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    #Ukraine 30th Brig captured 15 #Putin troops + weapons evacuating #Lohyvnove nr #Debaltseve /#Debalsevo #Russia pic.twitter.com/YoocYYNJlf

    I can also confirm, these troops traveled up to 5000 km west to capture the city. pic.twitter.com/Ak9IqdyMyp

    IMAGES #Russia(n) SOLDIERS/UNITS who lead assault on #Debaltseve/#Debaltsevo #Ukraine #Donetsk #Luhansk #Mariupol pic.twitter.com/pc2lOLv7Zu

    Christopher Miller ✔ @ChristopherJM
    As #Ukraine pulls out, have a look at this drone footage of devastated #Debaltseve & #Vuhlehirsk filmed by @ARMY_SOS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBCq8Qok6sA

    Uzhgorod infantry brigade was located very deep in #Debaltseve pocket. Today, they have escaped from the encirclement pic.twitter.com/n95Wh1mknU

    Massive Ukrainian casualties coming in to #Artemivsk today.
    40 dead, 80 wounded delivered so far (hospital and morgue).

    IMAGES #Ukraine troops evacuating from #Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/dhjxf36dHS

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    Interesting how a group of social meda bloggers can even bring the Russian MoD into a conversation they never thought they would have.


    In a Russian video they showed a Russian in a non traditional uniform---half military half civilian filmed giving orders to Ukrainians prisoners---then the social media immediately identified him as the Russian general commanding Russian troops in the Ukraine AND then he himself stated he was never in the Ukraine THEN social media fully exposed him as in fact being the commanding general. In same video he was shown hiding under a strange winter hat and sun glasses--still did not help him hide himself.

    This was a lost Russian info war exchange-which exactly surprised them.

    Let's compare noses! Lentsov's side profile (for trolls and doubters). Looks like the same snozzle to us. pic.twitter.com/MtGwjIs7OR

    .@AricToler's look at a Russian military commander who may be calling the shots in Debaltseve. http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/0...-verification/ … pic.twitter.com/hVe3koy4nM

    In good Russian tradition Lentsov now DENIES he is/was in Debaltseve.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4ZOX5Pwno … pic.twitter.com/j4qX5FsK7D

    Russian General Lentsov (top left) at Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC) in Debaltseve, autumn 2014. pic.twitter.com/l6k69fem7I

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    VIDEO Russian army "Battalion Kalmius" with #Msta_B near #Debaltseve 'retreating heavy weapons'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCIdNR5S7tY

    Now Russia attempts to HOLD to Minsk as they can no longer argue they are not a war participant thus ruling them out of the UN peacekeeper mission.
    Russian rep at UN: Ukraine's plan to deploy UN peacekeepers contradicts Minsk agreements http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1691776.html … pic.twitter.com/0CcH9GukNf

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    Appears that while it appears the UA "lost" the Debaltseve battle because they pulled out but in fact they robbed Russia and the mercenaries a massive propaganda victory and their loses were massive in relationship to the Ukrainian side.

    In the end roughly 2.5K came out of the bulge with a majority of their heavy equipment and looking forward to fighting again.

    The UA has the Russian out foxed with the number of troops in the encirclement---Russians were coming from 8K and are equally stunned that 2.5K put up such a massive resistance fight.

    If one notices Putin and his FM have been totally silent after their constant stream of "surrender" comments---still think they are stunned by the turn of events.

    Now they are on their back feet with the Ukrainian demands for a EU police mission and or UN peacekeeper mission since they are now fully seen as participants and cannot participant under UN requirements.

    Also the southern Mirauipol offensive by the UA was a very well conducted attack to draw the attention after from Debaltseve just long enough to gain time and space and they caught the Russians off guard and inflicted also heavy loses.

    Not bad for a rag tag military---shows what happens when a military fights for it's own civil society---something totally missing in Iraq.
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    So does anyone in this current NSC and WH now doubt what Putin is up to and that the "so called" ceasefire is anything other that a phase inside the Russian New Generation Warfare UW strategy and does in fact "soft power/diplomacy" that is being pushed by this WH "led to success".

    Right now there is no US strategy or even anything remotely resembling a strategy.


    #Confirmation
    Russian invasion forces strengthen their direct assault on #Pisky.
    #Vodyane and #Avdeevka again attacked with Grad missiles.

    Tymchuk: Russian forces are advancing towards Artemivsk, shelling UA positions near Donetsk & deploying AA systems.

    Separatists stepping up attacks on #Shyrokyne. On the way to Mariupol and Crimea, likely Russia's next target after #Debaltseve

    #Shyrokine under mortar and small arms fire 9 times yesterday. Also Lebedinsky and Pavlopil under attack. Multiple wounded

    2nd Battalion of 30th Brigade got out from Debaltseve 20 minutes ago without losses

    Shots still ringing out in Vulhehorsk outside #Debalsteve.The DNR say there are still some Ukrainian positions nearby.
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    And the so called Minsk 2 "ceasefire" shelling and killing from the Russian side is not "ceasing" even after Debaltseve--wonder why?

    Moscow commentator: A Transdniestria-2 in #Donbas wouldn’t be #Russia's victory
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/02/1...ssian-victory/

    Western outskirts of #Donetsk. Loud and intense shelling from the airport

    #Alchevsk morgue. Today in the morning terrorists brought about 50 bodies of "#LPR" members killed near #Debaltseve. pic.twitter.com/OjcX2Ft4c3

    #Footage
    Russian troops man CP east of #Vuhlehirsk to "not let Ukis flee the pockets"...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meF8bpsfrmA … pic.twitter.com/xwO0h2Aywr

    "Local miners pose with their tractor in Donbass" pic.twitter.com/Yqf84qxBS1

    Russian army forces in #Shyrokyne were reinforced with 100 men and 7 armored vehicles from Russia via Novoazovsk yesterday.

    Militants fired 46 times y'day. Over half of that w/ MRLS, artillery. There was an engagement in Pisky (#Donetsk airport area) - ATO Staff

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    90% of Ukr troops have been withdrawn from #Debaltseve - #ATO spox Stelmakh http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/02/19/7059078/
    Also the Russian attack on #Krymske on the banks of the Seversky-Donets resumed heavier than during the last weeks.

    Militia withdraws 20 units of heavy military hardware at three sectors of frontline - #DPR Defense Ministry"
    TWENTY!!!
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    From the chambers of the Russian "smoke and mirrors" school of "altered state of reality"--two great examples today.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    US development & testing of certain ballistic missile defense systems appears to be in violation of the terms of #INF http://sputniknews.com/military/2015...018454786.html

    NOTE: take the time to reread the INF treaty--there is not a single mention in the document about testing and development of anti missile systems as the treaty is for nuclear weapons not normal missiles with normal warheads--there is though a section on the non development of certain nuclear capable weapons types ie cruise missiles with a range greater than allowed AND Russia has in fact violated this part of the INF.

    Smokescreen is all the statement in order to turn the conversation away from their own violations.

    #Churkin: #Kiev’s plans to deploy UN peacekeepers in Donbas give grounds to doubt its commitment to #Minsk agreements

    This is not even real and is a fake---now they blame the Ukraine for calling in a police mission under the UN after Russia rejects the Minsk agreements returning border controls to the Ukraine---there is nothing at all in the Minsk 1 and 2 that evens remotely talks about this.

    It does state that the border control must be returned to the Ukraine and have OSCE monitors which has been rejected by Russia and it does state that there is to be a ceasefire and Russia just keeps on attacking and it does state that all mercenary and Russian troops are to pull out of the Ukraine---never implemented as of yet by Russia so it is now the Ukraine's fault?

    SO it is the Ukraine that is the problem--the Russian UN Ambassador seems to be on a totally different planet.
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    In 2013 Russia said it would attack Ukraine for attempting to join the EU.http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...n-trade-russia … pic.twitter.com/OYfkp4y6QR

    Remember when Putin admitted to planting false evidence that resulted in the US invasion of Iraq? I do. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun18.html

    Putin obsessed about getting Debaltseve during Minsk talks. German newspaper FAZ reconstructs. (DE) http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/a...BildJumpTarget

    Coincidence? 08.02 Puppet DNR declares mobilization of 100,000 men; 18.02 #Russia approves amnesty for 100,000 inmatespic.twitter.com/rSkBKPUlrP
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    Notice how both Russia and their mercenaries are reacting to the Ukraine peacekeeping proposal--it completely negated what they were attempting to "freeze" with Minsk 2 and it does not force the Ukraine to negotiate with the mercenaries which is the Putin plan in order to lend credence to the concept of a "New Russia".

    AND because both Russian troops and their mercenaries are still fighting long after the so called ceasefire they themselves stated they needed an extra 70 hours to implement and that did not occur so thus are in direct violation on Minsk1 and 2 the proposal makes sense to the western leaders and the UN.

    On Wednasday evening Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council supported President Poroshenko's initiative to ask the United Nations to send peacekeeping mission to Ukraine.Russia and Russian-backed militants have already slammed the idea.


    “The best format for us is the police mission of the EU. It will be the most efficient guarantor of security in the situation when the word of peace is not observed either by Russia or those who are supported by it,” Poroshenko said opening the session of the NSDC.
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    Ukraine's parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, is expected to approve the appeal to the UN today, which will give the opportunity to record and localise violations of the ceasefire, Oleksandr Turchynov, the NSDC secretary, said. According to him, Peacekeepers should be deployed along the front line and rebel-controlled border sections with Russia.

    In their turn, Russia and the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic consider the possible deployment of peacekeepers an attempt to violate the Minsk agreements.


    "If some other schemes are proposed, it raises the question of whether the Minsk agreements are going to be adhered to or not," Vitaly Churkin, Russia's envoy to the UN, said.
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    According to him, it is crucial that weapons should be withdrawn. No new initiatives are needed, he added.

    Denis Pushilin, a representative of the so called DPR, called Ukraine's appeal deployment of peacekeepers 'a breach of the package of February, 12 measures obliging Ukraine to negotiate border issues with self-defense forces'.

    Notice how both Russia and their mercenaries avoid the "control of the Russian Ukrainian borders" which is anchored in Minsk.
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    Notice just how badly the Russian and mercenary propaganda has been caught off guard by the UA strategic withdrawal from Debaltseve.

    They had hopes to use the video footages of long lines of UA POWs and KIAs to influence the Ukrainian civil society into quitting the fighting and had as Putin did in Budapest "crowed" about the UA having to "ask for a green corridor" and on and on.

    It was to be such a sure bet super defeat of the UA that is the core reason Putin pushed so hard during the Minsk 2 talks to exclude anything referencing Debltseve---refer to link posted previously in German from the FAZ.

    Then presto yesterday morning virtually no Ukrainian military were to be found in Debaltseve and the mere fact that they had all walked, driven, taxied out of a "surrounded" town is in fact totally embarrassing to both the Russian military intelligence and Putin.

    THEN yesterday---also posted yesterday the DNR starting "claiming" there were over 2-3K KIAs inside the city AND behold even more Ukrainian troops (around 10% more) exfiltrated out over night. There is a still a small pocket or two holding out and still fighting which is strange as they are not close at all to Debaltseve.

    Absolutely no videos were played of the thousands of KIAs on any Russian media--so a fake DNR report.

    THEN this today in the same vein as yesterday's fake propaganda. Notice the numbers are now at 3.5K and it occurred in the "clearance operations"--how can that then be when the Ukrainian troops simply pulled out of their defense positions long before the Russian troops and their mercenaries even got close to them---and that is again a "clearance operation"?

    According to #Zakharchenko some 3,500 Ukrainian soldiers were killed during the 'clearance of #Debaltseve' http://tass.ru/en/world/778610

    AND still no battle videos of all the killed Ukrainians.

    After all the Russian loses ---guess they need to convince themselves it was a "great victory for the motherland".

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    More smoke and mirrors from the Russian military--notice the Greek flag on his uniform sleeve.

    A Russian citizen & Orthodox Jihadist who supports the resurrection of Russian Empire is new "Mayor" of Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/RQjKNJLtBk

    New "Mayor" of Debaltseve in St.Petersburg pic.twitter.com/i6gmtvf0og

    Etnic Greek from Russia Alexander Afendikov now mayor #Debaltseve. Seen on (Orthodoxy or Death) march St. Petersburg pic.twitter.com/cqtxGoBacT

    Interesting historically in that a large number of Greeks fled to Bulgaria and moved on to the Soviet Union when the Communist guerrilla movement failed in Greece after WW2.

    Will post later an article again on the Russian "Holy War" with the West they perceive themselves to be in.

    NOTICE: other religions in this world can in fact be "jihadists" and use the term "Holy War".
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Interesting how a group of social meda bloggers can even bring the Russian MoD into a conversation they never thought they would have.


    In a Russian video they showed a Russian in a non traditional uniform---half military half civilian filmed giving orders to Ukrainians prisoners---then the social media immediately identified him as the Russian general commanding Russian troops in the Ukraine AND then he himself stated he was never in the Ukraine THEN social media fully exposed him as in fact being the commanding general. In same video he was shown hiding under a strange winter hat and sun glasses--still did not help him hide himself.

    This was a lost Russian info war exchange-which exactly surprised them.

    Let's compare noses! Lentsov's side profile (for trolls and doubters). Looks like the same snozzle to us. pic.twitter.com/MtGwjIs7OR

    .@AricToler's look at a Russian military commander who may be calling the shots in Debaltseve. http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/0...-verification/ … pic.twitter.com/hVe3koy4nM

    In good Russian tradition Lentsov now DENIES he is/was in Debaltseve.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4ZOX5Pwno … pic.twitter.com/j4qX5FsK7D

    Russian General Lentsov (top left) at Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC) in Debaltseve, autumn 2014. pic.twitter.com/l6k69fem7I
    Russian Lt. Gen. Lentsov and His Body Double in the "Lugansk People's Republic"http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...-19-2015/#6933 … pic.twitter.com/S2P0FXT2Sz

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    When will the West finally call out Russian war crimes committed on Ukrainian POWS to include executions of POWs---the West is quick to condemn the IS but utterly fails when it is Ukrainians—strange is it not?

    By the way not a single word out of the US/EU/NATO and the OSCE on the GC violations.

    AND by the way in the Minsk 1 and 2 agreements POWS were to be swapped out by next week---anyone see that happening?

    Like predicted 2 days ago Russia will make another POW march in Luhansk today at 4 pm local time http://m.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/..._6940633.shtml

    Large numbers of Ukrainian POWs will be force-marched through Luhansk in a few hours, LNR says. http://m.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/..._6940633.shtml

    Violation of Geneva convention: mistreatment, humiliation, public display of POWs in #Russia-occupied #Ukraine.
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    Most of the so called DNR/LNR areas of eastern Ukraine are heavily damaged from actual Russian and mercenary shellings blamed on the Ukrainians, key infrastructure they destroyed as well and they sent in arms and munitions instead of food in the previous 14 "aid" convoys so actually who would want to reside in the so called "New Russia".

    All not well in #Ukraine areas held by separatists, as visit to #Russia food-aid truck shows
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ts-381191.html … pic.twitter.com/QrWPRDCVMO

    Medvedev " Gazprom will supply South-East Ukraine with humanitarian gas"
    RUSSIAN PRIME MINISTER ORDERS ENERGY MINISTRY, GAZPROM TO WORK OUT PROPOSAL TO SUPPLY GAS TO EAST UKRAINE AS HUMANITARIAN AID - TASS

    So I am assuming then Russia wants the Ukraine to "pay" for the "separatist gas"?
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    Morale of the UA army after losing #Debaltseve? Still high, although many say they should have left this place earlier.

    #Zakharchenko said a Ukrainian sniper shot his foot in #Debaltseve. Just try to imagine that.
    http://www.rg.ru/2015/02/19/snaiper-site-anons.html

    The latest from inside #Donetsk airport https://news.vice.com/video/the-ruin...te-dispatch-95 … via @vicenews

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    Maybe the WH and the NSC should reread the Russian New Generation Warfare UW strategy especially the eight phases of it.

    Seriously doubt that when the "separatist" model using discrimination of ethnic minorities starts in say the Baltics---will NATO and the US pull the Article 5 trigger "against civilians"? after the US refused to send ATMS to the Ukraine--no they will not.

    Moscow is getting ready for a hybrid war with Lithuania. Is the Polish minority going to be the flashpoint? DEFENCE24 http://www.defence24.com/analysis_mo...yA_19s.twitter

    Russia's Putin 'real and present danger' to Baltics: British minister http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0LN0FV20150219

    UA defence ministry " Russia prepares mercaneries in Transdnistria & Crimea for Hybrid war against Ukraine" http://www.unian.ua/politics/1045942...-ukrajini.html … …

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    Ukraine’s Lonely Cyberwarrior vs. Russias hordes - The Daily Beast

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...r-warrior.html … pic.twitter.com/621VyEIG8J

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    Amazing to think that the USAREUR trained the commands staffs of the 15th Russian Peacekeeping Bde and some of their BN staffs in "peacekeeping operations" in Germany in 2012 and again in 2013 --the 2012 training was a Russian special request and had to be conducted urgently/quickly--their core focus was on how the Us handled logistics in a peacekeeping operation.

    Some Army officers questioned the reasons behind the Russian request but got overruled and the training was provided.

    So today just where in eastern Ukraine has the 15th parked itself as their special marked vehicles have in fact been spotted a number of times since August.

    Russian winter or spring offensive? Or stealth occupation under guise of peacekeeping forces (MC) already in Donbas?"

    29 Sep 2014 "Russian 15th Inde Motorized Rifle Brigade Peacekeeping Forces (MC) Samara disguised as Vityaz Battalion of LPR"
    Russian "peacekeeping forces" (MC) 15th Ind Motorized Brigade ID'd nr Ukraine border. 10 Sep http://informnapalm.org/1028-15-ya-o...se-s-ukraynoj/ …"

    MPs direct several Russian peacekeeping forces MC APCs to customs control zone 28km from border, Rostov region 15 Aug pic.twitter.com/gKNafm5Kyt

    Ukraine'll consider deployment of RUS "peacekeeping forces" to #Ukraine as direct armed aggression act pic.twitter.com/UrgRt2FCxd

    might be the plan of "peacekeeping forces" and terrorists expect them soon pic.twitter.com/FRdu5YPCt0

    "Russian peacekeeping forces (MC symbols) on move nr Krasnodarovka (Rostov region) 28 Aug, via @galandecZP"

    "Russian army BTR convoy with "Peacekeeping Forces" markings (yellow MC on blue circle) in Belgorod region 11 July"

    Russia already has two highly experienced "peacekeeping mission" Generals on the ground, inside Ukraine: Lentsov and Vyaznikov.

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    VIDEO #Putin SOLDIERS w "weapons bought in store" pack up to SHOW they comply #Minsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1KQXo0XyM … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/WdtjDqnlk9

    .@OSCE_SMM Spox Bociurkiw says mission has not seen any withdrawal of heavy weaponry -- only movement

    Captive DNR militant talks about training in Russia, Russian instructors, fight in #Shyrokine http://youtu.be/tI5Zt7HC254 pic.twitter.com/ipZCkrJ90S

    A 1000 miles from home #Russia|n Don Cossacks pretend to be locals in #Debaltseve & fight #Ukraine's "civil war"... pic.twitter.com/AzJJQyk0AD

    Why Latvia worries about today’s Russia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kksq...ature=youtu.behttp://fb.me/3BarbtUXX

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