Ukraine: military (Aug '14 to mid-June '15) closed

[OUTLAW 09]

Putin could drive a tank corps through the holes in your logic. On the one hand, you claim that Russia is a criminal, rogue, irrational state (armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons) and hell-bent on building a New Russia - and then on the other, you claim that escalation economic sanctions leading to the fiscal ruin of Russia will produce rational, favorable outcomes in Russian behavior.

Feel free to close that gap at any time.

AP---regardless of how you spin it--you do realize Russia is in an undeclared war with the Ukraine fought with Russian troops and irregulars using UW in support to it's political warfare to the tune of 15K fighters --the figure given by the irregulars themselves who are receiving MRL/artillery strike support almost daily by the Russian Army firing into the Ukraine and Russia is actively sending in heavy weapons.

So again you do know what an undeclared war is and the same for political warfare and you know as well the new Russian UW military doctrine-with all eight steps of which we are seeing currently the first four steps in play-right?

You plead for negotiations and do not want a war---negotiations over what and if you think the sanctions will not work as you seem to state --so again AP what is left for you to suggest as solutions.

Sell apples on the street and use the money to purchase back the Crimea and eastern Ukraine?

Come on AP you have got to have better solutions--especially since the article you referenced is really a disguised lanced Russian land for land proposal and this is what the "success" of negotiations --ask the Ukrainians if they think it will work?

Again you do know what an undeclared war is right?

[OUTLAW 09]

IMO this thread is a waste of time as it is spinning around in a circle.

In some aspects this was foreseen by JMA when the proposals to expand the topics was made.

It is difficult often to keep track on multiple threads on the same topic/sub topics as actually many comments bleed into others so one loses easily the oversight.

Actually the events in the Ukraine are running it's course anyway until the dust settles by winter.