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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    This FT article is behind a registration 'wall', which allows limited access:


    It ends citing Nigel Inkster, of IISS, ex-SIS (MI6):


    Link:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f28913f6-1...#axzz3AMNKyZaz
    David---interesting in that it confirms something I passed onto Dave Maxwell referencing the military reset of Ukrainian military doctrine focusing more on Ukrainian SF and guerilla warfare being exercised now by these units.

    1. there was a small blog comment mentioned once last week of a guerrilla unit in Donetsk killing over 30 mercenaries in random ambushes forcing the mercenaries to always move in groups. Never talked about since.

    2. Monday another small blog comment indicating another 60 killed mercenaries from a "local defense group" inside Donetsk.

    3. the separatist announcement/denials then Russian media announcements of the serious wounding of two of their major Russian mercenaries---a Ukrainian announcement mentioned that one had bee shot by a Ukrainian Seal team.

    4. Ukrainian SBU announced on Monday that during a raid on what seemed a normal irregular checkpoint killing all at the checkpoint turned out to be a raid killing an entire Russian Army SF team.
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    There seems to be a very focused attempt by the Ukrainian special operations (Alpha, former Alpha, Ukrainian SF and Airborne) to identify Russian SF types-- then raid and kill them--seems capture is not in the picture on these raids.

    Seems the Russian losses in the GRU/SF area is climbing the longer the fighting goes on.
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    The Dutch blogger who has been doing some great open source analysis posted an analysis of the Russian military firing heavy artillery into the Ukraine and geo located a number of points.

    Although Russia claims "it ain't me"---it is those crazy Ukrainians who cannot shot straight.

    http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/
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    Same Dutch blogger posted a link to high resolution photos taken by a Russian military UAV as it surveyed the Ukrainian humanitarian aid convoy on the go.

    This is the first release I have seen of the capability of this particular Russian military UAV.

    djp3tros @djp3tros

    This is how #Russia uses UAV: Highres photo taken of #Ukraine convoy with ТОЧКА-У http://i65.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0814/...7cd.jpg?noht=1
    https://twitter.com/MilitaryMaps/sta...520832/photo/1
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    Ukrainian Army captures small Russian lightweight secure satcom system Р-438М normally used by GRU recon/sabotage units and the Russian SF.

    http://inforesist.org/rf-perepravlya...ikovoj-svyazi/

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    An interesting read on the "aid convoy" and Putin's options.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...-to-meet-them/

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    Hagel Donner und andere Raketen

    Moskau hatte die OSZE aufgefordert, sich ein Bild von der Situation im Grenzgebiet zu machen, auch aufgrund des angeblichen Beschusses von ukrainischer Seite aus. Ratschewa berichtete, am 25. Juli sei von ukrainischer Seite aus ein kleines russisches Dorf mit Artillerie beschossen worden, kurz, nachdem ein Team des Staatsfernsehens dort eingetroffen sei. Das laesst einen Beschuss durch die Separatisten vermuten, fr die das Staatsfernsehen stets Partei ergreift.
    This would fit other stories of (Pro)Russian shelling in false flag operations Russian villages or Ukrainian blocks. Obviously there is no smoking gun of which we know and in some cases in the Donbass the Ukrainians are likely trying to blame the other side for damage and death caused by their artillery fire.

    Ratschewa wurde im Grenzgebiet auch vom Geheimdienst FSB verhoert. Whrend des Gespraechs im Dorf Kujbyschewo im suedrussischen Gebiet Rostow habe sie deutlich Artilleriegeschosse gehoert. Es habe geklungen, als seien sie im Nachbarhof abgefeuert worden. Die Beamten htten die Geraeusche auf Nachfrage, ob es sich nicht um Raketen des russischen Typs Grad (Hagel) handele, erst als Donner, dann als Salutschuesse bezeichnet. Ratschewa traf auch Soldaten, die sich im einzigen Cafe des Dorfes vergngten. Einer von ihnen, der mit einer Militruniform ohne Kennzeichnung, wie sie russische Spezialkrfte tragen, bekleidet gewesen sei, habe sich ihr als Dagestaner vorgestellt und gesagt, man bleibe vor Ort, so lange es das Vaterland wuensche. In der Naehe hoerte die Reporterin Raketen aus russischer Richtung in Richtung des ukrainischen Dorfes Marinowka fliegen und sah die Einschlaege dort.
    This is fruther direct confirmation of what we already know for sure, Russia attacking Ukrainian forces from Russian territory with gun and rocket artillery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    David---interesting in that it confirms something I passed onto Dave Maxwell referencing the military reset of Ukrainian military doctrine focusing more on Ukrainian SF and guerilla warfare being exercised now by these units.

    1. there was a small blog comment mentioned once last week of a guerrilla unit in Donetsk killing over 30 mercenaries in random ambushes forcing the mercenaries to always move in groups. Never talked about since.

    2. Monday another small blog comment indicating another 60 killed mercenaries from a "local defense group" inside Donetsk.

    3. the separatist announcement/denials then Russian media announcements of the serious wounding of two of their major Russian mercenaries---a Ukrainian announcement mentioned that one had bee shot by a Ukrainian Seal team.

    4. Ukrainian SBU announced on Monday that during a raid on what seemed a normal irregular checkpoint killing all at the checkpoint turned out to be a raid killing an entire Russian Army SF team.
    .
    There seems to be a very focused attempt by the Ukrainian special operations (Alpha, former Alpha, Ukrainian SF and Airborne) to identify Russian SF types-- then raid and kill them--seems capture is not in the picture on these raids.

    Seems the Russian losses in the GRU/SF area is climbing the longer the fighting goes on.
    I wonder if it would be better to capture these Russian SF and parade them on the streets of Kiev. Too provocative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeda Toshiie View Post
    I wonder if it would be better to capture these Russian SF and parade them on the streets of Kiev. Too provocative?
    Maybe six months ago but the Ukrainian government is fighting for the survival of the Ukraine and there is now no lost love for Russian troops- mercenary or otherwise.

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    Appears that the Russian Army last night drove 23 APCs with troops across the Ukrainian border into the separatist zone and are holding their positions---being reported by UK media via German media.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ne-360709.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-986206.html

    Appears that Russia seems to be dead set in forcing a "aid convoy" across the border in the face of all statements specially made to them by the West and the ICRC so it appears that all Russian comments by their FM and Putin seem to be somewhat incorrect to say the least.

    This would reflect the adding of Russian AD assets to their "aid convoy" along with having armed copter escorts.

    Late reports coming out seem to indicate the UA was able to take control of a town that sits directly on the Russian resupply road from Russia which is the only road into a surrounded town they are trying to bring "aid" to.

    Also a number of reports are coming out since yesterday that all mercenary units are extremely low on ammunition and food themselves.
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    This particular reporter has been dogging the aid convoy and sent this morning several photos taken from outside looking into the long haul trailers some of which appeared to be mostly empty.

    Will be interesting to hear what the Ukrainian and IRC say after each individual truck clearance is finished.

    Begs the question what happened to the supposedly 2000 tons of aid or is the convoy a decoy?

    https://twitter.com/WeAreUkraine/sta...862721/photo/1

    Based on this tweet--Ukrainian Border Guards are saying more than half of the trucks are empty---begs the next question was in there in fact "military aid" and it was off loaded at the military installation they RONed the previous night?

    https://twitter.com/TarasKuzio/statu...27379135283200

    One has to like social media for speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Appears that the Russian Army last night drove 23 APCs with troops across the Ukrainian border into the separatist zone and are holding their positions---being reported by UK media via German media.
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ne-360709.html


    Let's see where this story is right now:

    1. two videos one from the UK showing the APCs and personnel crossing into the Ukraine have been posted on social media and geo tagged as confirmed
    2. Donetsk Russian border guards confirming to reporters this morning that yes a mobile unit crossed "but" it was to protect Russian civilians from the Ukrainian shellings which have been proven to be false flag attacks---and in the general area of those shellings there are no UA/BG/BG units
    3. the Ukrainian military states --it happens often lately we just get tab on what stays behind


    And how do we know it is absolutely true:

    The FSB made today in ITAS-Isvestia Online a public statement in the front page that it is all lies as no Russian troops and or APCs crossed into the Ukraine last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ne-360709.html


    Let's see where this story is right now:

    1. two videos one from the UK showing the APCs and personnel crossing into the Ukraine have been posted on social media and geo tagged as confirmed
    2. Donetsk Russian border guards confirming to reporters this morning that yes a mobile unit crossed "but" it was to protect Russian civilians from the Ukrainian shellings which have been proven to be false flag attacks---and in the general area of those shellings there are no UA/BG/BG units
    3. the Ukrainian military states --it happens often lately we just get tab on what stays behind


    And how do we know it is absolutely true:

    The FSB made today in ITAS-Isvestia Online a public statement in the front page that it is all lies as no Russian troops and or APCs crossed into the Ukraine last night.
    Now we know the "truth" the Russian FSB announced in ITAS-Isvestia Online that there were no Russian troops/APCs inside the Ukraine---they now say they have "mobile Border Guard Troops" "to protect against Ukrainian troops from crossing into Russia and to stop Ukrainian shelling".

    No mention through of stopping Russian mercenaries and heavy weapons from crossing into the Ukraine from Russia?

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140815/192...-Ukraine-.html

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    Tweets from same UK Telegraph journalist who reported the Russian APCs crossing into the Ukraine last night.

    Evidently a lot more APCs heading to the Russian border passed the parked "aid" convoy.

    From this early evening:

    https://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/s...591297/photo/1

    These guys. Lots of them.

    Roland Oliphant @RolandOliphant 56m

    Which military district is a 76 license plate from?

    Roland Oliphant @RolandOliphant 58m

    Massive column of APCs flying Russian flags and some with мc - peace keeper -driving past aid convoy and barrelling it toward Donetsk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeda Toshiie View Post
    I wonder if it would be better to capture these Russian SF and parade them on the streets of Kiev. Too provocative?
    It's very strange that you are missing the most obvious option - there are no "Russian SF" to parade for two reasons - no one have been ever captured, or no one have ever stepped on Ukrainian soil.
    (like you don't have a dissected pody of a porn star in you bathtube not because of CIA removed it while you blink and destroed any evidence, but because there was no pody in the first place ^_^ )
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    It's very strange that you are missing the most obvious option - there are no "Russian SF" to parade for two reasons - no one have been ever captured, or no one have ever stepped on Ukrainian soil.
    (like you don't have a dissected pody of a porn star in you bathtube not because of CIA removed it while you blink and destroed any evidence, but because there was no pody in the first place ^_^ )

    let us see mirhond--no Russian military has set foot on Ukrainian soli?

    can you then explain how this Russian carrying his Russian military service book showing his service starting 7 July 2014 ended up n the Ukraine captured by the SBU?

    http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en...1&cat_id=35317

    must have been those little green men again from Mars--what mirhond?

    at least get your facts straight--forgot you work for the same FSB that stated today no Russian APCs crossed into the Ukraine even though there are two quality videos showing they corssed
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    It's very strange that you are missing the most obvious option - there are no "Russian SF" to parade for two reasons - no one have been ever captured, or no one have ever stepped on Ukrainian soil.
    (like you don't have a dissected pody of a porn star in you bathtube not because of CIA removed it while you blink and destroed any evidence, but because there was no pody in the first place ^_^ )
    let us see your "truth" again mirhond:

    this Russian lightweight GRU/Russian SF radio just what---grew two legs and walked all the way from Moscow to be what "captured" in the Ukraine?

    http://inforesist.org/rf-perepravlya...ikovoj-svyazi/

    come on mirhond at least get your facts correct


    so mirhond ---this is not the correct location of a Russian mercenary training camp 800 meters from the Russian border? see mirhond---just how easy it is to speak the "truth" these days?

    you have got to convince Russian mercenaries to stop posting to the internet---seems that they do no understand the tools available to geo tag these days.

    https://bellingcat.com/resources/cas...training-camp/

    maybe you can pass on the training in order to improve your arguments
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    So were those supposedly non Russian 23 APCs that did not cross the border into the Ukraine get destroyed by that non Ukrainian artillery that the Russians call a farce of a story?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/every...ukraine-2014-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayonetBrant View Post
    I'm just going to set this down here, and walk away

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...l-army/375932/

    excerpt:

    Actually Obama has achieved this:

    How Obama Is Driving Russia and China Together
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...together-10735
    Five Ways Russia Could Help China's Military Become Even Deadlier
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...ome-even-11000

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    SBU published yesterday intercepted call between FSB officer in Crimea and rebel in Donetsk (according to his text it seems that he is from Crimea also). Rebel tells FSB guy that everything is f...ed up and peoples' support is zero. First person (nickname for Girkin/Strelok) is under the influence of Russian orthodox sect and this is very bad. Some rebel groups are just stealing cars and selling the stuff in Russia. Donetsk has been devided to influence zones between different goups to carry out criminal activities. Rebel says that there is nothing to do. He should return to Crimea to deal with Tatars there. He says also that he has already organised his agentura in Donetsk and through this set he can organise resistance in the future. FSB guy offers to rebel exfil through Rostov oblast border crossing points, where his colleague can arrange safe crossing.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ow5sEsSyI4

    Rebel says that his agentura should go to Russia for training and arming and after infiltration should carry out attacks against Ukrainian forces. Rebel says that this should take place in Perevalnoe (This is "legendary" Ukrainian military base in Crimea, that was under siege of Russian troops in March).

    Video about Russian troops in Perevalnoe https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTV0tuQUzI

    Cossacks in action in Perevalnoe http://navoine.info/crimea-ryb-2.html

    One pic shows the commander of Russian troops and he has forgotten to remove Russian insignia from the hat. Otherwise he is normal green polite person.
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    This was the FTs headlines for today---70 Russian vehicles identified by NATO crossing into the Ukraine---attacked by artillery and the Ukrainians are claiming 70destroyed. No wonder the UK called in the Russian Ambassador yesterday to explain the Russian response ---"was ain't us that crossed".

    Can someone tell me why the Russian Defense Minister/Putin do not think the NATO/US AWACs and E3s do not carry GMTI sensors onboard?

    https://twitter.com/NATOSource/statu...792192/photo/1
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