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    Kaur,

    From your quotes, the majority of ethnic Russians in Ukraine supported some form of separatism. So - the Ukrainians who have a disincentive to legitimize separatist sentiments and the Russians who have an incentive to legitimize those same sentiments attempted to play down/up the support for that cause. No surprise there.

    Where I disagree with you is that Moscow attempted the same strategy in eastern Ukraine that it did in Crimea. When the Crimea referendum passed (legitimate or not), in a matter of days Russia formalized it and annexed the region. When the Donetsk referendum passed with the same exact platform as the Crimean one, Moscow deferred and was in fact mostly silent about the results. If Russia is in direct control of the separatists, why would Russia embarress itself by hosting a referendum for annexation only to turn it down publicly and damage its credibility with the insurgents?

    I don't think Russia wants to physically govern eastern Ukraine. Instead, I think they want to de-center Kiev's political power and disrupt the new government's ability to actually govern. Destablizing Ukraine weakens its opposition to Russia's aims and makes it more unlikely for NATO members to welcome the country into the alliance.
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    AmericanPride, Eastern Ukrainians lost their "feet" after Yanukovich Party of regions lost their position. If you follow my text, then they you see that they don't support also joining Russia. Then there must be third solution to their problems.

    I didn't say the same strategy like in Crimea. I said that the new ambition was purely too big piece to use exactly the same methods and means. If you follow Russia's problems in Crimea, then you can see that exactly same model is hard to use. There may not be resources.

    Donetsk referendum. They didn't back up the referendum by Kremlin statements, but they provided PR specialists, weapons, cossacks, money etc. At that moment for example even EU started to move his feet. Threat of sanctions was connected with for example not spoiling presidential elections in the end of May.

    I agree with you last points about Russia's aims. This is minimum program for them.

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