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    EU President Tusk:
    "We are clearly reaching a point when further diplomatic efforts will be fruitless."


    New formulation by Merkel & Hollande: "MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER that #Minsk2 should be fully implemented." That should subdue Putin. Yep.

    Russian "Grad" launchers flattening Shirokine town amid Merkel-Hollande brokered ceasefire https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qlVsmI...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/HBtiSDVerZ

    Landsbergis "The West is so stupid that Putin doesnt have to fool them anymore" http://glavpost.com/post/20feb2015/W...-durachit.html … …

    A masterful reading of the Minsk agreement, showing how much Putin actually gained: Making the Most of Minsk http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/op...agreement.html
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    Russian journalist's story about Russian troops storming Debaltseve: "There are Buryatshttp://24today.net/open/317271

    Ukraine Live: Kommersant Report Details Russian Servicemen 'Volunteering' In Fight For Debaltsevo. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...mariupol/#6983

    Fears grow in Mariupol as nearby Azov sea resort of Shyrokyne becomes the new "epicentre", reports @RolandOliphanthttp://fw.to/YoUKBbi

    Russian Historian claims that Putin will start a Blitzkrieg in Belarus in September http://www.belaruspartisan.org/politic/296127/

    Second Ukrainian Assignment of Russian Private Tukumbetov: https://en.informnapalm.org/second-u...te-tukumbetov/ … pic.twitter.com/tkhgx4BIZO

    #BreakingNews
    Continuing gunfire in #Mariupol over the last 2 hours is "hunt for drone" circling over the city. - Sector M command
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    TOP-10 Military Gadgets Involved in the Russian Aggression Against Ukraine:https://en.informnapalm.org/top-10-e...-informnapalm/ … pic.twitter.com/ixG9Pua4f5

    Poroshenko adviser says Russian army/rebels lost 2911 troops since Jan 2015 in Debaltseve; onward from ceasefire 868 https://www.facebook.com/yuri.biriuk...64980133770798

    Likely-next stage,is attack on Schastye and Stanitsa Luhanska,with possible pocket-cut from RF. pic.twitter.com/Pfl6KaiXHN

    #Mariupol taking urgent measures to strengthen the line of defense of the city
    http://m.0629.com.ua/news/746896?utm...utm_medium=qpp
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    This is the so called DNR mercenary leader
    War criminal Zakharchenko rambling: 600 mercenary Poles fighting against them. He has indeed SERIOUSLY been hit!! pic.twitter.com/AgXBE2amsp

    Wow! That looks far worse than a 'shrapnel wound'. War criminal Zakharchenko wounded... pic.twitter.com/oNRj2uukcv

    Kharkiv faces a wave of terrorist attacks. Is it the separatists’ next target? http://atfp.co/1CT6Asg

    Anyone surprised?
    Russian newspaper reports: Russian regular troops (not local tractor drivers) captured Debaltseve
    http://www.unian.info/war/1046595-ru...ebaltseve.html

    Must-read: here is a WELL-DOCUMENTED case of a LOCAL fighting for DNR !!! http://mashable.com/2015/02/20/ukraines-nameless-dead/ … pic.twitter.com/VYV7qrMXcE

    Russian tensions could escalate into all-out war, says Nato general | via @Telegraph http://fw.to/0s13LeW
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    Russian elite police units are arresting "radical pro-Ukrainian" Internet trolls, Russia's top new security threat http://youtu.be/q3Zw-Nps4BE

    Russian media admits that regular Russian troops took #Debaltseve http://www.examiner.com/article/russ...ook-debaltseve … pic.twitter.com/O5Ne9vxv5i

    Yes, you see right!
    A #Russian_Army #MSTA_S column "in #Debaltseve".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8X67KxzDu0
    pic.twitter.com/vyS9eGX5nQ

    Seize-and-fire coordinator Russian-general-in-Ukraine Lentsov explains how we have a NEW Minsk border all of a sudden pic.twitter.com/zR6qJ0U7kH

    VIDEO (Eng. subs) War criminal Zakharchenko explaining how he got hurt, but actually saying nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZtHT3WoFU

    Tomorrow exchange prisoners. Perhaps return home Lt Col Oleg Kuzminykh - Cyborg. Perhaps. pic.twitter.com/wGLf4yfcoR

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    Russian aggression in Ukraine&the Baltics:“We can no longer trust Mr.Putin”by @andriuskubilius via @theeuropeanmag http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/...nd-the-baltics

    Somehow #OSCE in Ukraine reminds me western Christians propagandists in Asia. Both pretend to work, but in real life just came for money.

    #Kharkiv isn't in the news right now, but could be soon. Only 25 miles fr Russian border & a stepping stone to Kyiv. http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/20/...ss-russia-war/

    Ukraine: Merkel promises further sanctions if #Russia violates latest Minsk peace deal. IF?? http://uatoday.tv/politics/germany-r...al-410804.html

    Good analysis on the failure of major #Russian winter offensive in the context of #Debaltsevo battle https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...debalcevo.html

    This piece is appropriately seething w/ anger. World ignores Russia marching thru more of Ukraine. #Mariupol is next. http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-e...ty-381338.html

    BREAKING #Russian military hardware spotted in #Belgorodsky region (#Russia) moving towards #Kharkiv oblast (#Ukraine) | EMPR @InformNapalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    EU President Tusk:
    "We are clearly reaching a point when further diplomatic efforts will be fruitless."


    New formulation by Merkel & Hollande: "MORE CONVINCED THAN EVER that #Minsk2 should be fully implemented." That should subdue Putin. Yep.

    Russian "Grad" launchers flattening Shirokine town amid Merkel-Hollande brokered ceasefire https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qlVsmI...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/HBtiSDVerZ

    Landsbergis "The West is so stupid that Putin doesnt have to fool them anymore" http://glavpost.com/post/20feb2015/W...-durachit.html … …

    A masterful reading of the Minsk agreement, showing how much Putin actually gained: Making the Most of Minsk http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/op...agreement.html
    What is interesting is that the Ukraine's first three ceasefires were in fact "leveraged" by the EU/US meaning getting the Ukraine to stop shooting in an attempt to get a diplomatic conversation going with Putin as was the Minsk 1 attempt. How did those three ceasefires actually achieve anything?

    kraine held to the three ceasefires causing an undo amount of human loss to appease both the US/EU as they needed financial help badly. AND just how did the fourth and last ceasefire work out even more losses in civilian and military lives and for what as Russia did not hold to the agreements.

    The Ukraine has held up to now the belief that it was supported by the West in it's efforts to reform, end corruption and basically break free of Russia and become an independent nation in Central Europe.

    CORE question is now since in fact both Minsk 1 and 2 were failures ie Russia never implemented a single point and ended up using the agreements to take more Ukrainian territory HOW can the Ukraine now trust the West as it definitely does not trust Russia?

    The Merkel Hollande luster of diplomacy is in tatters and is a blatant failure all the while it has been remarkably silent from the two leaders since the fall of Debaltseve which by the way even OSCE after rereading and rereading Minsk 2 was covered by the Minsk Agreements thus a clear violation by Russian troops and Putin.

    If it was the intent of this WH to "allow" the Europeans to lead since it is an "European problem"--some how the US forgot Russia is as much against the US as the Europeans---if they are failing why is not this WH stepping back in and leading by example?

    WHAT us even more remarkable is the total lack of a US response after the fall of Debaltseve---oh a few comments and verbal threats but not much more.

    Final question is there in fact even a US strategy at all for Central Europe and especially Russia what the global community understands?

    WHAT have we seen from this administration just in the last few days that indicates they are focused totally on Iran and anything that jiggles that adventure is basically being ignored ie the Ukraine.

    Strange is it not that at the President's own international conference on terrorism the FSB/KGB Director who by the way is in the sanctions list is extended an invitation and is "allowed" to enter the US while on that list AND yet the US FBI Director was nowhere to be seen???

    There has been in Europe not to subtle of comments coming out they have seen a distinct lack of engagement by the US in the Ukraine meaning NO US leadership is seen anywhere within the EU/NATO and they clearly point to the Obama legacy around Iran negotiations as the problem.

    Something came out today in Europe clearly indicating that direction--it is almost like the US is simply begging the Iranians just to sign any agreement that can be trotted out as a PR win before Jan 2017.

    Obama now granted Iran nuke "threshold" status as negotiating tactic to encourage them not to go farther. @ArminRosen http://www.businessinsider.com/statu...iations-2015-2

    Can it be that US FP is now just reduced to PR? Yes it seems to be might be the answer.

    In the Ukraine even Ukrainians are asking "where is the US"? By the way just as Egyptians are asking as are the Israeli's as are the Iraqi's and on and on.

    If we look at the three Putin geo political goals of his FP;

    1. disconnect the US from Europe
    2. discredit NATO
    3. discredit the EU

    After Debaltseve and the so called Minsk 2 Agreement---does anyone believe Putin is not achieving those geo political goals?

    Actually he is about 80% of the way to his end goals and this administration and it's weak NSC is contributing greatly to that achievement.

    US leadership where is it?
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    We investigated a pro-Russia ”troll factory” in St Petersburg. Never before seen footage: http://kioski.yle.fi/omat/yle-kioski...er-seen-before

    Oh this Russian actress is always so busy. Today in #Debaltseve as a baker. The new mayor knows from St. Petersburg. pic.twitter.com/dymUU7IQC4

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    There is an inherent deep fear of the Ukrainian Maidan movement hitting Russia and Putin plays as well his attacks against decadent liberal western values---this has been really a Putin driven "values war" as much as an imperialistic neo fascist driven invasion of the Ukraine under the guise of ethno nationalism.

    Anti-Maidan sign: "We don't need no—Western ideology, no gay parades" via @tariya @deinioljonesGL7 pic.twitter.com/GvB8xGNKZU #Russia #Moscow

    Strangely Anti-Maidan Protesters Have same uniforms as "local Rebels" in Donbas pic.twitter.com/b5hPKjjueN

    200-strong rent-a-crowd line eager to collect their money–$5/Anti-Maidan protester. pic.twitter.com/7HTRpIRHm3

    "Russia's mothers against fascism!" http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...ainst-fascism- … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/MYK7mDfn3E

    Kadyrov-loving Chechens, sleepy-eyed Cossacks, Battle Brotherhood @ Anti-maidan rally. via @Newcaster_EN #Russia pic.twitter.com/xFYqoJn5aU

    The Kremlin bused in people for a pro-Putin/anti-Maidan/anti-West/anti-Ukraine/anti-democracy/anti-__ rally in Moscow pic.twitter.com/8JSC8vSG3V

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    Even the US porn industry is getting wrapped into Putin's "values war" against the West and what is interesting is the sheer amount of Russian hardcore porn coming daily into Europe and the US--nothing like "moral" double standards.

    Another #RussianPropaganda whoopsie! US porn star #SashaGrey as NURSE killed by #Ukraine army.http://belsat.eu/en/articles/russian...illed-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/JtNcEphzby

    How #US Porn Star @SashaGrey unwittingly became the face of #Russia'n anti- #Kyiv #propaganda @MoscowTimes http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/516149.html

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    Ukrainian military shot down UAV near Pervomaysk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/21-febr...ear-pervomaysk

    Russian forces shelled the town of #Stepne - south of #Donetsk - with #Grad missiles last night
    pic.twitter.com/gTC3sApcg9

    Also the high number of 15 Russian drones were seen over Ukrainian-held land during the last 24 hours.

    Expo w proofs of Rus mil presence in Ukr incl vehicles, ammo was installed on Mykhaylivska sq https://www.facebook.com/markian.lub...39840159611943 … pic.twitter.com/1LNoUxRc3i

    #Russia's land gain btwn 2 ceasefires. #Minsk2 #Minsk #RussiaInvadedUkraine #Ukraine https://www.facebook.com/russiahands...901805/?type=1 … pic.twitter.com/eWEYQLUWRD

    Kommersant meets Russian soldiers who fought at Debaltseve. "I didn't join the army to sew or dig holes". http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2671088?isSearch=True

    As every day, #Pisky, #Avdeevka and #Vodyane came under Russian mortar/artillery and #Grad fire last night. pic.twitter.com/gQQuD5cL0X

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    It has been interesting to watch the Western leaders do everything possible to sidestep "admitting" what the social media has from the first called "a Russian war against the West" using Russian troops, heavy weapons and even filming the first Russian invasion forces in August 2014 crossing into the Ukraine.

    US/EU/NATO including western news media did everything possible to sidestep using the term invasion and for the longest time since at least May 2014 keep using over and over the terms "separatists, Russian separatists and then finally rebels" before using just in the last few days and since the Debaltseve battle using the term"Russian soldiers/troops".

    It is virtually impossible that at least the US/UK and a few other NATO countries via their own robust ISR has not seen the same things as did the social media side of this conflict--but for some strange reason they have been extremely reluctant to confirm anything ---until just before the Debaltseve attacks---even when Russia was mocking them "show us the evidence".

    Would highly suggest Western leaders simply go back and reread the published Russian New Generation Warfare UW strategy and then cut and paste it over every single video, photo, journalist reports and social media reports since May 2014 AND they would be surprised that Russia/Putin has not left that doctrine for a single movement in time/space since Crimea.

    The EU recent attempts at Minsk 2 have utterly failed and the Russians are still in deep violations of Minsk 1 and 2, the Russian mercenaries have extended their annexation of Ukrainian territory strongly using Minsk 1 and 2 which is also covered in their military doctrine, Russia has used the Ukraine to test their new weapon systems and used it for exercising their troops in a "hybrid environment" , heavily used their "new high precision weapon systems/radars" and used extensively UAVs in a battlefield environment.

    WHICH by the way the US military has never done and does not have any experience in a battlefield environment where is there is denied airspace which Russia has done through deployment of extensive highly modern AD systems of the last generation.

    Russia has literally exercised in front of the US/EU/NATO their new military doctrine and what has been the response from the Western sanctions that did not go far enough ie SWIFT and diplomacy which has basically failed as of this week?

    Enclosed the eight phases of the New Generation Warfare as a guideline to understanding Putin and his military.

    Geoffrey Pyatt ✔ @GeoffPyatt
    Latest from @OSCE_SMM documents outgoing shelling heard Donetsk city, Russia's proxies continue to violate ceasefire http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...a&e=3612d1ad47

    BREAKING Spot report: @OSCE_SMM hears intense outgoing shelling today in Donetsk city; ceasefire violations elsewhere http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/141871

    Quote from the Ukraine destabilization plan, co-authored by Malofeev early February 2014, to be published Wednesday: pic.twitter.com/EEpwM8XyEI

    #Russia's land gain btwn 2 ceasefires. #Minsk2 #Minsk #RussiaInvadedUkraine #Ukraine https://www.facebook.com/russiahands...901805/?type=1 … pic.twitter.com/eWEYQLUWRD

    The phases of new-generation war can be schematized as (Tchekinov & Bogdanov, 2013, pp. 15-22):

    First Phase: non-military asymmetric warfare (encompassing information, moral, psychological, ideological, diplomatic, and economic measures as part of a plan to establish a favorable political, economic, and military setup).

    Second Phase: special operations to mislead political and military leaders by coordinated measures carried out by diplomatic channels, media, and top government and military agencies by leaking false data, orders, directives, and instructions.

    Third Phase: intimidation, deceiving, and bribing government and military officers, with the objective of making them abandon their service duties.

    Fourth Phase: destabilizing propaganda to increase discontent among the population, boosted by the arrival of Russian bands of militants, escalating subversion.

    Fifth Phase: establishment of no-fly zones over the country to be attacked, imposition of blockades, and extensive use of private military companies in close cooperation with armed opposition units.

    Sixth Phase: commencement of military action, immediately preceded by large-scale reconnaissance and subversive missions. All types, forms, methods, and forces, including special operations forces, space, radio, radio engineering, electronic, diplomatic, and secret service
    intelligence, and industrial espionage.

    Seventh Phase: combination of targeted information operation, electronic warfare operation, aerospace operation, continuous airforce harassment, combined with the use of highprecision weapons launched from various platforms (long-range artillery, and weapons based on new physical principles, including microwaves, radiation, non-lethal biological weapons).

    Eighth Phase: roll over the remaining points of resistance and destroy surviving enemy units by special operations conducted by reconnaissance units to spot which enemy units have survived and transmit their coordinates to the attacker's missile and artillery units; fire barrages to annihilate the defender's resisting army units by effective advanced weapons; airdrop operations to surround points of resistance; and territory mopping-up operations by ground troops.

    In other words, the Russians have placed the idea of influence at the very center of their operational planning and used all possible levers to achieve this: skillful internal communications; deception operations; psychological operations and well-constructed external communications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    There is an inherent deep fear of the Ukrainian Maidan movement hitting Russia and Putin plays as well his attacks against decadent liberal western values---this has been really a Putin driven "values war" as much as an imperialistic neo fascist driven invasion of the Ukraine under the guise of ethno nationalism.

    Anti-Maidan sign: "We don't need no—Western ideology, no gay parades" via @tariya @deinioljonesGL7 pic.twitter.com/GvB8xGNKZU #Russia #Moscow

    Strangely Anti-Maidan Protesters Have same uniforms as "local Rebels" in Donbas pic.twitter.com/b5hPKjjueN

    200-strong rent-a-crowd line eager to collect their money–$5/Anti-Maidan protester. pic.twitter.com/7HTRpIRHm3

    "Russia's mothers against fascism!" http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...ainst-fascism- … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/MYK7mDfn3E

    Kadyrov-loving Chechens, sleepy-eyed Cossacks, Battle Brotherhood @ Anti-maidan rally. via @Newcaster_EN #Russia pic.twitter.com/xFYqoJn5aU

    The Kremlin bused in people for a pro-Putin/anti-Maidan/anti-West/anti-Ukraine/anti-democracy/anti-__ rally in Moscow pic.twitter.com/8JSC8vSG3V
    More from Moscow's Anti-Maidan or better anti western values parade.

    "America taught Ukrainians to provoke and fight on Maidan, and then blame it all on Russia," man at AntiMaidan march in Moscow. @NewcasterTV

    Russian bureaucracy also applies to patriots. Group of ladies with Russian flags just denied access to pro-Putin demo. 'You are late!'Simon Kruse @crusoes
    Priceless scene. Police not allowing ladies to praise Putin at anti-maidan demo: 'No entrance!' 'We have orders' pic.twitter.com/V4XZpLXc9e
    Simon Kruse @crusoes
    'Call your superior' demands lady. 'Or there will be a maidan and not an anti-maidan!' says young man. People laugh. Cop angry.


    #Moscow, now "Yankee go home and take Maidan away". From Moscow? Idiots, pardon my French. pic.twitter.com/IqKFky5PS2

    Crazy,People don't know Russia is killing the very people they support w "Save Donbas" sign. Putin's succeeded in making US enemy.

    Two wanted war criminal mercenaries from the Ukraine in Moscow for Anti Maidan Parade
    #Surgeon and #Tsariov leading #Moscow's anti-#Maidan: pic.twitter.com/4NGbbrbvva

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    Putin's three geo political goals he has set for himself since 2002:

    1. disconnect the US from Europe/NATO
    2. discredit NATO
    3. discredit the EU

    Now we have the JCoS of the US military saying virtually the same thing backed up by the recent SACEUR DCom comments yesterday ---

    SO exactly again just what is the US WH and NSC strategy?

    US GEN Dempsey - Putin’s principal aim, strategically, is to fragment the NATO alliance.http://www.expressnews.com/news/loca...re-6090457.php … pic.twitter.com/r3nTl5T3TU

    OR is there a disconnect between this WH and the DoD?

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    We have new participants in the #WarDanceChallenge.
    This time Russian invaders in #Horlivka.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th9ZXKVKCE8 … pic.twitter.com/NVsye3DCXh

    Am awaiting social media identification of the unit--they are searching the Russian FB pages for more "victory dances".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    More from Moscow's Anti-Maidan or better anti western values parade.

    "America taught Ukrainians to provoke and fight on Maidan, and then blame it all on Russia," man at AntiMaidan march in Moscow. @NewcasterTV

    Russian bureaucracy also applies to patriots. Group of ladies with Russian flags just denied access to pro-Putin demo. 'You are late!'Simon Kruse @crusoes
    Priceless scene. Police not allowing ladies to praise Putin at anti-maidan demo: 'No entrance!' 'We have orders' pic.twitter.com/V4XZpLXc9e
    Simon Kruse @crusoes
    'Call your superior' demands lady. 'Or there will be a maidan and not an anti-maidan!' says young man. People laugh. Cop angry.


    #Moscow, now "Yankee go home and take Maidan away". From Moscow? Idiots, pardon my French. pic.twitter.com/IqKFky5PS2

    Crazy,People don't know Russia is killing the very people they support w "Save Donbas" sign. Putin's succeeded in making US enemy.

    Two wanted war criminal mercenaries from the Ukraine in Moscow for Anti Maidan Parade
    #Surgeon and #Tsariov leading #Moscow's anti-#Maidan: pic.twitter.com/4NGbbrbvva
    Final wrap up of today's Moscow Anti Maidan and Anti Western parade/charade:

    Girl filmed how she was paid $5 for a participation in pro-Putin/anti-Ukraine rally in Moscow https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...277&permPage=1 … pic.twitter.com/HlOqMOosoc

    Didn't go to anti-Maidan today. Now seeing a photo of a banner from the rally saying "Putin is better than Hitler." Sums up way too much.

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    Have been repeatedly asking the simple question---where is this WH and NSCs Central Europe/Russian strategy and then we get the NSS?

    Seems that in fact the US/EU leadership must have also been on "vacation" as are the Russian troops.

    Just how did all those NSA, CIA, DIA and European based intel analysts miss the whole show and left it up to the social media to keep them informed?

    Not a CIA plot just stupidity. Report says misreading of Russian mood in run-up to #Ukraine crisis was "catastrophic" http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-report-claims

    Must read>"EU and ntl govts 'missed warning signs' & made important analytical mistakes in run-up to Ukraine crisis" https://euobserver.com/foreign/127726

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    Kommersant article on Russian troops fighting in Debaltseve: Full text in English : UNIAN news http://www.unian.info/war/1046898-ko...n-english.html

    Reference Russian military loses:
    I have a very reliable source in Kryvii Rih telling me that the Kryvbass division lost 57 men
    .

    #Russia's conscripts appeal to NGOs for help to avoid being sent to the war in #Ukraine
    http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306481/con...tguid=IBPO3PdE … pic.twitter.com/aAJonr0DVc

    Reuters World ✔ @ReutersWorld
    Pro-Russia rebel build-up near port city alarms Ukraine military http://reut.rs/1GeAStc

    Another fake Russian propaganda video:
    Russian propaganda: "abandoned Ukrainian tank joined the ranks of armored forces" ... Hence, they don't show it! pff
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pduxR3DhdAg

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    Bus with UA POW from #Donetsk still heading to unknown destination in #Luhansk region #Ukraine Mercenaries are to exchange one to one but there are not enough mercenaries captured by the Ukrainians to do that so they are complaining they are having problems with the exchange.
    NOTE: right now it appears that the Ukraine is holding a rather large number of Russian POWs to include officers.

    #Russia's army threw large no's of troops into battle, like fodder to the slaughter. #Ukraine's army had no chance.. pic.twitter.com/nfmFTczcPv

    Croatian state TV starts Big project with Ukrainian Army https://m.facebook.com/NGUmainpage/p...85042008184377

    #Ukraine Scrambles for UAVs, But #Russia Drones Own the Skies https://medium.com/war-is-boring/ukr...s-74f5007183a2 … pic.twitter.com/qxWBpIpmXU

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Have been repeatedly asking the simple question---where is this WH and NSCs Central Europe/Russian strategy and then we get the NSS?

    Seems that in fact the US/EU leadership must have also been on "vacation" as are the Russian troops.

    Just how did all those NSA, CIA, DIA and European based intel analysts miss the whole show and left it up to the social media to keep them informed?

    Not a CIA plot just stupidity. Report says misreading of Russian mood in run-up to #Ukraine crisis was "catastrophic" http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-report-claims

    Must read>"EU and ntl govts 'missed warning signs' & made important analytical mistakes in run-up to Ukraine crisis" https://euobserver.com/foreign/127726
    While the EU/NATO and the US try to figure out what to do these types of short comments are coming in increasing frequency into the net.

    #Ukraine preparing for 'full-scale war,' says former envoy to #Canada, Vadym Prystaiko
    http://www.cbc.ca/1.2964887 pic.twitter.com/y5E2RUYMM3

    While the West talks Ukraine is preparing for a full scale war---and what does the West do talk and talk when diplomacy has actually failed.

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