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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPride View Post
    Given your relentless 'coverage' of Putin's information campaign, I would have thought by now that you'd understand that repeating a falsehood incessantly does not make that falsehood true.

    For example - here is my opinion on why focusing on the Russian stock market is problematic. By the way - how has the European market fared with the most recent sanctions?

    Here's my opinion on the cause of the crisis. And my view on a viable political outcome. And my opinion on Russia's foreign policy drivers. And this page contains this post, another post, and this third one describing my views on Russia's intentions. And buried somewhere in these 99 pages are several posts in which I describe a possible political outcome to resolve Ukraine's political and economic crisis.





    So your solutions it to plunge a nuclear power into economic chaos? Do you remember all the security concerns about loose nukes and rogue scientists selling their wares the last time Russia experienced an economic calamity? You know - with senior U.S. officials roaming the former Soviet Union inspecting WMD sites only to find stuff missing. Russia's control over its nuclear arsenal (and other WMD) is far weaker than many people realize and I do not think it's a useful policy to test the limits of that control under the conditions you wish to impose.

    I am starting to suspect that your position is less concerned with Ukraine's territorial integrity and more with punishing Russia for diverting from your perception that it ought to stay within the nice political and moral lines you have drawn for it.
    AP---see again you assume you know the former SU---are you actually proposing that Russia has not been actually in economic tumult since 1994---I would argue they never have come out of it especially since their economy has never moved past a state owned/run capitalist/corporate concept which never did die out.

    Secondly have you again looked out the window and seen the "peacekeeping troops" parked within three kms from the Ukrainian border which first started out to be 4K and now is over 21K and you then tell me you think you are seeing a "friendly neighbor" who just "wants" to help---come on AP.

    You are seeing a rouge state that once it goes down a particular path is incapable of pulling back in the face of reality.

    We use to call that nationalism but that ell out of favor in the 70s.

    Again AP outside of two raw resources and nuclear weapons what does Russia really offer the West outside of a hard time these days?

    This is how crazy Russia is internally--the Office of Transportation threatened to deny western airlines the overflight rights across Russia to Asia WITHOUT understanding that Areoflot gets money for those flights and just the rumor of the cancellation sent Areoflot shares down 8% and then opens the Russian airlines to be denied any overflight rights basically parking all their aircraft on the ground.

    Now AP does that sound like a sane government to you or a government out of control internally?

    So again the question AP outside of oil and gas and that oil is slowly diminishing by 2020 what does Russia really offer the global market and the rest of the world?

    Again AP you make countless comments--what would you personally suggest to Putin is his exit ramp?

    Basically it sounds like you would simply give the entire Ukraine to him, and declare his arguments to be correct and heck why not give back the Baltics, the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Poland as well as that is what his view of Russian nationalism is all about.---the recreation of the Soviet Empire as defined by Russian nationalists.

    Come on AP post you suggestions to Putin---you know mine let's see yours?

    Forgot---here is an article written about what Russia produces---author is heavy on the M17 helicopter thing but he forgot that the Russian M17s and most of their helicopters fly with Ukrainian engines.


    We don’t think the president really meant it when he said the Russians don’t make anything. But we still came up with a few items—including those Mi-17 helicopters the Pentagon bought.During an interview this month with The Economist, President Obama made what seemed like an offhanded comment when asked about recent tensions with the Russian government over Ukraine and the failure of his administration’s “reset.”“Russia doesn’t make anything,” the president said. “Immigrants aren’t rushing to Moscow in search of opportunity…And so we have to respond with resolve in what are effectively regional challenges that Russia presents.”That comment is in line with previous Obama statements seeking to diminish the threat that Russia poses to the United States. “Russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors—not out of strength but out of weakness,” he said at a March press conference.Of course, the president wasn’t really saying the Russians make and export nothing; that’s obviously not true, though Russia’s manufacturing sector isn’t all that competitive internationally and is generally geared toward domestic consumption.But if only for the sake of adding to our general knowledge, here are a few things Russia does make and export:*Semi-finished iron *Diamonds *Chemical fertilizers *Sawn wood *Copper wire *Radioactive chemicalsHere’s something else Russia makes that Obama should be aware of: the dozens of Russian Mi-17 helicopters that the Pentagon bought for Afghanistan’s security forces, at a price of more than $1 billion. - See more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/article....86gohELw.dpuf
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