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    comrade mirond---noticed the Russian military channel is now admitting Russian troops are getting killed in the Ukraine.

    Russian military channel Zvezda reports about a soldier from elite unit in Samara who died in #Donetsk. Via @tvrain

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    Yesterday must have been a very frustrating day for the Russian military leadership --several of their newest pieces of military equipment were pin point destroyed and someone passed on the targeting info for a major DPR commander who is a pure Russian military officer in the GRU.


    #Ukrainian army at #Debaltsevo captured Deputy Commander of Staff of "Donbas Republic", senior #Russian officer

    http://news.liga.net/news/politics/3...evikov_smi.htm

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    Seems like the Russian military is no giving up on getting some satisfaction ie a victory---another elite RF Brigade is spotted via social media inside the Ukraine---ie it seems they came but have not been pulled out according to Minsk 1 and 2 agreements.

    #Recent pix: The 33rd mountain infantry brigade of the Russian Federation's armed forces is still in #Ukraine !
    https://www.facebook.com/danylyuk/posts/725650777509087
    pic.twitter.com/xBYxVOIQya

    Mercenary truck carrying both the mercenary colors and the RF colors on the cab.
    A militant truck in #donetsk yesterday
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2014/10-octo...etsk-yesterday
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    Now even NATO is sensing a big push by Russian troops and their mercenaries--probably tied to the 14 Oct RADA vote on ditching the Ukrainian non aligned status.

    Conflict Reporter @Conflict_Report
    #BRK @NATO Dep. Sec. Gen. A. Vershbow: "There may be a serious deterioration of the situation [in eastern #Ukraine] in the coming days." ...

    The crisis in the Middle East has overshadowed, at least for now, the situation in Ukraine, There is a fragile ceasefire is in place but the violence still continues on a lower level. Could the Ukraine crisis turn into a frozen conflict?

    I think that's a serious danger right now, and I think that is what Russia is trying to do in eastern Ukraine. From our perspective at NATO, and I think this goes even beyond NATO to the EU, we are all insisting that Russia live up to every aspect of the Minsk agreement and not allow it to be implemented selectively. The ceasefire was supposed to freeze the conflict in place of positions since September 19. But of course the separatists with continuous Russian military support that is flowing across the uncontrolled international border have been escalating their attacks on the Donetsk airport.

    That is unacceptable. We need to see full implementation which includes Ukrainians getting the ability to control their own international border. Russia needs to make clear to the separatists that it does not support the elections that they are purporting to hold on November 9, which would have no legitimacy and are inconsistent with the Minsk protocol. It's a very fluid situation. The ceasefire is not holding in some areas and there could be a serious deterioration in the coming days.
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    Interesting development from Putin--

    1. is it a smokescreen in order to get his stock market and Rubel under control
    2. is it a smokescreen because he is running out of money from oil sales
    3. is it a smokescreen because he wants his French carrier
    4. is it a smokescreen because actually his new UW military strategy failed because of moves by the Ukrainians to counter it militarily

    OR is it exactly as this blog indicate--only temporary in order to gain time because he can move back in any time he wants to?

    BUT notice not a single word was wasted on bringing out the Russian troops still inside the Ukraine.

    Of course, one should never underestimate Putin's strategic thinking. May actually pullback troops (temporarily) to buy 'goodwill' & time.

    No one should be getting excited or feeling optimistic about the news that Putin ordered troops home from "exercises in Rostov region."


    BUT THEN is still going on--so really is it simply a smokescreen after all?

    Please don't forget that Russia is still attacking Donetsk airport on a daily basis.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...e-not-met.html
    pic.twitter.com/PzUpF1q6x6

    Sadly, barely a mention in the media that Putin is now moving Nuclear weaponry into Crimea.
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    ss again if one judges Russian actions by their own words--Putin orders troops back to their bases but basically ignores these inside the Ukraine.

    AND then yesterday Russian places roadblocks in the way of the very OSCE they pushed to monitor the "ceasefire".

    Russia May Block Use of Drones To Monitor Ceasefire

    17:47 (GMT)

    Literally every day since the ceasefire was negotiated over one month ago it has been broken by Russian-backed separatists. The whole world is watching, and doing little to nothing, as the international airport in Donetsk, which has always been under the Ukrainian government's control, is attacked every day by Russian-backed militants. The Interpreter has documented many instances of separatist attacks killing civilians. The surrounded Ukrainian troops have desperately fired back. This week, evidence suggests that both Ukrainian and separatist rockets killed civilians in part of Donetsk.

    Ukrainian President Poroshenko also warned that without a significant ramp-up of OSCE monitors, there was no way that the ceasefire could be properly monitored by the international community. According to Poroshenko, there are currently 270 OSCE monitors, only 90 of which are in eastern Ukraine, and there would have to be at least 1,500 to properly ensure all sides were complying with the ceasefire agreement. Meanwhile U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland said that the ceasefire was being broken, and as long as that was the case the monitoring mission could not even occur, a statement that lives in the kind of diplomatic paradox which we have come to expect by watching this crisis unfold.

    Germany and France have pledged to use drones to help monitor the ceasefire, but even those plans face substantial resistance from Russia. The Wall Street Journal reports:

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Friday that his government had submitted a proposal a day earlier that would allow for two drones to be in the air at all times to observe the truce between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia rebels.

    But it was unclear whether the plan was viable, Mr. Steinmeier said, since both Berlin and Paris also want to send armed personnel to provide security for the teams operating the drones—a deployment that could prompt objections from Moscow and faces a possible legislative hurdle in Kiev. (More: Russian Rock Stars Run Afoul of Kremlin Over Ukraine)

    “I don’t want to hide the fact that political and legal questions must still be resolved,” Mr. Steinmeier said.

    This is the situation in which Ukraine has been stuck for the last month and a half. With conflicts raging in the Middle East, with ebola outbreaks in West Africa and, on occasion, elsewhere, and with American mid-term election season in full swing, the harsh reality of Ukraine is simply not catching the attention of Western people, Western media, or, as a result, Western leaders.

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    Appears that the Russian announcement to pull back troops to their home bases was actually a "smokescreen".

    Here is the more honest reason.

    Putin orders 17,600 troops "on training" in Rostov region nr Ukraine border to pullback, return to base. Why? October conscription rotation!

    What is more interesting are the "contract Russian troops" since their "contracts expire mid November " and winter is coming.

    There are some that are saying Putin is lulling the western media and leadership as the units are being swapped out have been scheduled for "winter training"--wonder where?

    October is conscription cohort demob and replenish time. Expect 17.000 fresh troops back in Rostov for winter training
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    For those here are SWJ that have "doubted" that Russian troops were in the Ukraine before say late July.

    Brave Ukrainian detects and follows a Russian invasion army T-64 in #Luhansk city in June 14.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw5Sni6FtkY

    pic.twitter.com/m3W77jty21

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    It seems the only one holding to the "ceasefire period of silence" are the Ukrainians--certainly not the Russian mercenaries.

    So for all of the Russian press releases and the DPR releases the last two days while Putin was at the CIS conference that they were going to hold to the "ceasefire" --again nothing more than "smokescreens" trying to lull western media into thinking things are going well with Minsk 1 and 2.

    #BreakingFootage Russian invaders fired a heavy MLRS salvoe vs- #Donetks #airport 10 minutes ago.
    pic.twitter.com/1ni1ZmLToE

    #Luhansk residential areas shelled despite of ceasfire. Over & over! Oct12 ,2014
    http://youtu.be/tLa5cxoNq8c

    Heavy artillery fire can be heard on the #Donetsk live stream. Large explosions every few seconds.
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    Since approx. six weeks--the Russian Army has been sending in ever increasing numbers of complete SF and GRU BNs from the elite of their elite SF units--that indicates a major shift in their thinking.

    Phase Six of the new Russian military UW strategy--New Generation Warfare:

    Sixth Phase: commencement of military action, immediately preceded by large-scale reconnaissance
    and subversive missions. All types, forms, methods, and forces, including special
    operations forces, space, radio, radio engineering, electronic, diplomatic, and secret service
    intelligence, and industrial espionage
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    That does not indicate a backing off by Putin---more like a doubling down.

    #Komaxidze: #Russian army 45th SOF regiment, unit #28337 in #Rostov oblast @ #Ukraine border.
    https://www.facebook.com/irakli.koma...73220996124483

    BREAKING #Russian army professional SOF units in #Luhansk has been disguised as ГБР "Бэтмэн" & ДШРГ "РУСИЧ".

    pic.twitter.com/IOnxbBsb1e

    ДШРГ stands for Диверсионно-Штурмовая Развед Группа (Subversion-Assault Reconnaissance Unit). Sounds like an Oldsmobile for a Trabant.

    So if #Russia sends its #MIA #SOF #GROM to #Luahnsk airport & names into unpronounceable jabber then it's LEGIT!
    pic.twitter.com/Xbkp9JmJ4N

    #Ukraine army An-2 planes on #Luhansk air filed photographed by #Russian #FSB #SOF #GROM unit soldiers.

    BREAKING #Russian #FSB #SOF #GROM unit soldiers in #Luhansk disguised as GBR "Batman" showcasing assets.

    BREAKING More #Russian #FSB #SOF unit #GROM soldiers reported on Oct 1 in #Ukraine. Honouring the #Minsk protocols?

    1st picture of Timur Gromov fr #Russian #FSB SOF unit #GROM on Oct 9 in #Ukraine. Lost Ivan.
    http://lostivan.com/ivan/151

    BREAKING Tonight 2 #FSB opers in #Donetsk got lost. Credible news coming the other terro unit send regards to RF FSB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Since approx. six weeks--the Russian Army has been sending in ever increasing numbers of complete SF and GRU BNs from the elite of their elite SF units--that indicates a major shift in their thinking.

    Phase Six of the new Russian military UW strategy--New Generation Warfare:

    Sixth Phase: commencement of military action, immediately preceded by large-scale reconnaissance
    and subversive missions. All types, forms, methods, and forces, including special
    operations forces, space, radio, radio engineering, electronic, diplomatic, and secret service
    intelligence, and industrial espionage
    .

    That does not indicate a backing off by Putin---more like a doubling down.

    #Komaxidze: #Russian army 45th SOF regiment, unit #28337 in #Rostov oblast @ #Ukraine border.
    https://www.facebook.com/irakli.koma...73220996124483

    BREAKING #Russian army professional SOF units in #Luhansk has been disguised as ГБР "Бэтмэн" & ДШРГ "РУСИЧ".

    pic.twitter.com/IOnxbBsb1e

    ДШРГ stands for Диверсионно-Штурмовая Развед Группа (Subversion-Assault Reconnaissance Unit). Sounds like an Oldsmobile for a Trabant.

    So if #Russia sends its #MIA #SOF #GROM to #Luahnsk airport & names into unpronounceable jabber then it's LEGIT!
    pic.twitter.com/Xbkp9JmJ4N

    #Ukraine army An-2 planes on #Luhansk air filed photographed by #Russian #FSB #SOF #GROM unit soldiers.

    BREAKING #Russian #FSB #SOF #GROM unit soldiers in #Luhansk disguised as GBR "Batman" showcasing assets.

    BREAKING More #Russian #FSB #SOF unit #GROM soldiers reported on Oct 1 in #Ukraine. Honouring the #Minsk protocols?

    1st picture of Timur Gromov fr #Russian #FSB SOF unit #GROM on Oct 9 in #Ukraine. Lost Ivan.
    http://lostivan.com/ivan/151

    BREAKING Tonight 2 #FSB opers in #Donetsk got lost. Credible news coming the other terro unit send regards to RF FSB.

    The BREAKING article on #GRU 14th SOF unit in #Ukraine by #Komaxidze now in #English.

    http://burkonews.info/new-siberian-g...ce-department/
    pic.twitter.com/BAOD7EAE83

    Last night in #Sverdlovks, #Ukraine 10 #Russian #GRU opers got killed. #Ukraine DRG made sure not from heart attacks for sure.
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    About a month into the Crimea problem the US in a little noticed move did a
    6M barrel crude oil sale out of the strategic reserves---the US argued it had to do with the maintenance of the depots---some analysts stated then that if the US maintained the rate of sales through say four months the overall market price for sour crude ie Russian oil could drop into the 80s ranges.

    Then about two months ago a really little noticed single one prargraph Russian new release came and went and was never backed up by others which is standard practice--this PR simply stated --- a named Russian official from inside the oil industry stated "he felt that the KSA would not "play" games with the crude oil prices.

    It was rather unusual and simply did not fit in the normal Russian news Pr flow for that day and it did not tie into any other PRs for that week or the rest of the month.

    IT appeared to be a "please please do not sink the oil prices" kind of plea.

    I mentioned both articles here in SWJ and indicated had the oil price been forced far faster downwards Russian troops would not be in the Ukraine--and took massive heat in some comments for thinking that to be possible.

    THEN this today hit the news cycle---and behold the KSA is "playing" with the oil prices especially sour crude---what Russia exports.

    I had also pointed out that the KSA has been teed off at Russia for a long while concerning their support for Assad especially on the military weapons support side of the house---also many did not like that statement as well.

    Saudi Arabia's Oil Price 'Manipulation' Could Sink The Russian Economy

    Business Insider
    By Tomas Hirst
    1 hour ago

    The vice-president of Russia's state-owned oil behemoth Rosneft has accused Saudi Arabia of manipulating the oil price for political reasons. Mikhail Leontyev was quoted in Russian media as saying:

    Prices can be manipulative. First of all, Saudi Arabia has begun making big discounts on oil. This is political manipulation, and Saudi Arabia is being manipulated, which could end badly.

    The news comes as Reuters reports Saudi officials have been privately admitting to oil market participants that they are comfortable with lower oil prices. According to the news service, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is willing to accept prices as low as $80 a barrel for as much as the next two years.

    NOTE: the Russian budget cannot take a hit to their oil pricing of 80 for two straight years.

    Falling prices are of particular concern to Russia. Russia needs high oil prices to buoy its economy. The country has seen its economic performance slow under the weight of sanctions over Ukraine and weakening domestic demand. The Russian Central Bank forecasts growth over 2014 to be a meager 0.4%, improving marginally to between 0.9%-1.1% in 2015.

    The problem is that Russia's latest budget requires oil prices to average at least $100 a barrel in order to cover the government's spending promises. The government already needs to borrow around $7 billion from foreign investors next year and as much as 1.1 trillion rubles ($27.2 billion) from domestic investors. Given the country's sanctions-imposed isolation from international bond markets, any additional borrowing would be a big concern for policymakers in Moscow.

    Finance Minister Anton Siluanov has already acknowledged that the budget forecasts for both Russian GDP growth and oil prices are "optimistic." During the Reuters Russia Investment Summit in September he was quoted as saying:

    There are risks to economic growth rates. It is a rather optimist forecast; there are risks to oil price. Without a doubt, this and the next year we will have to try very hard to ensure the planned growth rates.

    If the forecast growth fails to materialize and the oil price continues its slide it could force the Russian government into an embarrassing retreat on spending commitments and increase the country's economic woes.

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    The fighting around the Donetsk airport still continues---with a reported large tank battle today which the defenders pushed back with artillery support.

    BREAKING #Russian terrorists have received strict order to seize the #DonetskAirport before meeting btwn #Poroshenko & #Putin

    New #Russia|n MID Spetsnaz #GRU unit m/u 74854 from #Khabarovsk seen on #Ukraine's east border
    http://burkonews.info/new-siberian-g...ce-department/
    pic.twitter.com/RqPvGsBMMr
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    If one still stay's inside the Ukraine and orders more troops to enter which is still ongoing then that individual seems to not care about his own economy as the geopolitical decisions far out weigh his economy and the quality of life of his on own population.

    The Russian economy death spiral still continues and only gets worse.

    Oil Price Set To Fall to $76-77 -- Oil Minister of #Kuwait
    No reduction in OPEC production to support prices either
    http://www.theinsider.ua/business/543b98aaa8039/

    Appears the Russian CB has also given up on supporting the Rubel.

    #Russia|n Central Bank Admits Defeat as Ruble plunges to new low:
    $1 = 40.460
    €1 = 51.342
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...-ruble-2014-10
    @AP pic.twitter.com/LSnOpxDcZ4

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    If one still stay's inside the Ukraine and orders more troops to enter which is still ongoing then that individual seems to not care about his own economy as the geopolitical decisions far out weigh his economy and the quality of life of his on own population.

    The Russian economy death spiral still continues and only gets worse.

    Oil Price Set To Fall to $76-77 -- Oil Minister of #Kuwait
    No reduction in OPEC production to support prices either
    http://www.theinsider.ua/business/543b98aaa8039/

    Appears the Russian CB has also given up on supporting the Rubel.

    #Russia|n Central Bank Admits Defeat as Ruble plunges to new low:
    $1 = 40.460
    €1 = 51.342
    http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...-ruble-2014-10
    @AP pic.twitter.com/LSnOpxDcZ4
    Putin now does have a serious question to ask himself---continue on for a military victory or pull fully put and try to get the sanctions lifted before the Rubel fully collapses and along with it the entire Russian economy.

    Talk is that the Russian CB has used 6B in the current attempt to support the Rubel.

    Again an article concerning the oil pricing by the KSA directed apparently at Russia.

    More reports on the KSA oil price effects on Russia--the "real sanctions" against Putin.

    RUB - 51.3120 versus EURO, 40.4350 against USD.
    Real sanctions against Putin imposed by Saudi Arabia.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...sens-rout.html
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    The Ukrainian SF guerrilla fight is getting results.

    The killed are the Russian general Sergei Andreychenko,Chechen commander for the special forces in Mariupol Andrey Borisov +2 elite troops.

    #BREAKINGNEWS Ukrainian special forces from battalion Dnepr-1 kill 4 key Russian soldiers in #Telmanovo
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouufCxyObos

    National Guard conscripts in Kiev rebelled and demanded demobilization.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6mqzGwloE

    Graham Phillips talking to volunteers in Donetzk airport.
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    By Boris Nemtsov, Russian politician
    10.11.2014
    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Project “Novorossiya” is [finally] closed. Putin ordered to return 17.6 thousand troops to their places of permanent deployment. They can now take a break and draw some conclusions. They [the conclusions], are terrible. Neither one of the goals set by Putin has been realized:
    1.[He] wanted to bind Ukraine to Russia, in order to achieve Ukraine’s entry into the [Eurasian] Customs Union. [He] got exactly the opposite, Ukraine has chosen the European vector and will never come back into the orbit of Putin’s influence.
    2.[He] wanted to achieve the neutrality of Ukraine and to preserve its non-aligned status. A total failure. It is now clear that Ukraine is firmly and permanently associated with NATO. Joint military NATO–Ukraine exercises take place, [Ukraine] works on establishing military–technical cooperation with the Alliance.
    3.[He] wanted the respect of the Ukrainian people. [He] got an enemy for many years and Putin–Khuylo.
    4.[He] wanted “Novorossiya” from Donetsk to Odesa. [He] got a smaller part of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
    5.[He] wanted a corridor to Crimea through Mariupol. He got resistance [in response] and trenches that the Russian people in Mariupol [have] dug to not let the occupier in.
    6.[He] wanted [Donetsk and Luhansk to be like] Crimea, without firing a single shot; instead, he got 4,000 killed on both sides.
    7.[He] wanted the Russian economy not to suffer. [He] got a flight of capital of over 100 billion dollars, 40 rubles per dollar (devaluation of more than 20%) and double-digit food inflation. As well as a complete stagnation in the economy without investments and innovation.
    8.[He] wanted support from the imperialists and nationalists (like Girkin and Sputnik and Pogrom)–[he] got extreme irritation from them and the title of traitor.
    9.[He] wanted to remain recognized in world politics. [He] became an outcast. He got expelled from the G8, no one invites him anywhere, all the bratva are under sanctions, no one but Luka [President of Belarus Lukashenko] and Nazarbayev [President of Kazakhstan] want to associate with him. And even they support the integrity of Ukraine and demand money. Aleksandr Grigoryevich [Lukashenko] particularly excelled at it–[he] received 3.5 billion dollars a year from the Russian budget and meanwhile said that Mongolia and Kazakhstan should divide Russia between themselves.
    10.The only thing he wanted and got, was [his] high rating [in Russia], based on an imperial hysteria and the cynical lies of agitprop [propaganda]. But not for long. Soon, people will realize that the prices have risen, but their income has not. [He] won’t be able to keep blaming everything on Obama for long.

    That’s how he beat everyone… First and foremost, Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Ukrainian SF guerrilla fight is getting results.

    The killed are the Russian general Sergei Andreychenko,Chechen commander for the special forces in Mariupol Andrey Borisov +2 elite troops.

    #BREAKINGNEWS Ukrainian special forces from battalion Dnepr-1 kill 4 key Russian soldiers in #Telmanovo
    .
    Appears that these Russian troops were a key Russian intel team and then this followed up the reporting on their being killed.

    Total Russian media silence on the blogging reports which in the past is a positive indicator that the event occurred.

    AGAIN notice the use of OSCE vehicles in full violation of the OSCE mandate of neutrality for the Ukraine.

    #Report Russian forces are searching for their missing key intelligence troops btw.#Telmanovo and #Novoazovsk , also using #OSCE vehicles

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    Breaking news from Ukromedia!!111

    Russians use magnetic resonance weapons on Ukrainian soldiers!!111

    http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/na-donbasi-vi...ih-373492.html

    За її словами, зброя, яка застосовується, колись була лише в футурологічній літературі. Йдеться, зокрема, про магнітно-резонансну зброю, яку застосували 11 вересня під Дебальцевим у Донецькій області.
    Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/na-donbasi-vi...ih-373492.html
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