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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian mercenaries reach a new height in the "altered state of reality" game.

    Now they are back to 1918. Seems they missed Putin using the term "New Russia".

    Donetsk rebels yesterday voted to proclaim themselves successors of the Donetsk-Krivorozhsk republic of 1918-19 http://dnr-sovet.su/155-memorandum-d...reemstvennosti
    MAYBE this is not as crazy as it initially sounded---this was released if one thinks about it ---just before the German/French meeting with Putin today and if you see the territorial gains (Putin newly proposed Minsk demarcation lines)that Putin evidently secretly sent to the Germans and French and if the "separatist" mercenaries declared themselves a "republic" THEN Putin solves several problems;

    1. he cannot be accursed of "annexation"
    2. the global community could recognize a "new republic" easier than say an annexed part of another country
    3. he gets a pat on the back for defending Russians
    4. he gets the sanctions taken off Russia
    5. he gets a land corridor to the Crimea via Odessa---check the 1918 map below
    6. he effectively "controls" Ukraine

    So really a win win concept---will be interesting to see where this trial balloon leads.

    Especially since the Russian info war machine has in the last week or so started using the term "fighting for their independence" when referring to their supported "separatists" and the old term was to associated to actually either mercenaries or Russian troops.

    Russia changes plan from Novorossiya to Donetsk-Kryviy Rih Republic http://goo.gl/OhXqSg pic.twitter.com/FsrPI0K9Iz

    THEN this comes up on the net for the first time today---you will notice the two towns are also on the 1918 map:

    Donetsk Republic wants to expand territory to Harkiv and Herson. Memorandum today http://www.ostro.org/general/society/news/463860/
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    Disturbing if indeed true:

    A very limited amount of high ranking US officials had seen Putin's plan, hardly anybody knows what's there

    Why is it that only a very few know about this offer? What was there to hide?

    The security Council revealed new data on the Russian: 21 divisions are fighting in Ukraine pic.twitter.com/EOWB4j7q5v http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...ed-new-data-on

    Secondly, Kerry made comments yesterday in Kyiv to the fact that Russia troops are in a C&C role and or "specialists".

    IF true then units from 21 different Russian active army brigades seems to be more than just a C&C role---WHY is there an attempt to create through "fog of war" that the Russian troop numbers are far fewer than they might actually be?
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    Tymchuk: Special purpose detachment (70 troops) of former Russian MID servicemen sent to #Debaltseve. Unian 6 Feb http://www.unian.info/politics/10410...ebaltseve.html

    Russian forces further intensify their assault on eastern #Mariupol.
    Sartana,Priovrazhnogo,Nikolayevka, Pavlopil + Gnutove hit

    Russian Forces from Chelyabinsk going fishing in Donbas http://m.censor.net.ua/video_news/32...metrov_boeviki

    Oleksandr Syvyi,paramedic.Missing after #Illovaysk ,found alive in #Moscow jail. pic.twitter.com/jIo6A7XLMo

    Stratfor Chart: Russia's Main Security Services http://social.stratfor.com/NkG pic.twitter.com/jG7cy2WJXb

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    I have made a number of comments here concerning the three geo political goals that are currently driving Putin via his new UW strategy.

    1.one being the discrediting of NATO

    Roland Oliphant @RolandOliphant
    Former Nato Sec Gen says Putin's war aim is to discredit the north Atlantic alliance. Conceivable. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ato-chief.html

    Secondly, I have often asked the question would the US/EU/NATO pull the trigger on Article 5 if a group of local Russian speakers rose up demanding more civil rights for themselves and their language?---My answer has always been no.

    Robert Coalson ✔ @CoalsonR
    Rasmussen on hybrid war and, by implication, why NATO might have to rewrite Article V. http://goo.gl/JMPHF8

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    Russian army carryies out large-scale military exercises near Ukrainian border
    http://uatoday.tv/geopolitics/russia...er-407623.html … pic.twitter.com/T9VwDUrf47

    Ukrainian land backs Ukrainian defenders, literally: Russian forces are stuck in the mud near #Debaltseve, pic.twitter.com/Y5S2FKHVjS

    No Russian fighters in eastern Ukraine?
    Tombstone in Chechnya of fallen Russian soldiers which fought in Donbas
    pic.twitter.com/lHvKnmHZKH

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Disturbing if indeed true:

    A very limited amount of high ranking US officials had seen Putin's plan, hardly anybody knows what's there

    Why is it that only a very few know about this offer? What was there to hide?

    The security Council revealed new data on the Russian: 21 divisions are fighting in Ukraine pic.twitter.com/EOWB4j7q5v http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...ed-new-data-on

    Secondly, Kerry made comments yesterday in Kyiv to the fact that Russia troops are in a C&C role and or "specialists".

    IF true then units from 21 different Russian active army brigades seems to be more than just a C&C role---WHY is there an attempt to create through "fog of war" that the Russian troop numbers are far fewer than they might actually be?
    So far #Ukraine has killed & taken dog tags from #Russia soldiers from 21 of 36 existing Russian Army brigades... pic.twitter.com/qMnuLz8d8g

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    Great open source OSINT analysis project where everyone can contribute driven by bellingcat.

    Brief look at the first days of the @bellingcat Ukraine conflict vehicle tracking project. https://www.bellingcat.com/resources...ct-first-days/ … pic.twitter.com/q3ChNRQWaS

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    Watch this video: lots of #Russia Special Forces & officers with blurred faces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlIzHEnf70 … pic.twitter.com/CWpdPXPBQl

    The Ukrainian interior ministry says "several hundred" Russian troops were killed in #Zholobok over the last days.
    But they still hold it...

    #Russia|n fascist #Dugin w/ #Strelkov & oligarch Malofeev - who bankrolls RF-backed forces in #Ukraine
    @A_SHEKH0VTS0V pic.twitter.com/Xo9Svrd0AQ

    @Conflict_Reportthis terrorist unit "August" was completely destroyed, casualties -27 tanks. Information from their side.

    Russian forces tried to storm #Krymske with "tanks, mortars and artillery units" today.
    All efforts were repulsed. - ATO command

    #News
    Despite the truce agreement, Troits'ke, Redkodub, Debaltseve, Sanzharovku, Mius and Chernukhin were bombed with artillery today.

    #Russia'n tank after shelling of "Pion". pic.twitter.com/xxpX1GK474 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...lling-of-pion-

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    #Russian APC BPM-97 #Vystrel #302 taking part in terrorist attack on #Debaltseve
    http://youtu.be/FPlIzHEnf70?t=6m34s … pic.twitter.com/Ojjit6OI7B

    Convoy of Russian self-propelled artillery in Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...ery-in-donetsk … pic.twitter.com/VJmFbdrulC

    Tactical signs and H2200 markers of Russian tanks are now sprayed with paint. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlIzHEnf70 … #Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/PYFmPkxtgJ

    #Russia|n Mechanized Infantry fighting around #Debaltseve. Modern Russian vehicles present.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlI...utu.be&t=6m34s

    Ukraine has been the testbed of the new Russian army. Interesting expert comment from @chathamhouse http://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/c...BI3M9E,BCX08,1

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    Putin has never come off his three geo political goals since Crimea.
    1. split US from the EU
    2. discredit NATO
    3. discredit EU

    Putin splits West with peace plan for Ukraine, sidelining EU as Foreign Policy Actor, US, UK and Poland http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...cle4345871.ece

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    "This chart shows all of the #submarine|s currently in the #Russian #Navy". http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...s-chart-2015-2

    Canada at NATO ✔ @CanadaNATO
    #Russia puts mobile ballistic missile launchers on combat patrol missions in 6 regions. http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-.../26833523.html … pic.twitter.com/aWPOFnuzpS

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    Russian mercenaries claimed aloud today they were taking Debaltseve civilians to Donetsk to avoid the Ukrainian shellings.

    Donetsk: it's the place not to be! MT @mashant AFP in Debaltseve today saw 20 buses sent to evacuate people to DNR, 19 of them left empty.

    Evacuation to Donetsk. Empty buses. Guess what? Nobody wants to live in Russian world. pic.twitter.com/k9HkUX7TDL
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    Kamaz 43269 from #Russia|n military Intelligence unit h/66431 spotted in #Debaltseve #Ukraine
    http://youtu.be/FPlIzHEnf70?t=6m32s … pic.twitter.com/l7yrq5kn3y

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    You have to hand the President and his NSC a round of applause for the creative use of Webster’s.

    First it was the bumbling attempts to not define what is occurring when one country illegally sends men, heavy weapons and supplies directly across an international border ---declared an “incursion” vs what it really is “an invasion”.

    Now the term “strategic patience”---which is exactly what again?

    If anyone has been exercising “strategic patience” it has been the Ukrainians who had large chucks of their territory annexed and or is in the process of being annexed all the while firmly believing that US/UK/Russian signed agreements provided them some sort of protection ie the Budapest Memorandum.

    Then we have a Russian leader tied directly to a new form of Russian ethno nationalism ie fascism that has not come off of his three key geo political goals, 1) disconnecting the US from Europe, 2) discrediting NATO and 3) discrediting the EU all under the guise of his new UW strategy since the Crimea. By the way Russian leaders, politicians and ROC leaders have been using the term "Holy War" far to often lately.

    Then we have a Russian leader who has violated just about all of any Soviet/Russian signed treaties, agreements, memorandums since the 1970s starting with the Final Helsinki Act to the now Russian signed Minsk Agreement which they never intended to implement.

    Then we have two major Russia supported offenses since August against the Ukraine with heavy weapons, troops and munitions with all the evidence being provided by social media bloggers and their open source analysis---not a single word out of the billions used to support the IC by the way.

    Then we have the Russian leader and his FM outright lying to the West at every opportunity with the latest being stating “we will pull the mercenaries back to the Minsk demarcation line and we support any immediate solution to stop the fighting” after the 31 civilians were killed by Russian shellings.

    So again I ask just what is the US strategy of this NSC and White House as it seems that “strategic patience" is just another term for not doing anything and hoping that the problem will simply disappear.

    Kerry Delivers Hot Air Speech To Ukraine While Putin Supplies Tanks, Missiles And Troops http://onforb.es/1zXmmag

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    #Donetsk, Ilyicha Ave: #Russian tracked SP artillery mounts.
    via @24todaynetua @BanderaLife http://youtu.be/hV8-F9LXA7k

    "Local Rebels" near Vuhlehirsk from Chita & Ulan-Ude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqV...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/sYvlqt5t82

    Rus+ terrorist troops stopped offensive attempts near #Debaltseve. Keep shelling w/ artillery, regroup forces https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymc...35537709908221

    Militants fired w/ mortars at Hnutove from uncontrolled Zaichenko, Oktyabr. 1 civilian killed http://marsovet.org.ua/news/show/id/8299 … pic.twitter.com/uCjFVUAdeO

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    You have to hand the President and his NSC a round of applause for the creative use of Webster’s.

    First it was the bumbling attempts to not define what is occurring when one country illegally sends men, heavy weapons and supplies directly across an international border ---declared an “incursion” vs what it really is “an invasion”.

    Now the term “strategic patience”---which is exactly what again?

    If anyone has been exercising “strategic patience” it has been the Ukrainians who had large chucks of their territory annexed and or is in the process of being annexed all the while firmly believing that US/UK/Russian signed agreements provided them some sort of protection ie the Budapest Memorandum.

    Then we have a Russian leader tied directly to a new form of Russian ethno nationalism ie fascism that has not come off of his three key geo political goals, 1) disconnecting the US from Europe, 2) discrediting NATO and 3) discrediting the EU all under the guise of his new UW strategy since the Crimea. By the way Russian leaders, politicians and ROC leaders have been using the term "Holy War" far to often lately.

    Then we have a Russian leader who has violated just about all of any Soviet/Russian signed treaties, agreements, memorandums since the 1970s starting with the Final Helsinki Act to the now Russian signed Minsk Agreement which they never intended to implement.

    Then we have two major Russia supported offenses since August against the Ukraine with heavy weapons, troops and munitions with all the evidence being provided by social media bloggers and their open source analysis---not a single word out of the billions used to support the IC by the way.

    Then we have the Russian leader and his FM outright lying to the West at every opportunity with the latest being stating “we will pull the mercenaries back to the Minsk demarcation line and we support any immediate solution to stop the fighting” after the 31 civilians were killed by Russian shellings.

    So again I ask just what is the US strategy of this NSC and White House as it seems that “strategic patience" is just another term for not doing anything and hoping that the problem will simply disappear.

    Kerry Delivers Hot Air Speech To Ukraine While Putin Supplies Tanks, Missiles And Troops http://onforb.es/1zXmmag
    #Merkel at #MSC2015: the foundations of the European peaceful order cannot be taken for granted. The use of force becomes a bitter reality.

    @GeorgKleine
    It should be clear to everyone by now: Putin wants a military solution. Is the West prepared to react ? Have my doubts.
    Who would give up nukes if cannot guarantee terr integrity & sovereignty asks #Merkel underscoring nonpro implications of #Ukraine #MSC2015

    Merkel: Russian actions in Ukr are in stark contradiction to its CSCE and Budapest obligations. Borders in Europe must remain inviolable

    Russian treaty/agreement violations up to now and it does not take in their INF violations---and all agreements were signed by Russia
    Helsinki Declaration '75
    Alma Ata Protocol '91
    Budapest Memorandum '94
    Kharkiv Accords '10
    Minsk Agreement '14
    Minsk Ceasefire Nov '14
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 02-07-2015 at 10:15 AM.

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    Ukrainian soldiers : "Irregulars are All killed. We are fighting Only against the Russian Army. What peace plan? Western media silent" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIVrj3raCeY … …

    The fighting here has always been relentless" - Watch: @Henry_Langston's latest dispatch from Pisky https://news.vice.com/video/a-villag...te-dispatch-91

    Tymchuk UPD 6/2: around 80 terrorists killed under #Debastseve, most are #Russia citizenshttp://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/ … pic.twitter.com/oos3goDUX0

    #Russians smuggle their scrap metal out of #Ukraine into #Rostov area, #Russiahttp://ino.to/1zWobCK pic.twitter.com/uqAOMSU782

    Out of 600 refugees from #Debaltseve only 30 flee to #Russia. West media silent. @novostidnua http://novosti.dn.ua/details/244530/ pic.twitter.com/2tyVd7Xgqj

    Timur Kovalskiy, mercenary from Almaty (Kazakhstan). Attacks #Debaltseve 4 Russia pic.twitter.com/yUvbwRv5xB via @RUopol4enec

    Need proof that Russia is coordinating the anti-Ukrainian attacks? Here it is - the BPM-97: http://bit.ly/1vwknrL pic.twitter.com/A1HUi68rEg

    #Kremlin is using minorities of Russian Federation as cannon fodder in #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/qm9e6EBNv8

    #Russian armoured fighting #vehicles in #Ukraine war.
    pic.twitter.com/VozVQ1KAP2


    Interview with US General:
    "hybrid warfare is all about creating ambiguity, giving people who don’t want to believe it an excuse to not believe
    " http://www.wsj.com/articles/weekend-...ref=/home-page

    Video Taken By Separatist Fighters Shows Russian Border Patrol Vehicles 114 km inside Ukrainehttp://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...nnounced/#6718 … pic.twitter.com/Sj2chp7lC9

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    I have been commenting here for months that a bunch of black flag waving jihadi's inside and this is critical inside Syria and Iraq were by far not as dangerous to the US as an "altered state of reality leader" with his finger on the nuclear trigger who has effectively ended the concept of MAD.

    AND now it appears at least the Brits realize it suddenly--somewhat to late.

    Surprisingly--- while it has all been there to read since 2012 in the Russian media.

    UK Defense Minister Fallon: Russia "may have lowered the threshold for use of nuclear" arms http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...clear-strategy … pic.twitter.com/2DpiMvKRJ8

    UK Concerned Over 'Threatening' Russian Nuclear Strategy http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...clear-strategy

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    Again--this is exactly where Putin is headed as it brings him a win win.

    Uh-oh: Donetsk rebels claim historical continuity w/1918 Donetsk-Krivoy Rog republic... much bigger than current #DNR http://uk.businessinsider.com/putin-...epublic-2015-2

    Russia is steadily pushing further into Ukrainian territory and people are concerned that arming Ukraine will escalate the conflict?

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    SBU intercepted conversations. The #DNR must send hundreds of dead Russian soldiers to Rostov. http://by24.org/2015/02/07/hundreds_..._from_ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/58fpfaKyBY

    Collected Russian passports from killed Russian soldiers in Ukraine pic.twitter.com/hKd460YfqW
    pic.twitter.com/Bt2tsfJ0bP

    What peace talks?Fighting in E.Ukraine hasn't stopped,Russian troops regroup in Debaltseve,latest by @DmitryTymchuk https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymc...35537709908221

    ATO Spox- #Russia forces preparing to attack on two fronts #Debaltseve,#Mariupol http://society.lb.ua/war/2015/02/07/...tupleniyu.html … #Ukraine
    pic.twitter.com/Iw1Ry1Zw2h

    Firing of artillery heard even in Kramatorsk for first time this afternoon. Don´t know what that could signify.

    Who is "unmarked"?!
    #Russian_army forces in #Makeevka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlOmc1d_Yw4
    pic.twitter.com/KBoVFNCRo3

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