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    I'm just going to set this down here, and walk away

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...l-army/375932/

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    The Kremlin, which has waged a massive disinformation campaign aimed at legitimizing Russia's annexation of Crimea and support for separatists in eastern Ukraine, has employed so-called "troll armies" to invade online territories armed with pro-Moscow rhetoric.

    A June article by Max Seddon of BuzzFeed reported the Kremlin was spending millions of dollars to pay English-speaking Russians to promote President Vladimir Putin and his policies in U.S. media like Fox News broadcasting and The Huffington Post and Politico news sites. Trolls are reportedly expected to manage multiple fake accounts and post on news articles 50 times a day, often with sentiments as simplistic as "Putin makes Obama look stupid and weak!"

    In order to promote its narrative, the Kremlin has adopted a two-fisted strategy, unleashing its troll armies even as it tightens Internet restrictions at home. On August 1, Russia enacted controversial new legislation aimed at muzzling social media, the last bastion of the country's embattled opposition and a free flow of information about the war in Ukraine.

    Anton Nosik, a popular Russian blogger and programmer who is sometimes referred to as the "father of the Russian Internet," says the Kremlin is falling back on a time-honored strategy in its propaganda war on Ukraine. But this time, he says, the stakes are higher than ever before. (BuzzFeed reports that at least one trolling company—Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg—is expected to spend more than $10 million in 2014 alone.)

    "Comments were already serving as a well-financed Kremlin instrument of war against the opposition, even five years ago," he says. "So what's going on now is nothing new. But what's absolutely clear is that now they're spending more money on Ukraine than they ever spent against Alexei Navalny, or Ekho Moskvy, Kommersant, Gazeta.ru"—Russian media actors who have been targeted by the Kremlin in the past—"and all the rest."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BayonetBrant View Post
    I'm just going to set this down here, and walk away

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...l-army/375932/

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    Actually Obama has achieved this:

    How Obama Is Driving Russia and China Together
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...together-10735
    Five Ways Russia Could Help China's Military Become Even Deadlier
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...ome-even-11000

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    SBU published yesterday intercepted call between FSB officer in Crimea and rebel in Donetsk (according to his text it seems that he is from Crimea also). Rebel tells FSB guy that everything is f...ed up and peoples' support is zero. First person (nickname for Girkin/Strelok) is under the influence of Russian orthodox sect and this is very bad. Some rebel groups are just stealing cars and selling the stuff in Russia. Donetsk has been devided to influence zones between different goups to carry out criminal activities. Rebel says that there is nothing to do. He should return to Crimea to deal with Tatars there. He says also that he has already organised his agentura in Donetsk and through this set he can organise resistance in the future. FSB guy offers to rebel exfil through Rostov oblast border crossing points, where his colleague can arrange safe crossing.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ow5sEsSyI4

    Rebel says that his agentura should go to Russia for training and arming and after infiltration should carry out attacks against Ukrainian forces. Rebel says that this should take place in Perevalnoe (This is "legendary" Ukrainian military base in Crimea, that was under siege of Russian troops in March).

    Video about Russian troops in Perevalnoe https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTV0tuQUzI

    Cossacks in action in Perevalnoe http://navoine.info/crimea-ryb-2.html

    One pic shows the commander of Russian troops and he has forgotten to remove Russian insignia from the hat. Otherwise he is normal green polite person.
    Last edited by kaur; 08-16-2014 at 03:11 PM.

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    This was the FTs headlines for today---70 Russian vehicles identified by NATO crossing into the Ukraine---attacked by artillery and the Ukrainians are claiming 70destroyed. No wonder the UK called in the Russian Ambassador yesterday to explain the Russian response ---"was ain't us that crossed".

    Can someone tell me why the Russian Defense Minister/Putin do not think the NATO/US AWACs and E3s do not carry GMTI sensors onboard?

    https://twitter.com/NATOSource/statu...792192/photo/1
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    This is why the Ukraine did not trust the "aid" convoy which were Russian military trucks repainted white and driven by those "little men in tan".

    Amazing what fits into a commercial long hauler these days?

    https://twitter.com/Dbnmjr/status/50...706944/photo/1

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    FSB guy Girkin/Strelok went to vacation. According to Borodai, he'll be back in a month. Some think that this is too late for Donetsk. According to intercept Crimean FSB guy calls his man back, Girkin has disappeared and Borodai is now deputy PM instead PM. I'll not wonder, if he will disappear next. What is the plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    FSB guy Girkin/Strelok went to vacation. According to Borodai, he'll be back in a month. Some think that this is too late for Donetsk. According to intercept Crimean FSB guy calls his man back, Girkin has disappeared and Borodai is now deputy PM instead PM. I'll not wonder, if he will disappear next. What is the plan?
    kaur---there is a serious rumor floating around about the following;

    Both were told by the FSB either you toe the line and do as we say or you are out---they requested repeatedly and both refused to toe the line and then you noticed just before they "resigned" the lanced articles that both had been wounded--Girkin was in theory seriously wounded---which had been denied by the separatist leadership.

    Then suddenly they resigned. And then the "vacation".

    Both were replaced by actual Ukrainian proRussians---suspect they will be the ones to negotiate the proRussian demands if it ever comes to an inter Ukrainian negotiation

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This is why the Ukraine did not trust the "aid" convoy which were Russian military trucks repainted white and driven by those "little men in tan".

    Amazing what fits into a commercial long hauler these days?

    https://twitter.com/Dbnmjr/status/50...706944/photo/1
    So Putin is intending cut his losses and pull the plug?

    The Ukrainians can inspect any outgoing "cargo" the way they did with the incoming convoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeda Toshiie View Post
    So Putin is intending cut his losses and pull the plug?

    The Ukrainians can inspect any outgoing "cargo" the way they did with the incoming convoy.
    IMO Putin is not cutting his losses---he is actually upping the efforts if the YouTube video is correct where the new leader of the Donetsk stated he is anticipating receiving 1200 new fighters that were trained the last four months in Moscow and he is awaiting 120 APs and 30 tanks---the fighting on the UA side has slowed down and they have noticed an improved fighting abilities of the separatists.

    By shifting out those that were not toeing the line makes it now easier to have a unified front.

    Notice he is not de-escalating.

    Putin totally miscalculated the western reactions from the beginning--he assumed they would fold as they did in the Georgian war and go back to business as usual---instead he is hit with sanctions that are actually biting now harder and he is isolated thoroughly and might not be invited to the G20 which is a prestige loss.

    Latest affect of the sanction---the largest Russian oil company is asking the Russian government for a 45B USD bailout since they had built a number of business deals built on short term USD loans which they now cannot get.

    Putin has no exit plan and did not take the exits that were being offered by the west as he thought his mercenaries would be holding their own---now they are losing and he cannot afford to lose face---losing face is a defeat and he does not want to be considered a loser against the west.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    SBU published yesterday intercepted call between FSB officer in Crimea and rebel in Donetsk (according to his text it seems that he is from Crimea also). Rebel tells FSB guy that everything is f...ed up and peoples' support is zero. First person (nickname for Girkin/Strelok) is under the influence of Russian orthodox sect and this is very bad. Some rebel groups are just stealing cars and selling the stuff in Russia. Donetsk has been devided to influence zones between different goups to carry out criminal activities. Rebel says that there is nothing to do. He should return to Crimea to deal with Tatars there. He says also that he has already organised his agentura in Donetsk and through this set he can organise resistance in the future. FSB guy offers to rebel exfil through Rostov oblast border crossing points, where his colleague can arrange safe crossing.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ow5sEsSyI4

    Rebel says that his agentura should go to Russia for training and arming and after infiltration should carry out attacks against Ukrainian forces. Rebel says that this should take place in Perevalnoe (This is "legendary" Ukrainian military base in Crimea, that was under siege of Russian troops in March).

    Video about Russian troops in Perevalnoe https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTV0tuQUzI

    Cossacks in action in Perevalnoe http://navoine.info/crimea-ryb-2.html

    One pic shows the commander of Russian troops and he has forgotten to remove Russian insignia from the hat. Otherwise he is normal green polite person.
    Also in that same intercept quoted also by the German Der Spiegel today ---was the mention that the mercenaries can not hold out past the end of this month.

    This is an interesting comment as there have been several blog comments indicating that coming out of the ATO are comments stating that some of the mercenary units are trying to pull back into Russia stating 19 August.

    Yesterday one of the "independent BNs" working with the UA reported 45 Cossacks surrendered to them and they were handed over to the UA and SBU.

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