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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQgxPAq6_Mhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannerheim_Line … Remember #USSR's "civil war" on #Finland?#Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/C2aAxwL6Us

    #Footage
    The Russian frontline in #Sanzharivka, north of #Debaltseve.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQgxPAq6_M
    pic.twitter.com/tfaVswyiPY

    Hope this is wrong. MT @PaulGoble1 Moscow Patriarchate Said Opening Way for #Kadyrov to Succeed Putin http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com...ening-way.html

    Security Service captured terrorists who coordinated attacks on #Shchastya Power Plant http://lugansk-news.com/security-ser...a-power-plant/ … pic.twitter.com/77zaCOIZup

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    Not exactly sure why this administration and it's NSC still refuses to send defensive lethal aid to the Ukraine as they have full rights under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the fact that Russia has violated Ukrainian sovereignty which they stated they would protect.

    Defensive aid such as ATMs because the UA is getting overrun by over 500 Russian tanks, counter battery radars, radio jammers and drones---the UA has not asked for boots on the ground as have the Iraqi's.

    It would as well show to the world that the US at least attempts to hold to the agreements they signed with other countries.

    The question is not do we completely rebuild the UA or do we supply just enough defensive weapons that allows the UA to hold the demarcation lines forcing the Russian costs of manpower to really climb above what they are now in order to truly get Russia to implement what it signed in Minsk AND to show Putin there is in fact a true limit to the Western patience of his falsehoods.

    There seems to be a disconnect with Merkel's thinking as she assumes the weapons are to be used to defeat the entire Russian Army-not-----rather they are to be used to drive the loses in manpower to the point that the negotiation table is more preferable and by holding the Minsk demarcation line it just reinforces the Minsk Protocols and potentially reduces the shellings of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces ie troops and their supported mercenaries.

    Head of @USArmyEurope tells @WSJ
    #Russia mobilizing for war they expect in 5/6 years”
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/weekend-...ont-1423266333

    Dead silence in the room when @IlvesToomas asks A. Merkel how far will Russia go if not stopped. Poroshenko nods. #MSC2015

    #Russia sends weapons and troops into #Ukraine, but #Lavrov blames the #US and #EU for the escalation. How to react to such blatant lies?

    #Russia's Kosachyov takes hybrid warfare to #MSC2015: "No troops in #Ukraine. No evidence. We haven't done anything. Internal conflict
    Lavrov ends, pissed off that people are openly laughing at him: "Laugh if you want, it is good for you and will prolong your life." #MSC2015

    extraordinary to watch the crowd in Munich laughing out loud at the Russian foreign minister and a Russian MP

    Most worrying thing is suspicion that Lavrov, Kosachev, even Putin are not just cynical but genuinely believe their own fantasy. #MSC2015

    “Are you worried about upsetting people who lie to your face?” @LindseyGrahamSC asks #Merkel regarding arms for #Ukraine. #MSC2015

    Referencing Russian FMs MSC15 comments today:
    "You’re legitimizing this garbage. You need to push back," @LindseyGrahamSC tells #MSC15 after standard #Russia denial of #Ukraine invasion


    #Merkel at #MSC2015: I cannot envisage any situation in which an improved Ukrainian army will convince Putin that he will lose militarily.

    Merkel: Direct violence is just a small part of hybrid warfare so we need to find our own instruments to influence Russia
    "Surrender or arm Ukraine" says @IlvesToomas. Merkel: don't agree. Essential to focus more on non-military aspects of hybrid warfare #MSC15

    “Fredrick the Great: Diplomacy without arms is like music without instrument”,”Can Ukr. volunteers stand against Russian special forces?”- remarks to Merkel
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 02-07-2015 at 03:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not exactly sure why this administration and it's NSC still refuses to send defensive lethal aid to the Ukraine as they have full rights under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the fact that Russia has violated Ukrainian sovereignty which they stated they would protect.

    Defensive aid such as ATMs because the UA is getting overrun by over 500 Russian tanks, counter battery radars, radio jammers and drones---the UA has not asked for boots on the ground as have the Iraqi's.

    It would as well show to the world that the US at least attempts to hold to the agreements they signed with other countries.

    The question is not do we completely rebuild the UA or do we supply just enough defensive weapons that allows the UA to hold the demarcation lines forcing the Russian costs of manpower to really climb above what they are now in order to truly get Russia to implement what it signed in Minsk AND to show Putin there is in fact a true limit to the Western patience of his falsehoods.

    There seems to be a disconnect with Merkel's thinking as she assumes the weapons are to be used to defeat the entire Russian Army-not-----rather they are to be used to drive the loses in manpower to the point that the negotiation table is more preferable and by holding the Minsk demarcation line it just reinforces the Minsk Protocols and potentially reduces the shellings of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces ie troops and their supported mercenaries.

    Head of @USArmyEurope tells @WSJ
    #Russia mobilizing for war they expect in 5/6 years”
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/weekend-...ont-1423266333

    Dead silence in the room when @IlvesToomas asks A. Merkel how far will Russia go if not stopped. Poroshenko nods. #MSC2015

    #Russia sends weapons and troops into #Ukraine, but #Lavrov blames the #US and #EU for the escalation. How to react to such blatant lies?

    #Russia's Kosachyov takes hybrid warfare to #MSC2015: "No troops in #Ukraine. No evidence. We haven't done anything. Internal conflict
    Lavrov ends, pissed off that people are openly laughing at him: "Laugh if you want, it is good for you and will prolong your life." #MSC2015

    extraordinary to watch the crowd in Munich laughing out loud at the Russian foreign minister and a Russian MP

    Most worrying thing is suspicion that Lavrov, Kosachev, even Putin are not just cynical but genuinely believe their own fantasy. #MSC2015

    “Are you worried about upsetting people who lie to your face?” @LindseyGrahamSC asks #Merkel regarding arms for #Ukraine. #MSC2015

    Referencing Russian FMs MSC15 comments today:
    "You’re legitimizing this garbage. You need to push back," @LindseyGrahamSC tells #MSC15 after standard #Russia denial of #Ukraine invasion


    #Merkel at #MSC2015: I cannot envisage any situation in which an improved Ukrainian army will convince Putin that he will lose militarily.

    Merkel: Direct violence is just a small part of hybrid warfare so we need to find our own instruments to influence Russia
    "Surrender or arm Ukraine" says @IlvesToomas. Merkel: don't agree. Essential to focus more on non-military aspects of hybrid warfare #MSC15

    “Fredrick the Great: Diplomacy without arms is like music without instrument”,”Can Ukr. volunteers stand against Russian special forces?”- remarks to Merkel
    At least one US General "get's it" and is not afraid to speak truth to power.

    US Army Europe commander: "You can’t provoke #Russia. They’re already on a path to do what they want to do." http://www.wsj.com/articles/weekend-...ont-1423266333

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    Russian forces concentrate troops on front line, leaving their rear territories empty; attacks at UA checkpoints 31,29 have been intensified

    Large Russian army forces realignment in the area. Is a rear attack planned?
    https://www.facebook.com/vasylart/po...38299089780274

    #News
    Russian forces conducted 29 Grad, mortar and artillery attacks along the entire front last night.
    Shchastya, Toinke, Hranitne etc etc


    VIDEO #Putin DNR/LNR-Whatever "LOCAL MILITIA" from #RUSSIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqVRc3LNZY
    pic.twitter.com/0hwdkwC3lZ

    Russia regroups its forces on RU territory near Derkul, Ushakovka pic.twitter.com/oCNHU5iRdk

    #Russia FM preparing to send (MORE) "PEACEKEEPERS" into #Ukraine http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...tm&prev=search … #Donetsk #Debaltseve #Luhansk pic.twitter.com/mbHpfpXsj3

    "Watch an incredibly moving story of a Russian fighting for Ukraine.
    … pic.twitter.com/jQySLzsbe4" http://ow.ly/IEORP

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    Russian FM Lavrov and Putin keep repeating "show us the evidence" that Russians are in the Ukraine.

    THEN this at the MSC 2015:

    #Poroshenko shows Russian passports and IDs of "LNR/DNR" militants #MSC2015 http://youtu.be/oHZKYHCDy9Q pic.twitter.com/G7gkh2LYa2

    #Poroshenko flashes the passports of #Russia's "lost his way" troops in #Ukraine. #MSC2015 pic.twitter.com/lJEnMhL8Ma

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not exactly sure why this administration and it's NSC still refuses to send defensive lethal aid to the Ukraine as they have full rights under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the fact that Russia has violated Ukrainian sovereignty which they stated they would protect.

    Defensive aid such as ATMs because the UA is getting overrun by over 500 Russian tanks, counter battery radars, radio jammers and drones---the UA has not asked for boots on the ground as have the Iraqi's.

    It would as well show to the world that the US at least attempts to hold to the agreements they signed with other countries.

    The question is not do we completely rebuild the UA or do we supply just enough defensive weapons that allows the UA to hold the demarcation lines forcing the Russian costs of manpower to really climb above what they are now in order to truly get Russia to implement what it signed in Minsk AND to show Putin there is in fact a true limit to the Western patience of his falsehoods.

    There seems to be a disconnect with Merkel's thinking as she assumes the weapons are to be used to defeat the entire Russian Army-not-----rather they are to be used to drive the loses in manpower to the point that the negotiation table is more preferable and by holding the Minsk demarcation line it just reinforces the Minsk Protocols and potentially reduces the shellings of Ukrainian civilians by Russian forces ie troops and their supported mercenaries.

    Head of @USArmyEurope tells @WSJ
    #Russia mobilizing for war they expect in 5/6 years”
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/weekend-...ont-1423266333

    Dead silence in the room when @IlvesToomas asks A. Merkel how far will Russia go if not stopped. Poroshenko nods. #MSC2015

    #Russia sends weapons and troops into #Ukraine, but #Lavrov blames the #US and #EU for the escalation. How to react to such blatant lies?

    #Russia's Kosachyov takes hybrid warfare to #MSC2015: "No troops in #Ukraine. No evidence. We haven't done anything. Internal conflict
    Lavrov ends, pissed off that people are openly laughing at him: "Laugh if you want, it is good for you and will prolong your life." #MSC2015

    extraordinary to watch the crowd in Munich laughing out loud at the Russian foreign minister and a Russian MP

    Most worrying thing is suspicion that Lavrov, Kosachev, even Putin are not just cynical but genuinely believe their own fantasy. #MSC2015

    “Are you worried about upsetting people who lie to your face?” @LindseyGrahamSC asks #Merkel regarding arms for #Ukraine. #MSC2015

    Referencing Russian FMs MSC15 comments today:
    "You’re legitimizing this garbage. You need to push back," @LindseyGrahamSC tells #MSC15 after standard #Russia denial of #Ukraine invasion


    #Merkel at #MSC2015: I cannot envisage any situation in which an improved Ukrainian army will convince Putin that he will lose militarily.

    Merkel: Direct violence is just a small part of hybrid warfare so we need to find our own instruments to influence Russia
    "Surrender or arm Ukraine" says @IlvesToomas. Merkel: don't agree. Essential to focus more on non-military aspects of hybrid warfare #MSC15

    “Fredrick the Great: Diplomacy without arms is like music without instrument”,”Can Ukr. volunteers stand against Russian special forces?”- remarks to Merkel

    Why is it that the Ukrainian President has a clearer understanding of the relationship of defensive weapons equaling diplomacy chances.

    President @Poroshenkoeng: "The lack of defensive capability triggers offensive attacks and brings escalation."

    We need a clear strategic concept to address hybrid warfare says @Poroshenko echoing #NATO officials in their own internal debates #MSC2015


    A Ukrainian young leader asked Lavrov: What guarantees he gives if Minsk agreement works to reach peace? A vague answer on Kyiv-Rebel talks

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    Addressed to Obama
    #Merkel: "Give diplomacy a chance before you send lethal aid to Kyiv". Can we treat this as an admission that things aren't working so far?

    Lavrov: Cold War was a huge mistake by the West. pic.twitter.com/S5HHuWYJO4

    Edward Lucas ✔ @edwardlucas
    I ask Lavrov why Russian warplanes fly with transponders switched off, endangering civilian aviation -- he dodges question, unsurprisingly

    #Lavrov blames close calls in air to frozen ties with West. #NATO violates #Russia air space "immeasurably" more often than Russians do.

    Striking moment. Lavrov emphasized there always were hidden ideas to achieve final win in the Cold War

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    Carl Bildt ✔ @carlbildt Well respected former Swedish FM
    Lavrov accuses EU of “supporting coup d’etat” in Kiev. I hope he feels somewhat ashamed of having to market such rubbish. #MSC2015


    Crowd laughs out loud when Lavrov quotes the UN Charter's call for respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity. #MSC2015

    FM Lavrov tells Munich Security Conference #EU-#Russia relations "didn't pass stress test." Well, stress was Russia invasion of #Ukraine

    #Biden to #Putin:don't tell us,show us. Too long talks have been followed by tanks. Core leaders of separatists answerable 2 Putin #MSC2015


    RIGHT!! #Lavrov sure #Russia can be guarantor of agreements on #Ukraine http://24today.net/open/301844

    Carl Bildt ✔ @carlbildt
    Fact: EU offered also Russia to be fully part of its neighbourhood policy when it started in 2003. But Moscow said no. Others went forward


    BREAKING: Russia doesn't want war with anyone, says Putin - @AFP"
    Putin: “We don’t plan to wage war on anybody, we plan to work together [cooperate] with everybody.”
    [Rus]: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/422552

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    #Izvaryne and #Debaltseve are the hottest spots now. Concentration of troops at #Izvaryne. Attack expected Sun-Mon

    Village of #Pisky in east #Ukraine at frontline of fight against Russian-backed militants
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/village-o...ts-407787.html … pic.twitter.com/f1qEAAiQek

    200th Motor-Rifle Brigade from Pechenga/Murmansk region on border to Norway is fighting near Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/WXrDpoJAkF

    More evidence of Russian special forces in Donbas pic.twitter.com/3YEepeV6Fg via @el_roosevelt

    Another evidence of Russian special forces in Donbas pic.twitter.com/hoMdJ1onQQ
    https://vk.com/eduard.merkulov


    Canada at NATO ✔ @CanadaNATO
    "There is little chance the current war will be stopped by negotiations": http://cepa.org/content/why-russia-w...t/europes-edge … pic.twitter.com/czpLniNY5i

    Russian FM: We want peace. There's no tanks behind me. I never lie pic.twitter.com/UccKBqo7fu

    Donetsk People's Republic fighters regained control of #Uglegorsk, on the frontline near #Debaltseve.… http://instagram.com/p/yzwPp2NVny/

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    SBU intercep: blood-curdling procedural scolding of Donetsk rebel shipping dead RU soldiers back to RU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXX4...yer_detailpage
    In summary: Russian handler of arriving dead soldiers complains Donbass send wrong docs mismatching faked Russian death certificates.

    VIDEO #Russia forces using US made high end "GoPro" camera system costing $1000s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHpC8SERnQ … pic.twitter.com/YUIWKy02CP
    Some other pics of this US Made specially built "GoPro" Camera/Drone system pic.twitter.com/e0NGuqrPiX

    Russia's been seething for 25yrs. Lavrov's speech was a diatribe against US policy since. Sincere, for internal hawks, or appeasers?

    Why #Russia's neighbours all distrust/hate it:
    Number of nations oppressed/annexed/attacked by Russia: 23 and growing
    pic.twitter.com/6GfvTuSWzw

    Howitzer 2S7 "Pion" ("Peony") of #Russia arrives in Makeyevka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfaKyE4f64 … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/8OCEiFFOgf

    Support for separatism in southern and eastern #Ukraine is lower than you think
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...han-you-think/ … pic.twitter.com/d4AQIvKlRE

    Some Russians attending @MunSecConf really worry that Russia is losing—or rather, has lost—Germany. My blog: http://ceip.org/1DPEb8E #MSC2015

    Fresh footage of #Russia|ns fighting in eastern #Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHtb...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/BMopzRElBb

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    Russia´s 106th Airborne division from Tula is ready to invade Ukraine while World leaders talk peace pic.twitter.com/YvKQrhuppr

    Militants shell #Debaltseve from “Grad” missile systems and mortars. Ukrainian forces repelled all attacks – Lysenko

    Asserting that there is no military solution shall lead us to believe there is no mil.dimension to war in UA says McCain #MSC2015

    Captured Russian RPO-A "Bumblebee" pic.twitter.com/zCcOhODKdY http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-febru...rpoa-bumblebee

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    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Ukrainian Army finds more evidence of Russian aggression. Confiscated RU-made “Shmel” rocket launcher


    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Ukrainian Armed Forces eliminated 70 insurgents, 4 cars, 4 tanks, 2 self-propelled guns and 2 Grad missile systems


    In #Russia-held #Donetsk, they talk Lebensraum: "Fatherland has no borders."#Ukraine #MSC2015 pic.twitter.com/aGmoSP0soM

    Headline: "Diplomatic failure in Ukraine ‘means war’". So what’s the thing with artillery, tanks, thousands of dead, that’s happening now?Russian forces fire #Grad missiles (probably from Troits'ke).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JzS10Jt2YM
    pic.twitter.com/WrYR470ZQv

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    Mentioned by Russian mercenary unit member:
    "Our Commander is lieutenant-colonel Turnov of the Russian Army"
    http://censor.net.ua/video_news/3237...medium=twitter

    More on hybrid warfare in our #MSC2015 report: https://www.securityconference.de/en...curity-report/

    Electronic Warfare Forces of Russian Federation in Luhansk! @en_informnapalm http://en.inform-napalm.org/nest-ele...fice-building/ … pic.twitter.com/siTfpepQJy

    #Ukraine forces captured #Russia RPO-A "Shmel" flame throwers nr Ridkodub village http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2015/02/0...-na-donbasi--/ … #Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/mWXigzmtiB

    Captain of Russian Army GRU Tretyak identified by @el_roosevelt https://vk.com/dimka_2013 (00:30)here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g05kXeULis

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    This is not the first time that a major organization in the past usually the news media as fallen for Russian disinformation/fake reports--BUT at least the HRW should admit it when "caught" using fake Russian information.

    But again they seem to have fact checking problems on a number of their reports on the Ukraine which in the end turned out to not correct.

    Wonder why the HRW fails at fact checking?

    Kenneth Roth @KenRoth from @HRW falls for Russian propaganda, falsely accusing Ukraine. http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...r-russian.html … pic.twitter.com/tVCYnsJTy7

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    #Russian artillery section was destroyed. via @tombreadley pic.twitter.com/XNXONWCBu9

    Russian media write about Russian casualties in fierce fighting near Debaltseve, East Ukraine tsk area
    http://www.amur.info/news/2015/02/06/89302

    LNR/DNR announced "voluntary mobilization" (=run out of troops again). Leaving aside semantic nonsense it means next batch of troops from RU

    Destroyed Russian convoy near Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-febru...y-near-donetsk … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/csIFzod9uN

    Killed near #Debaltseve militants had identity documents of #Russia.
    via @24todaynetua http://24today.net/open/302511 pic.twitter.com/2PBqGUtAgT

    Another Russian army Pantsir S-1 air defense system in the center of #Luhansk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExDnfT81eZ … pic.twitter.com/rWkalQExQK

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    More details of destroyed #Russia|n convoy/camp near #Donetsk #ukraine https://translate.google.com/transla...napryamku--%2F

    The most Russian Brigades and soldiers in Donbas are from the provinces far away from Moscow : Murmansk,Buryatia,Chechnya,Siberia

    Putin is staging for large-scale envelopment of Stanytsia Luhanska and Shchastya ... heavy concentration of RU forces in Derkul and Luhansk.

    #Russia|n troops from #Millerovo reportedly gathered at #Ukraine border: http://tinyurl.com/o3ukslo pic.twitter.com/sjsvNK9GWA

    Edward Lucas ✔ @edwardlucas
    heres the video of my panel on hybrid warfare at #MSC2105 https://www.securityconference.de/en...ybrid-warfare/

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    "Novorossiya" fans say that Apache helicopters are attacking them near #Debaltseve. They really must be losing badly there.

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    More Russian "altered state of reality" this time from "source"?

    First time the term "source" has been used by Interfax.

    From Interfax today:

    19:45 THE GOAL OF NATO MILITARY BUILDUP UNDER UKRAINE PRETEXT IS TO CRETE GROUND FOR BARGAINING WITH RUSSIA AND TO RETURN TO ITS STARTING POSITION IN TALKS WITH MOSCOW ON ARMS REDUCTIONS IN EUROPE - SOURCE

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    #Pictures of the Russian column that was destroyed in #Donetsk region "today".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5WITo66CVw

    and here from Russian 7th military base in Abkhazia giving presser in Donetsk pic.twitter.com/0LW3bCbWQy
    Suddenly! #Russia|n television showed the truth


    Russian invaders from #Astrakhan in #Donbas.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4mJV2Ocvzg
    pic.twitter.com/4Ke12wCpOr

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has done the impossible: He has unified Europe. http://www.bloombergview.com/article...-against-putin

    #EVIDENCE
    Russian army forces bomb the #Debaltseve front from captured #Vuhlehirsk w/ Nona-K.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwTNrgVKS0k … pic.twitter.com/wrtlDk1i66

    The 2B16 "Nona-K" is a Russian army-only weapon according to http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1786.html

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    Villages near #Mariupol were shelled, 20 houses destroyed, large craters http://hromadskeradio.org/2015/02/08...h-metrov-foto/ … pic.twitter.com/meJzmZPJXr

    3 Russian tanks are burning right now in Novogrigorivka

    BBC busts Russian TV reporting on Donetsk bus attack. Bodies moved around for the camera's http://bbc.in/1Eozt59 pic.twitter.com/EnCojxA0p6

    #Busted!
    Russian invasion forces claim to have taken #Ridkodub but footage is from #Nikishyne

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ErisjMcxlQ … pic.twitter.com/rynXGPYqwt

    Russian places IED(s) on Railroad tracks.
    http://youtu.be/_WnzEyE5tTI pic.twitter.com/ilG4moVfwf

    Councilman from Russian province ain't hiding his volunteering & fighting record in Donbas http://www.znak.com/chel/news/2015-02-07/1035152.html … pic.twitter.com/UKYdv68isX

    The big problem with disseminating increasingly ridiculous propaganda is that, inside the echo chamber, you start to believe your own lies.

    Looks like #Russian BPM-97 Vystrel got burnt near #Debaltseve by #Ukrainian Army. http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2015/02/0...u-napryamku--/ … pic.twitter.com/wZ26w8E7fs
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