Ukraine: military (Aug '14 to mid-June '15) closed

[OUTLAW 09]

Dayuhan--you made a recent remark that you doubted the SBU suggestion that the MH17 was a Russian False Flag operation that went sideways as doubtful.

I linked you to a blogger who was the lead blogger using OSINT to prove the use of the Buk by the mercenaries as well as the potential launch site which was then used by US intelligence for a global briefing.

That same blogger has now attempted to prove and or disprove the new SBU accusations that Russia wanted to shot down an areoflot airliner and simply missed and he tended to come to the result that it was in fact highly possible and needed more info from the SBU to be provided ie voice intercepts and or photos for geo tagging.

He then placed the direct challenge to who he calls "the Trolls" (Russian bloggers supporting Putin) and who we might suggest mirhond as an example from our own experience to disprove his analysis.

And presto several bit hard and now he is taking their arguments apart again using only OSINT.

Well worth watching the ongoing exchange as an example of Russian blogger "trolls" at work to disprove Russian involvement in MH17.

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/

Dayuhan--when we talk about Russian false flag operations do not forget for a moment what the FSB did in order to give Russia an reason to invade Chechnya---check Google on the four apartment buildings that were blow up killing over 300--history is now saying Russia blew up the buildings---so shooting down an airliner and using it to give one an excuse--- remember I pointed you towards the Russian emphasis on "legality"---to "legally" cross into the Ukraine.

Again remember just how many civilian Chechens were killed in the two invasions over 10K and now Russia argues to the entire world hey 1.7K have been killed in eastern Ukraine (notice they never talk about Russian mercenaries fighting there to the tune of over 10K using heavy weapons driven across that supposedly "secured border" that Putin held a press conference on it?)--that is a humanitarian disaster so hey we had "legal" rights to bring in humanitarian supplies since they are our fellow Russians that we must take care of---remember they have in the past brought in such aid to Donetsk making a big video announcement about it---what they did not show where three trucks carrying weapons, and munitions as well as SAMs that were part of that convoy.

False flag operations are a key corner stone of Russian politics since the 30s.

[OUTLAW 09]

Russia is still trying to do the "humanitarian" invasion thing regardless of western warnings that such movements are in fact illegal because all necessary NGOs and the IRC are already inside the Ukraine.


http://theweek.com/article/index/266...itarian-crisis

Here is the Russian FM's comments concerning the "humanitarian assistance"----notice they mentioned that they "received the US comments"--that is an interesting comment from the FM so they were in fact going to move an "humanitarian invasion" the across the border into the Ukraine and the US call "seemed" to bring the convoy to a halt.

http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140810/1...n-Eastern.html

Seems like the US has moved to a more forceful spoken English language set of words--whatever was said did make it into Putin's head.

What is interesting is that the current leader of the DNR at first was voicing the claim of major humanitarian problems and "wanted a ceasefire" and when he heard the Ukrainian militay response was "white flag and lay down your weapons" he no longer called for "humanitarian assistance".

While Russia in this link slams the Ukraine for not holding to the Geneva Agreements Russia "seemed" to forget that part of that agreement was the mercenaries laying down their arms and leaving all occupied buildings--and that is also what they signed as well.

Russia has a short memory on what it signs these days but that is part of their cognitive dissonance.

What is more interesting is the press release that Interfax placed on the same topic---notice the difference in press releases.

http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=527435

[JMA]

Russia is still trying to do the "humanitarian" invasion thing regardless of western warnings that such movements are in fact illegal because all necessary NGOs and the IRC are already inside the Ukraine.

Who will stop them?

[OUTLAW 09]

Who will stop them?

JMA---would have agreed with you but the RIA comments by the Russian FM seems to indicate that something was said by the US and backed up by Germany that led to a 50 vehicle "humanitarian" protected by Russian Airborne/SF armor to come to a sudden halt meters from the border.

He simply stated "we got the comment" but did not go further into it.

So something was said in a manner that halted a moving convoy within minutes into the conversation as the US was informed during the conversation the convoy had halted.

Putin had to have been totally informed as a previous Interfax release earlier during the same day indicated he was handling the "humanitarian efforts" personally.

[JMA]

As per my comment in another thread if this "comment" was so persuasive then why wasn't it used when Russia invaded the Crimea?

JMA---would have agreed with you but the RIA comments by the Russian FM seems to indicate that something was said by the US and backed up by Germany that led to a 50 vehicle "humanitarian" protected by Russian Airborne/SF armor to come to a sudden halt meters from the border.

He simply stated "we got the comment" but did not go further into it.

So something was said in a manner that halted a moving convoy within minutes into the conversation as the US was informed during the conversation the convoy had halted.

Putin had to have been totally informed as a previous Interfax release earlier during the same day indicated he was handling the "humanitarian efforts" personally.

[OUTLAW 09]

As per my comment in another thread if this "comment" was so persuasive then why wasn't it used when Russia invaded the Crimea?

Good question---maybe the fear of an open ended war triggered it.

[mirhond]

Georgian(volunteer?) on the Ukrainian side

http://scout-thedeaddistrict.blogspo...og-post_2.html

One Swede, one Georgian - it would be nice to put them in one grave.