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    Default "Fireforce" by Chris Cocks

    One of the best primary sources I've read on the Rhodesian Light Infantry. This book is worth reading and rereading. I thought it was particularly interesting how all their vehciles were designed to survive mine explosions, and this was back in 1979.

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    Default Fireforce...Concur wholeheartedly

    That was where I was going to share the op order with sgmgrumpy. Great book.

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    Default It's him

    It is him! I have 2 books by him and I compared author photos to his Bio picture. I just cannot believe this. Without boring you of the details I had been to many Army sources with no help at all, so I told it to the Marines and it worked out great. I actually ended up getting a copy of a declassified OSS training film from some connections he gave me. Anyway I guess we should do the PM thing so as not to disrupt the discussion. Thanks so much for your help.

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    Thumbs up Good Info

    Thanks for all the help.

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    Default Materials in the mail

    I sent the docs off to you sgmgrumpy. For the fireforce material, I am working on getting them into a .pdf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arty8 View Post
    One of the best primary sources I've read on the Rhodesian Light Infantry. This book is worth reading and rereading. I thought it was particularly interesting how all their vehciles were designed to survive mine explosions, and this was back in 1979.


    Chris Cocks also wrote another book called "Survival Course" that details his time as a reservist the PATU - Police Anti Terrorist Unit. It's another very good read.

    I actually met Chris at a book signing in Pietermaritzburg South Africa and he is truly a gentleman

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    Default Rhodesian lessons for Afghanistan?

    The UK comment blogsite: http://defenceoftherealm.blogspot.com has an article today on the UK's military role in Afghanistan and cites the lessons learnt by Rhodesia. Refers to a RAND report from 1991, which I'd not seen before, although my interest in that COIN war abated many years ago: http://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/2005/R3998.pdf . The authors include Bruce Hoffman (who I respect as an analyst).

    I am sure Jon Custis will comment (if he can).

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    Default Continent Ablaze

    Apart from the books already mentioned I've found Continent Ablaze: The insurgency wars in Africa 1960 to the present by John W. Turner to be pretty useful as a first port of call. There's a chapter on Rhodesia and then some of the nearby similar actions (Mozambique, Southern Africa etc).

    There's also a fascinating thread over at militaryphotos.net that has a range of personal accounts/images (intersperesed with the normal train spotters) to help visualise the whole thing

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=134312

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    Default Peter Godwin on COIN

    Just in case the SWJ item is lost for Rhodesia observers and from a BSAP viewpoint by a journalist: http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/jou...306-noonan.pdf

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    Important point from the paper about the balance of terror and how to handle it. Hadn't seen the paper thanks for posting davidbfpo.


    Because on a balance of terror, they will always tend to win. We arrest people and put them in jail, the insurgents take much more ferocious action. It's the western paradox, but also it’s inherent in asymmetrical conflict. If you are going to lose in the balance of terror, then you have to be able to promise protection in return for support
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 10-21-2009 at 02:28 PM. Reason: Replace bold with quote marks

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    Default Yep and my Mom always told me

    NEVER to promise anything I couldn't deliver...

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