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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentWilliams View Post
    I think that is about right. They see themselves as a world power and think they should have cold war type influence. But the problem is, they really aren't that significant of a player. You may disagree with this, but to me military power is based off of economic power. The reason we have a military that is strong is because we have an American economy that can support the type of diversified labor needed for that modern military. Russia is a sick country with major economic and demographic problems. Long term, its only hope is integration with Europe, not a return to the Cold War.

    That said, if they think it is in their interest to destabilize their neighbors and act against international norms, we should act. We might not have the political will to directly intervene here, but bigger picture we do have the will to do a lot that will affect Russia. We have shown the will for deeper economic sanctions. That will worsen their own internal problems long term. Security assistance to the Ukraine might be on the table. However, also of significant is a rejuvenated NATO which should expand and hem Russia in. It is time to draw a line and back it up with NATO and article 5.
    BW--actually we tend to think along the same lines but with different emphasis.

    Today's newest example of the Russian "altered state of reality".

    Evidently the Presidents of the Ukraine and Russia have been discussing a "ceasefire"--then the Ukraine announces those talks as having made some progress and then Russia state media and Putin's press manager spent all morning here in Europe "walking those comments alluded to Russia back".

    Ever wonder why--Russia was playing their 15 card--meaning let's see if I can influence those wavering in the EU against more sanctions against me---meaning I will "give the allusion I am trying to solve the problem" thus just maybe the sanctions will not be so hard against me.

    The Russian statement after the Ukraine announced the news--was "we could not agree to a ceasefire as we have nothing to do with the conflict"----and we all know just "uninvolved Russia is".

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...re-363171.html

    AND again this Russian move was just in time for both the NATO and EU meetings.

    BUT then on the back side of the 15th card---he let's a Russian military armored convoy of over 122 vehicles--tanks, support vehicles, troop trucks and artillery simply convoy into the Ukraine all headed to the Donbas.

    Remember it was in fact Putin in front of Russian national press media who stated "he had ordered the FSB and the Border Security Command to "tighten up" border security"--that was two months ago and carried in the global media and what was the result of his "order to tighten up"?

    Convoy video analysis from open source -- ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl

    Putin is all about actions not talk right now.

    His economy is in fact hurting badly right now and the coming new sanctions are those that I have mentioned here a number of times- and it will cause more grief to his economy which is tanking rapidly --the EU is holding back the cut off from SWIFT as their "nuclear option" if he does not throttle back.

    IMO he is racing to get a "New Russia" solution in place--before his economy tanks badly and he has to explain the reasons for that to his own population who in the end be paying for his "adventures".

    Here is a prefect example of the "non involved Russia"---just how is it possible that the "Russian irregulars and mercenaries" claim to have an air force flying now from the totally destroyed Luhansk airport---the runway was completely cratered to deny use of the airfield by anyone?

    BREAKING RUSSIAN INVADERS CLAIM OPERATING AIR FORCE, 4 DAYS AFTER #LUHANSK #AIRPORT CAPTURE.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewhWwZdzZs

    pic.twitter.com/3wfnXvbiYY

    What this now means are air strikes being flown by Russian "vacationing" pilots on in planes they "borrowed for their vacations as it was cheaper to fly than walk" on Ukrainian ground forces.
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    Now the Russian "altered state of reality" is taking on contours.

    If one Googles' "Russian 2012 nuclear strategy" you will find in a number of Russian articles the mention of a first strike ability and going immediately to tactical nuclear weapons.

    If you then Google other Russian military articles say since 2008 there is a repeated fear by Russian military planners of a conventional war and losing that conventional war---they still regard NATO to be far stronger than the Russian Army even if it takes 28 countries to decide something.

    Which is probably a correct assessment of NATO combat abilities in a conventional environment--they view NATO forces to be better lead, professional and well equipped--especially the air forces.

    Thus the constant talk that is repeated in their new nuclear strategy released in 2012 which calls for a tactical first strike ability.

    So this Interfax press release might be designed to cause NATO to rethink especially in light of the coming NATO Russian decisions this week---but in the "altered state of reality" it has been there since 2012--so really nothing but hot air.

    The problem I foresee for Russia with their nuclear statements from today and the implied threat of tactical nukes being used in the Ukraine, and their tactical exercised nuke strike on Poland and the Baltics--- will be the demand by the weaken NATO members for a new missile shield which will then panic Russia and that is their worst nightmare---meaning a true threat to eliminate their first strike abilities---but again provoked by Russian actions and threats not by the West---as it was never really on the NATO agenda until now.

    Interfax from today 13:47

    Russia's updated military doctrine should stipulate preemptive nuke strike - military official

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BW--actually we tend to think along the same lines but with different emphasis.

    Today's newest example of the Russian "altered state of reality".

    Evidently the Presidents of the Ukraine and Russia have been discussing a "ceasefire"--then the Ukraine announces those talks as having made some progress and then Russia state media and Putin's press manager spent all morning here in Europe "walking those comments alluded to Russia back".

    Ever wonder why--Russia was playing their 15 card--meaning let's see if I can influence those wavering in the EU against more sanctions against me---meaning I will "give the allusion I am trying to solve the problem" thus just maybe the sanctions will not be so hard against me.

    The Russian statement after the Ukraine announced the news--was "we could not agree to a ceasefire as we have nothing to do with the conflict"----and we all know just "uninvolved Russia is".

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...re-363171.html

    AND again this Russian move was just in time for both the NATO and EU meetings.

    BUT then on the back side of the 15th card---he let's a Russian military armored convoy of over 122 vehicles--tanks, support vehicles, troop trucks and artillery simply convoy into the Ukraine all headed to the Donbas.

    Remember it was in fact Putin in front of Russian national press media who stated "he had ordered the FSB and the Border Security Command to "tighten up" border security"--that was two months ago and carried in the global media and what was the result of his "order to tighten up"?

    Convoy video analysis from open source -- ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl

    Putin is all about actions not talk right now.

    His economy is in fact hurting badly right now and the coming new sanctions are those that I have mentioned here a number of times- and it will cause more grief to his economy which is tanking rapidly --the EU is holding back the cut off from SWIFT as their "nuclear option" if he does not throttle back.

    IMO he is racing to get a "New Russia" solution in place--before his economy tanks badly and he has to explain the reasons for that to his own population who in the end be paying for his "adventures".

    Here is a prefect example of the "non involved Russia"---just how is it possible that the "Russian irregulars and mercenaries" claim to have an air force flying now from the totally destroyed Luhansk airport---the runway was completely cratered to deny use of the airfield by anyone?

    BREAKING RUSSIAN INVADERS CLAIM OPERATING AIR FORCE, 4 DAYS AFTER #LUHANSK #AIRPORT CAPTURE.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewhWwZdzZs

    pic.twitter.com/3wfnXvbiYY

    What this now means are air strikes being flown by Russian "vacationing" pilots on in planes they "borrowed for their vacations as it was cheaper to fly than walk" on Ukrainian ground forces.
    This was being carried on the EuroMaidan site today concerning the open source analyzed Russian tank convoy--by the way the video was geo tagged as being in the Ukraine:

    2014/09/02 • Featured, War in Donbas

    The smoking gun: Russian column confirmed in Krasnodon

    Russia has invaded Ukraine and now there is irrefutable proof. Today a Krasnodon local riding on trolleybus route Nr.1 connecting Krasnodon with Molodohvardiysk filmed a Russian mechanized column...

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/0...-in-krasnodon/
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    Article concerning a new Russian website for Russian MIAs, KIAs, and WIAs in the Ukraine. The important piece of info---actually created and uploaded in Russia not from outside bloggers.

    You will notice a couple of individuals listed on the site with ties to the Russian SF and or were Russian SF trainers.

    http://en.inforesist.org/a-website-f...ted-in-russia/

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    There is a constant stream of blogging reports and independent journalist bloggers since the 25th of august when the first Russian troops went into the Ukraine of high losses of manpower and high wounded numbers.

    Reports drifted out today of the Russian Rostov military hospital being completely overfilled with wounded and in St. Petersburg there is also no more available hospital beds for the Ukrainian wounded.

    KIA estimates range form 700 just on 25 Aug to now a total nearly 2,000.

    There are confirmed reports that the Russian military has given their Russian commanders in the Ukraine orders to find open plots of land for burial of Russian soldiers in the Ukraine so the bodies do not start showing up in Russia.

    There are unproven reports of Russian military field crematoriums being sent into the Ukraine.

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/0...ive-to-russia/

    Even if the numbers are lower than the reported numbers--it is a remarkable high number for a rag tag regular Army working with independent BNs fighting with less armor and artillery and no aircraft.

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    Russian mercenaries still have a hard time aiming and firing accuarately the BM21s they have---hit today a Donetsk coalmine and set it on fire.

    The "October" mine in #Donetsk city is burning after being hit by "Russian terrorist Grad missiles".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whE1olE1RtM

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    Interesting US comment concerning the 1997 NATO Russian Founding Act.

    Philip Karber, a former senior U.S. defense official who has provided assessments of Ukraine’s military to Congress, said, “Russia occupies and incorporates Crimea, shoots down civilian aircraft, then violently invades and is destroying Ukrainian army—and we are supposed to honor a non-treaty, 15-year-old commitment? If the U.S. is playing by those kind of rules we are in much bigger trouble than we admit and our allies are doomed.”

    If it had been Putin he would have already violated/ignored it---if it stopped him from his stated end goal.

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    This chart accurately depicts if one takes all Russian/Putin statements since before the Crimea and his latest New Russia statements as to what his end state is for south/eastern Ukraine.

    (Pro-)#Russian territorial aspirations. Everything right of and under the red line.
    pic.twitter.com/z8zI181GMd

    https://twitter.com/HaraldDoornbos/s...982144/photo/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    There is a constant stream of blogging reports and independent journalist bloggers since the 25th of august when the first Russian troops went into the Ukraine of high losses of manpower and high wounded numbers.

    Reports drifted out today of the Russian Rostov military hospital being completely overfilled with wounded and in St. Petersburg there is also no more available hospital beds for the Ukrainian wounded.

    KIA estimates range form 700 just on 25 Aug to now a total nearly 2,000.

    There are confirmed reports that the Russian military has given their Russian commanders in the Ukraine orders to find open plots of land for burial of Russian soldiers in the Ukraine so the bodies do not start showing up in Russia.

    There are unproven reports of Russian military field crematoriums being sent into the Ukraine.

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/0...ive-to-russia/

    Even if the numbers are lower than the reported numbers--it is a remarkable high number for a rag tag regular Army working with independent BNs fighting with less armor and artillery and no aircraft.
    This seems to confirm the existence of mobile Russian military field crematoriums.

    Seems like the Russian Army wants no existence of killed Russian soldiers to make it back to the motherland and their mothers.

    This is #Russian army mobile crematorium brought to #Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6L0jiMloO8
    http://informnapalm.org/916-armyya-rf-

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw
    This is the "altered state of reality"---talking ceasefire to get NATO/EU to do minimum damage to their economy while driving even further into the Ukraine--all in the same breath.
    How is that an "altered state of reality" and not realpolitik in its purest form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPride View Post
    How is that an "altered state of reality" and not realpolitik in its purest form?
    Then if "realpolitik" then there is no need to negotiate if I recall---as we know the end state---right?

    Here is the current "realpolitik" that does not makes sense;

    1. if the fighting has died down as the UA and independent BNs have all but pulled back as to not be encircled---then why the increased numbers of wounded and killed coming in---who is then doing the fighting?

    Someone or something is causing a high rate of sudden causalities and it is not the Ukrainian Army---rumors have it as Ukrainian SF strikes against lone units not anticipating guerilla style raids.

    BREAKING Since 11:00 fr #Mariupol to #Donetsk hospital local emergency brigades are on constant back-and-forth trips. Seems terrs die easily

    2. if the Russian Army/Russian separatists are so well liked in eastern Ukraine then why do Russian troops at a Luhansk CPs ask those that are leaving to stay and they will get jobs?

    Does that make sense to you and that is another example of "altered state of reality". At the height of the separatist movement Girkin was openly complaining he could not get more than 1000 Ukrainians to fight with him in the separatist movement--thus the heavy reliance on Russian mercenaries and now Russian troops.

    BREAKING #Luhansk CPs are openly manned w #Russian army soldiers. Ask ppl not to leave the city. Promise jobs.

    "Realpolitik" if you are referring to the German term as it was used by Brandt--entails a totally different meaning that just plain being stupid as a foreign policy--this ties into the Russian strategy of "believing one's own propaganda"---always a great idea.

    Let's see;

    1. Putin will have to take care of the south-east region for months/years to come---meaning food, water, jobs and get the electricity and water flowing much like he had to do in the Crimea but now cannot do

    2. he has to get the economy going when he is having problems with that in the Crimea otherwise the locals will truly doubt it was worth it--plus the looting, robbing, killing and torturing by the separatists not the Ukrainian Army has to be explained away as what a separatist strategy in largely ethnic Russian area?

    3. if literally driving the Ukraine out of it's non aligned status and fully into the EU---great goal there

    4. if finally awakening NATO and fully focusing NATO on the from Russian out loud spoken nuclear and UW threats---great move there as well

    5. if convincing most Europeans that Russia cannot be trusted on anything--well another great move

    6. if destroying your own economy is a strategy---massive more on that strategy

    7. having your banking system come to a stand still is what---worth it all?

    8. having the Gazprom delivery contracts openly challenged in court--great move there as well

    So again what do you mean by "realpolitik"? As I see nothing of that in the Russian current strategy---all I see is stupidity caused by an altered state of believing one's own propaganda.
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