixed means maintaining a unitary state - by the three parties: Shia, Sunni and Kurd. If they want it (or need it) they will find a way to do it.

ISIS is the problem for the West - especially the foreigh fighters - and the potential use of Sunni dominated areas of Iraq being used as a springboard for international terrorism.

CNN interview with President Barzani - "Iraq is falling apart anyway ..."



http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/24/world/meast/iraq-crisis/

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Do yank kids learn this? :



Iraq ia broken. It can only be fixed - if by fixed means maintaining a unitary state - by the three parties: Shia, Sunni and Kurd. If they want it (or need it) they will find a way to do it.

ISIS is the problem for the West - especially the foreigh fighters - and the potential use of Sunni dominated areas of Iraq being used as a springboard for international terrorism.

JMA--here are the Kurdish demands on the Malaki government in order for them to participate which the Sunni's mirror to a degree. 1)implement the Constitution changes giving the Kurds everything they view as Kurdish which is also portions of the current Sunni triangle, 2) oil revenue sharing and a 3) power sharing scheme.

Do not see Malaki giving in to them as he then loses then his Shia constituents especially on the revenue sharing side/granting more Iraqi territory to the Kurds, and I do not think the Shia militias are going to be prone to power share as well.

This is headed to a long term fight and a short term split up.