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    #BUSTED!
    PRO-RUSSIANs #PHOTOSHOP LUHANSK MLRS ATTACK VIDEO TO "PROVE", #UKRAINE IS TO BLAME.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwTjtsL1Kc … pic.twitter.com/n5kbL8bsqo

    Here's my research on Nevskiye Novosti, employer of Kotsaba, created fake "Ukrainian" sites to spread Kremlin disinfo http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...t-trolls/#5012

    Meanwhile near #Russia's #Krasnador...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0QB4pONezw … pic.twitter.com/630kf9yHnf

    In #Artemivsk & outside #Debaltseve,weary & wounded soldiers hope for peace: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...oint-1.2104959 … #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/y97J4JYkzl

    RUSSIA PUTS AIRBORNE TROOPS ON ALERT IN VOLGOGRAD REGION: Interfax

    #LifeNews recorded carnage along #Russia|n supply route Kalynivka-#Lohvynove; all shown losses are Russian @svarun_01 pic.twitter.com/D9UYKglQ8r

    Russian Soldier from 19th Motor Rifle Brigade in Donbas. Kremlin "you are Not There" https://twitter.com/stabilizec/statu...08568408621056
    #BREAKINGNEWS

    17 Ukrainian troops of all origins injured in battles around #Shyrokyne between 8:20am and 2:45pm today.

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    Now the "altered state of reality" that haunts Russia is hitting Germany.

    Russia:

    Pravda: "Putin will hit USA hard by leaking the real satellite photos of 9/11 that show it was a U.S. Gov/CIA job" http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/nort...015/1247485-0/


    Germany:

    Meanwhile, in Cloud Cuckoo Land: German Foreign Minister speaks for moving on to second phase of Minsk agreements... http://24today.net/open/311678

    There is not even a clearly held to ceasefire in progress---actually the attacks are now at the levels before Minsk 2 and the Germans want to do exactly what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Now the "altered state of reality" that haunts Russia is hitting Germany.

    Russia:

    Pravda: "Putin will hit USA hard by leaking the real satellite photos of 9/11 that show it was a U.S. Gov/CIA job" http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/nort...015/1247485-0/


    Germany:

    Meanwhile, in Cloud Cuckoo Land: German Foreign Minister speaks for moving on to second phase of Minsk agreements... http://24today.net/open/311678

    There is not even a clearly held to ceasefire in progress---actually the attacks are now at the levels before Minsk 2 and the Germans want to do exactly what?
    The more Russia gets bogged down in the Ukraine and Russian military loses in materials and manpower are rocketing the more the Russian leadership and government dives into the world of "an altered state of reality".

    We here are SWJ should actually start a Russian "altered state of reality" thread just listing all comments made by Russian media, politicians, the Russian FM and Putin in order to see how they have swallowed their own propaganda hook line and sinker---and that is dangerous as they no longer can tell the difference between reality and propaganda.

    This is a letter sent by the Russian Duma on 23 January to the Swedish Parliament/politicians and to other European political organizations.

    An extraordinary letter addressed to the European Parliament and the Council of Europe, among other recipients, reportedly sent from the Russian Parliament paints the war in Ukraine as a fight against Nazism and says Russia is ready to “mobilize all forces” to defend stability in Europe, provoking both ridicule and anger in Sweden, after surfacing there this week.

    The sensational letter, signed by the State Duma chairman Sergey Naryshkin, a known hardliner with a close relationship to Putin, warns of a “fragmentation in Europe” and says that continuing sanctions, the crisis in Ukraine, and January’s terror attacks in Paris, jeopardise “the possibility of a peaceful life for over 800 million Europeans”.

    The letter urges European parliamentarians to stop the crisis, and conjures imagery of both the Second World War and the Cold War, reads a translation seen by Newsweek:
    We shall not allow the heirs of this criminal ideology [Nazism] to sow discord and alienation in the European family of nations. Such a split has already once in our common history resulted in death and misery, suffering and ruined fortunes, hunger and devastation..The enormous responsibility for the future of our continent, imposed on members of parliament, leads us to mobilize all forces and means so Europe will henceforth remain a continent of stability and prosperity,” it continues, concluding: “We urge you, ladies and gentlemen, to realize what brink the world is on.
    The letter was addressed to all the national parliaments of Europe, the European Parliament, the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly and the Council of Europe, although its contents has so far only been covered in the Swedish media, after the Russian Embassy there forwarded the letter on to Swedish politicians. It is dated January 23rd, although it has only surfaced this week, coinciding with an important foreign policy debate in Sweden.

    Spokespeople for the European Parliament and the Council of Europe said they were not aware of the letter.

    Several Swedish politicians have expressed their anger at the letter’s threatening tone, and some Swedes go as far to say that it constitutes a threat of war, albeit one couched in diplomatic language. In the same week that the terms of a ceasefire were hashed out in Minsk over the crisis in Ukraine, Swedes are saying the letter is a way of warning Europe to leave Russia to take care of Ukraine.

    Patrik Oksanen, political editor of Swedish daily newspaper Hudiksvalls Tidning, says the letter shows that:
    in indirect words, they are threatening World War Three in Europe. It is not a direct threat, but another instrument of the Russian propaganda.
    Yet Oksanen is concerned that pro-Russian propaganda is growing in Sweden, and is concerned that the slick Russian propaganda machine may be swaying politicians and ordinary people across Europe, particularly those who are more anti-establishment in mindset:
    They are using their influence in both showing their strength that Sweden is weak and trying to influence the politicians and voters that Sweden should get off Russia’s back and not to start any trouble with them, such as by joining NATO.
    Oscar Jonsson, PhD candidate at the Department of War Studies, King’s College London, agrees:
    Propaganda is seen as absolutely crucial to the Russian government both internally and externally. Russians are very good at playing their enemy. This letter fits the Russian narrative very well that Europe is supplying arms to Ukraine to escalate the situation into war, thereby sowing fear amongst European politicians.
    Anke Schmidt Felzmann, a research fellow of the Swedish Institute for Internal Affairs, interprets the letter as scaremongering, and says that even the rhetoric from the Russian foreign ministry has been getting progressively more hostile and unpleasant over the past eight to 10 months:
    They are telling Europeans that there will be a major war in Europe. This is deliberate posturing, and the people of Sweden should be worried by it. What does it mean for us? The message is clear: Russia will not back down and is ready to wage a prolonged war against “the West”, by all possible means.
    Relations between Sweden and Russia have been growing increasingly tense, particularly in the wake of last year’s hunt for a Russian submarine thought to be lurking in the Stockholm archipelago.
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    Kamyshinskaya assault brigade of Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) put on alert, Volgograd region. RIA16 Feb http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150216/1047999808.html
    Shamanov, Cmdr RU Airborne Forces (VDV), places Volgograd paratrooper brigade on alert, combat readiness inspection http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1322342/

    Source video shows mostly #Russia losses along the road, Pegov of LifeNews falsely claims they are #Ukraine losses.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-8sNCpR2I

    Knocked out T80 tank, signature Russian army equipment, nr Olenivka, Donetsk. pic by @MTIClarke pic.twitter.com/NmKqZG0vtp

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqU8RkcE0e0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7J3GN0dUrYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjhX2JeQRrY … Ceasefire? #Debaltseve #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/E8QQaAZaWU
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    Strange twist of fate in the Russian disinformation/propaganda war---they have been reporting heavily from the Debaltseve front and a lot of their video footage they provide to Russian viewers is suppose to be dead Ukrainians soldiers and their destroyed equipment but have been proven to be actually Russian dead and destroyed equipment as they failed to even hide the Russian military unit markings.

    LieNews recorded carnage along Russian supply route Kalynivka-#Lohvynove; all shown losses are Russian pic.twitter.com/O6nsvQQIXA
    See this video: https://twitter.com/DajeyPetros/stat...36619817312256

    GRAPHIC Russian battlegroups roaming around in #Debaltseve area. Many dead and destroyed vehicles. Feb 15th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7J3GN0dUrY

    #Footage
    MASSIVE #Russian_army firepower directed on #Debaltseve
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL72D2Pp1i4
    Feb12 pic.twitter.com/v6kmHAl6yJ

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    RT says Ukraine rejects 'green corridor' out of #Debaltseve. Of course! We all know how that ended at Ilovaisk! pic.twitter.com/U9fZShbgcQ

    More evidence? A platoon of T-72B3 tanks in #Debaltseve only used by #Russia's military:
    pic.twitter.com/X8VS1IHs4O

    #BreakingStatement
    "Our battalion [in #Debaltseve] is surrounded, the general staff does not respond."- 40th Battalion colonel Y. Sinkovsky
    He continues,he might be court-martialed and and made lose his title for disclosing this information,but doesn't care pic.twitter.com/VafKPPdwdb

    16 bazookas. also hand granades. also shotguns... a record terrorist hideaway uncovered in #Odessa Smth. brewing. http://image.inforesist.org/uploads/...35484826_n.jpg
    Another win for the SBU in #Odessa it seems: http://inforesist.org/sbu-izyala-bes...hiya-v-odesse/

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    Naryshkin letter reminds me this.

    http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...est#post162651

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    Surkov proposes to vanish the border between Russia & Abkhazia http://bit.ly/1L3fWpR #Annexion

    #BREAKING
    #Zakharchenko with Russian army troops and Ukrainian army POW near #Debaltseve.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69TZWchxB-Q … pic.twitter.com/A2wIKaqg22

    Hackers claim Oplot militant group created by #Yanukovych's son Oleksandr (the Dentist), Vostok financed by #Akhmetov pic.twitter.com/RwmEsBHKqU

    An internationally brokered ceasefire in Ukraine was broken 139 times on its first day http://trib.al/M77TItb pic.twitter.com/Z3egBnkOpI

    #Russia Navy gunners coerced in2 illegal war tour 2 #Ukraine , told "enemy might assault on RU cities if U refuse". http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,17417333,..._Ukrainie.html

    DNR Says They Will Only Withdraw Artillery From Line Of Contact If Ukraine Does So Simultaneously http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ire-here/#6856

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    Ukrainian General Staff says it controls Debaltseve situation http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...on-380824.html

    Assault on Debaltseve Bulge: Russian Military Equipment in the Camera Lens @en_informnapalm https://en.informnapalm.org/assault-...t-camera-lens/ … pic.twitter.com/ov2A1wMGjY

    No ceasefire nr Mariupol. Village Shyrokyne virtually destroyed.Heavy losses http://uatoday.tv/politics/military-...ol-409745.html … pic.twitter.com/41fPwLv0CO

    The Dnipro Battalion are using home-made drones to spy on the DNR: http://bit.ly/1JireuJ pic.twitter.com/jhmmVt0p7x
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    Another case of serious Russian "altered state of reality".

    Russian propaganda goes full retard again: "#Debaltseve residents report seeing black mercenaries looting."
    http://lifenews.ru/news/150000

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    "Novorossiya TV" reports that NATO is prepping airstrikes against Novorossiya. There's B-roll footage, so it's real.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXSj...utu.be&t=6m56s

    US SAYS CLOSELY MONITORING REPORTS OF COLUMN OF RUSSIAN MILITARY EQUIPMENT MOVING TOWARD DEBALTSEVE - Reuters

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    OSCE-SMM confirms that Col-Gen A. Lentsov, Deputy Commander Russian Ground Forces, is on the ground in Donbas! https://www.facebook.com/oscesmmu/posts/434389906712720

    Russian( proxie)s tried to kill BBC crew @BBCiPannell at Donetsk Airport with mortars http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...-bbc-crew.html … pic.twitter.com/F3qfkQ28qK

    VIDEO #Ukraine shot down #Russia(n) jet powered recon drone nr #Mariupol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFGzPUmZhg … pic.twitter.com/TXzpqKu1N1

    #BREAKING
    #Zakharchenko with Russian army troops and Ukrainian army POW near #Debaltseve.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69TZWchxB-Q … pic.twitter.com/A2wIKaqg22

    As Russian military hospitals fill up, Russian fighters now sent to Kazakh hospitals to keep casualty count secret http://www.uralskweek.kz/2015/02/13/...nye-v-ukraine/

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    It would appear from general outside non political observers that the West has totally failed in their "diplomatic" approach to Putin and the so called "Minsk Agreements" ----just what part of the new Russian UW strategy New Generation Warfare did even the White House miss while reading it if they in fact read it.

    US--we cannot send weapons as we are afraid of Putin's escalations---EU parrots the same thing and presto Putin escalates without weapons being shipped---and this is western leadership?

    Notice even now the total silence of France and Germany and basically the US as well---strange is it not?

    In the first three Ukrainian ceasefires the Ukraine was being pressured by the EU and the US to hold to the ceasefires and even now in Debaltseve they are not even returning artillery fire in support of their surrounded troops.

    How many more Ukrainians must die for the utter lack of western leadership or is it they actually agree with Putin's arguments for annexing all of the Ukraine?


    IF #Debaltseve falls, will so-called 'world leaders' act as if nothing happened and the cease-fire worked, just to continue this farce?

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    NOW: #Ukraine's military spox Lt.Col. Lysenko: Shelling continues, fire has not ceased, we cannot withdraw heavy weapons as per #MinskSummit

    Soldier in #Debaltseve says rebels in outskirts of city, machine gun fire being exchanged. ATO claims road under control, hmmm... #ceasefire

    Kyiv official: Ukrainian positions in Debaltseve attacked 15 times overnight http://24today.net/open/312584 pic.twitter.com/M7Zxaav661

    SEE AND UNDERSTAND!
    Ukrainian ambulance hit by Russian tank between Luhanske and Lohvynove.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Ru3hfAuGg … pic.twitter.com/BLpmeyOKr6

    A Ukrainian military spokesperson has said fighting has broken out on the streets of Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/qrPKMHR0FH
    Urban Warfare Taking Place in #Debaltseve, Ukrainian Police Say

    Reuters: Ukrainian military spokesman says rebels are fighting for control of rail station in Debaltseve Ukrainian troops currently control

    While Ukrainian artillery is silent. Russian spetsnaz has taken parts of #Debaltseve during the Minsk #ceasefirepic.twitter.com/ZFJmJaLe8T

    German journalist @DEmmerich says there is no #Ukraine counter artillery fire from #Debaltseve

    Reports that central police station in #Debaltseve is under #Russia|n control now
    One hour ago,the central police department in #Debaltseve became part of the Rus world. Screaming: Allah hu akbar!" -A.Tsaplienko

    Feb 15,the 1st day of the "ceasefire":Marked RF army MT-LB,BTR-80,T-72B1/B3 enter #Debaltseve
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwvylEZTUI … pic.twitter.com/VIeQ3Sd7TI
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    This has got to be the strangest "altered state of reality" statement made now by the OSCE.

    One has to reread it a couple of times in order to let sink in the definition of a "ceasefire"--or maybe they are using the Russian definition of "ceasefire".

    In #Ukraine, OSCE redefines 'ceasefire' as only attacking each other twice an hour. #Russia's doublethink spreads. pic.twitter.com/CAymclcHGd

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    Timothy Snyder absolutely nails about #Russian mentality, plans & the tactics we see in #Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWAzPCT9iVQ

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    In the run up to Minsk 2 all we heard from the WH and Biden were the statements--" we judge Russia by it's actions not by it's words" then Minsk 2, and now a failed ceasefire and this is all we get from the US.

    Well I guess Biden and Obama got it wrong---they must have meant words are "worth more than actions"?

    US concerned by deterioration of situation in Debaltseve, urges separatists to observe http://24today.net/open/312783 pic.twitter.com/LB7N9WznvB

    "Concerned" is the strongest word they can come up with reference to massive Russian troop and equipment convoys into Debaltseve and Russians fighting there and a true lack of a ceasefire........really "concerned"?

    Putin has got to be cheering these days in Moscow over the US "resolve" shown by Biden, the WH and the entire State Department.

    I guess "words" can be a strategy--for what I am not sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    In the run up to Minsk 2 all we heard from the WH and Biden were the statements--" we judge Russia by it's actions not by it's words" then Minsk 2, and now a failed ceasefire and this is all we get from the US.

    Well I guess Biden and Obama got it wrong---they must have meant words are "worth more than actions"?

    US concerned by deterioration of situation in Debaltseve, urges separatists to observe http://24today.net/open/312783 pic.twitter.com/LB7N9WznvB

    "Concerned" is the strongest word they can come up with reference to massive Russian troop and equipment convoys into Debaltseve and Russians fighting there and a true lack of a ceasefire........really "concerned"?

    Putin has got to be cheering these days in Moscow over the US "resolve" shown by Biden, the WH and the entire State Department.

    I guess "words" can be a strategy--for what I am not sure?
    Well in the last 30 minutes we have gone from "concerned" to at least "urges immediate halt "--what a strange word combination to use when Russian troops and mercenaries are rolling over the so called "ceasefire".

    Notice in the so call diplomatic language there is a failure to mention what will happen if the "urges immediate halt" does not work?

    Radio Liberty: US urges #Russia separatists to 'immediately' halt #Ukraine attackshttp://uatoday.tv/news/radio-liberty...ks-409849.html … pic.twitter.com/DOWCEnfXIr

    Again Russian words seem to count more than their actions for this administration.

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    Here is a really excellent open source analysis of the Russian Army firing from Russia against Ukrainian Army positions in the Ukraine.

    Now if one goes back to the UN Charter as to when a nation can use force to defend itself from an aggressor why is the US still dragging it's feet in using the term war and the other term invasion?

    Amazing what social media types are doing with information coming out of the Ukraine but the US is utterly silent from the IC---wonder why that is?

    More incredible work by @bellingcat - evidence if Ukrainian positions being shelled from Russian territory.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...llery-attacks/


    How is it possible that with over 1300 rocket and artillery strikes from Russian territory into the Ukraine not a single peep/sat photo came out of the US IC and yet the American taxpayer paid billions for new ISR equipment so what was this administration really trying to hide?

    Open source info, painstakingly analyzed by @bellingcat, shows >1350 artillery attacks on Ukraine from Russia
    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...llery-attacks/
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 02-17-2015 at 03:47 PM.

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    40th battalion near Debaltseve almost surrounded, pleads for reinforcements
    http://www.unian.info/war/1045193-40...orcements.html … pic.twitter.com/v4ttsy9y22

    Putin wants to have it both ways: take #Debaltseve claiming its the rebels. Or if #Ukraine counter attacks, accuse it of breaking cease fire

    Photo by Vasily Maximov of them (marines tank riding on the new T72 series) from different angle http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2116130 … pic.twitter.com/tLI2Mm1x1k

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