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    And again just why has not Russia been defined a "state sponsor of terrorism"?

    Not just #Kharkiv. Putin's FSB/SVR also active in #Odessa: Last night 3kg TNT bomb was defused at restaurant "U Angelova."

    #Russia|n MP from Moscow: "Our guys attacked Kharkiv"https://twitter.com/alxaverin/status/569476249409757184
    pic.twitter.com/amom23SjeO

    'More than 40 Russian intelligence officers are believed to be operating in London' http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...ard-2015_02_21 … …

    TASS not reporting the SBU allegation Kharkiv bombers received training in Russia
    http://tass.ru/en/world/779144
    http://tass.ru/en/world/779142

    Organizers say the explosion in #Kharkiv killed Igor Tolmachev, one of the #Euromaidan leaders.
    pic.twitter.com/C9Q7HApm9z
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    #Ukraine NSDC -#Russia Trainload of tanks,troops,etc arrived in #Donetsk & headed to #Mariupol http://translate.googleusercontent.c...cs88Odva5cuvjA … pic.twitter.com/jOMPaxZuZa

    Same procedure since last days.
    Russians attacked #Pisky, #Vodyane, #Avdeevka and #Shyrokyne overnight with all kinds of weapons.

    SBU uploads video of arrest of what it says are Kharkiv terrorists with what appears to be an explosive device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT8a...em-uploademail

    Detention of suspected terrorists in Kharkiv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT8a0o9JscE

    BLOG: Russians are introducing new batches of Russian inmates to battlefield at #Debaltseve http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...atches-of.html … pic.twitter.com/RqeXbIFXBl

    #Kharkiv terror attack distracts from 4-hour assault on #Ukraine forces at #Shyrokyne using tanks, artillery mortars http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2015/02/2...artilerieyu--/

    VIDEO - New Russian weapon near Shyrokyne
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFf8Jn9LdtQ … pic.twitter.com/06A0rPcpFK
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    This is what Allahu Akbars with guns are doing when they see a nice car in Donetsk #notlocalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d69KuU77uL0 … pic.twitter.com/itppNFtoIx

    Russian forces from Ryazan enjoy burning house of now homeless Ukrainians at #Debaltseve #notlocals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSuZY

    Denis Pushilin @DenisPushilin
    NAF is becoming closer and closer to Mariupol. Mariupol is part of Novorossiya.


    #Steinmeier said: "An advance towards #Mariupol would clearly violate the Minsk agreement." http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0VW0HD20150222 … Not a word of #Debaltseve

    #Kremlin bots spam accuses SBU in #Kharkiv explosion.
    'Civilians died? Not us then' again.
    pic.twitter.com/mIIYzL0GgH
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    Donetsk Leader: “First we will destroy Debaltseve pocket. Then we will capture Mariupol. Then we will throw our forces to Kharkiv" @b_judah

    Russia is still violating the Minsk 1 and 2 Agreements:
    BREAKING #Russian #terrorists transported 61 tanks &armored units into #Ukraine,#NSC says http://empr.media/news/russian-terro...s-into-ukraine … pic.twitter.com/1dnzBgqjKQ

    Russian soldiers from Samara arrived in Belgorod: "going 2 Ukraine 4 shooting" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjLSc4iNFeI … pic.twitter.com/OQVRo98Zej

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    Horrific new fragmenting missile nr Mariupol explodes 40m in air
    http://grani.ru/Politics/World/Europ.../m.238273.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL_javzCu_c

    Ukraine: Mariupol, new type of weapon used against ATO (photos, video) Injuries will require long operation. http://tinyurl.com/ktap7sv
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    Half Ukrainian fighters killed by poor kit and friendly fire

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1522268.ece

    I, personally, give this hypothesis 30% probability, more probable assumtion, I believe, that poor bastards got killed by neglegting the basic military routines like "sweat saves blood". Here is the quotation from tipical Ukrainian "war memoirs" by ex-policeman who recently survived Debaltsevo.

    http://society.lb.ua/war/2015/02/20/...mi_gotovi.html

    Было много дыр в стыках. Правильные мероприятия по минированию и другим тактическим вопросам не были проведены заранее. До нас там стояло подразделение 4 месяца.

    Мы заняли те позиции, о которых, я думаю, сепаратисты знали - от разведки, от местного населения. Но это не важно. Важно другое: запасных позиций приготовлено не было. Позиции, блиндажи были оборудованы абы как. Мы зашли в декабре - уже что-то строить, перестраивать, усиливать не было возможности. Зимой в январе на окраинах Дебальцево, где мы стояли – село Новогригорьевка – было до 30 градусов мороза. Плюс ветер. По ощущениям, все 35 градусов были. Неделю-две такая погода стояла. Что-то перестраивать было крайне тяжело. Более мирное и теплое время было потеряно, и, на мой взгляд, оборона была построена неправильно. Уж не знаю, на перемирие или на что еще рассчитывало высшее военное руководство.
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    There were many holes at the joints between the units, no minefields, no tactical drills. Previuos unit held our position for four months... There were no fallback positions, trenches were makeshift [irrelevant ramblings about General Frost omitted] defences were built all wrong, I think. I don't know what our High Command was thinking about.
    HQ is to blame for their misery, that's hilarious.
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    Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Half Ukrainian fighters killed by poor kit and friendly fire

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1522268.ece
    mirhond---care to comment?? And no Russians in the Ukraine is what your FM and Putin keep saying right??

    More soldiers from Samara in Belgorod: "Yo-ho-ho to Kiev"
    http://youtu.be/U4FCV4NnW5w

    Russian soldiers from Samara arrived in Belgorod: "going 2 Ukraine 4 shooting" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjLSc4iNFeI … pic.twitter.com/OQVRo98Zej

    Russian forces from Ryazan enjoy burning house of now homeless Ukrainians at #Debaltseve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSuZYdJ_qc

    Another local non Russian rebel ?????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny_6ZAxa86A … pic.twitter.com/leHxHuxoVF
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Half Ukrainian fighters killed by poor kit and friendly fire

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1522268.ece

    I, personally, give this hypothesis 30% probability, more probable assumtion, I believe, that poor bastards got killed by neglegting the basic military routines like "sweat saves blood". Here is the quotation from tipical Ukrainian "war memoirs" by ex-policeman who recently survived Debaltsevo.

    http://society.lb.ua/war/2015/02/20/...mi_gotovi.html



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    HQ is to blame for their misery, that's hilarious.
    and while you critique the poor Ukrainian army quality it seems that as a rag tag military built around volunteers they seem to have inflicted over 6000 killed Russian troops is that not right?

    it seems they fight so well young Russian draftees are refusing out of fear of being killed by "fascists"---remember that is what you all called them at the Crimea time---to go to the Ukraine---not so bad for a rag tag army right mirhond?

    BUT when one fights a well trained army that is being lied about by your own FM and Putin even rag tag armies have problems---something you seem to be deliberately overlooking in your critique

    more on those "not suppose to be in the Ukraine "miners and truck drivers" that Putin claimed are doing the fighting"

    Russian media admits that regular Russian troops took Debaltseve
    http://www.examiner.com/article/russ...ook-debaltseve
    No civil war pic.twitter.com/eqzz3KcO50
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    and while you critique the poor Ukrainian army quality it seems that as a rag tag military built around volunteers they seem to have inflicted over 6000 killed Russian troops is that not right?

    it seems they fight so well young Russian draftees are refusing out of fear of being killed by "fascists"---remember that is what you all called them at the Crimea time---to go to the Ukraine---not so bad for a rag tag army right mirhond?

    BUT when one fights a well trained army that is being lied about by your own FM and Putin even rag tag armies have problems---something you seem to be deliberately overlooking in your critique

    more on those "not suppose to be in the Ukraine "miners and truck drivers" that Putin claimed are doing the fighting"

    Russian media admits that regular Russian troops took Debaltseve
    http://www.examiner.com/article/russ...ook-debaltseve
    No civil war pic.twitter.com/eqzz3KcO50
    mirhond---more for you to comment on:

    New #MH17 footage shows militia trawling through burning wreckage and Australian luggage and laughing http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new-mh17-foota

    Video (ENG SUB) Russian mercenaries from Chelyabinsk are saying 'hi' to buddies at home inviting them to come to...http://fb.me/6jkgUwS9B

    Russian videoed stealing an Ukrainian owned SUV was in fact a Russian officer—identified via his VK page.
    One of car burglars is Apti Bolotkhanov, major of #Russian Interior Ministry@DajeyPetros
    http://terror.in.ua/terrorists-wante...v-apti-d.6805/ … pic.twitter.com/YSZScyw2Nv

    Seems Russian officers and Cossacks excel at plundering, looting and theft.
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    How many undamaged homes are left standing in Debaltseve today? Zero, says the OSCE. https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/02/23...-in-debaltseve


    Interesting article in German though
    "Völlig absurd" - ein russischer Militärinsider zerlegt die Moskauer Propaganda-Version des Ukraine-Kriegs: https://www.facebook.com/reitschuste...59650547383466

    It is back to the 1918 country of Donetsk-Kryviy Rih which I had posted here earlier as it suddenly came up in a number or conservative circles within Russia.
    "Don't forget that capital of Donetsk-Kryviy Rih Republic was Kharkiv. Kharkiv is next target" pic.twitter.com/BXw9zuAxw6
    Donetsk-Kryviy Rih Republic with capital Kharkiv is Putin's aim . They said it Weeks ago in Donetsk pic.twitter.com/e8TPDBlg8V

    #BreakingStatement
    "If Putin knows that America is supplying weapons to Ukraine,there will be an attack on #Kharkiv."
    http://gordonua.com/news/war/Belkovs...kov-67980.html
    Belkovsky: #Russia may attack #Kharkiv if the #US decides to supply weapons to #Ukraine.

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    #Ukraine military say they'll start withdrawing artillery (as per Minsk accord) only when the Russians stop shooting http://www.unian.net/war/1047215-sil...lyi-shtab.html

    WARCRIMES Russians insult, humiliate and kick face of Ukraine POWs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxzJkbg-nqY
    pic.twitter.com/egHkFCeN5i

    Example of the Russian propaganda effectiveness within the Russian population;
    on anti-Maidan: American families are killing adopted kids from Russia for organ harvesting http://flashvideo.rferl.org/Videoroo...aa2_mobile.mp4 … pic.twitter.com/4Dem0U7Jtg

    Russian MSTA-S self-propelled howitzers spotted at Debaltseve. PHOTOS http://24today.net/open/318930 pic.twitter.com/H1w1uZHBxx
    MSTA-S howitzers of militias in #Debaltseve. Loading in #Russia w. H-2200 marker! #Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhk...ature=youtu.be … pic.twitter.com/apQfNz5sf2

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    In the last 2 days enemy deployed more equipm to Stepne-Hranitne area incl mobile control post for AA units - Tymchuk pic.twitter.com/9GBvXpyGSq

    Russia keeps pressuring Ukraine: Russian Convoy in Stary Oskol moving towards Kharkiv. http://informator.lg.ua/?p=71573#.VOrWwuokvtU.twitter

    #News
    Under own mortar cover, Russian invaders tried to retrieve a damaged tank in #Shyrokyne this morning but were stopped.
    About 40 minutes ago a mortar attack was launched on Shyrokyne after terrorists offered a ceasefire - Mariupol HQ
    https://m.facebook.com/mariupol.oborona?__tn__=%7E

    Russia ‘stuffing’ Donbas with newest weapons
    http://www.unian.info/politics/10472...t-weapons.html … pic.twitter.com/6DHTYkn8mg
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    Particularly tense around #Donetsk airport where opposing sides are so close to each other that slightest twitch sparks artillery exchange.

    Pretty damning and very interesting piece by @anneapplebaum on Angela Merkel's foreign policy http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...21424679160052

    Militants units south of Donetsk being reinforced, says Tymchuk
    http://www.unian.info/war/1047292-mi...s-tymchuk.html … pic.twitter.com/KQ4qODIUc1

    Russian troops attacked Ukrainian positions along the #Bakhmutka highway this morning.

    This heavy weapons train has arrived in Krasny Lyman. pic.twitter.com/53Uu7vx0Dd

    Former UK soldier training Kiev's forces says 6 out of 10 casualties r from friendly fire. Army command="incompetent" http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1522268.ece

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    Part of the Russian UW strategy New Generation Warfare is the deployment and recently in the Ukraine field testing of new weapons systems---field testing under combat conditions gives one military the edge over other militaries.

    This is one system the US has no equivalent of at all--extremely dangerous as it adds a totally new complexity to treating military field injuries caused by the micro shrapnel.

    Russians using new air-burst micro-shrapnel weapons against #Ukrainian troopshttp://www.unian.info/war/1047129-ne...tos-video.html … pic.twitter.com/qIrvkMJpY4

    Russia is live-testing micro-shrapnel munition in Shyrokino Mariupol
    http://www.unian.info/war/1047129-ne...tos-video.html
    pic.twitter.com/wns1YMdIP7
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    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    SBU also detained 2 #DPR informers who gathered info about positions of the Ukrainian military

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    @OSCE_SMM stated that the bomb was the same as the one detonated in #Kharkiv district court on January 19

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Ukrainian policemen confiscated 2 RPG-26, 4 VOG-25, 2 RGD-5, 1 F-1 grenades and ammo for various arms in #Izyum, #Kharkiv region

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Intensity of skirmishes decreased. Militants attacked Ukrainian forces 27 times in the last 24 hours. UA soldiers hold defenses.

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Militants are still trying to storm #Shyrokine in the #Mariupol sector.

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Pro-Russian militants continue using ceasefire to focus their forces in Donetsk and Horlivka directions

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    Terrorists accumulating forces and armored vehicles in Donetsk, Yasynuvata and Ilovaisk http://24today.net/open/319136

    Voice of America: Report to allege direct Kremlin link to #Ukraine invasion
    http://uatoday.tv/news/voice-of-amer...on-411114.html … #Russia

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    At #Debaltseve in a month Jan18-Feb18 #Ukraine army lost 179 dead, but Russia-backed terrorists lost 868 dead - defence min. aide Biriukov

    At #Debaltseve we, 2,5K Ukrainian troops had to fight against 15-17K enemy troops - defence min. aide Yuri Biriukov
    http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/02/20/7059287/

    Rebel Vostok commander & security council head Khodakovsky says 172 wounded & 110 killed from his unit over last year pic.twitter.com/WpOmh8obOd

    Ukrainian forces under constant shelling in Shyrokino, says Tymchuk
    http://www.unian.info/war/1047365-uk...s-tymchuk.html … pic.twitter.com/pwf0nVk8nx

    #News
    Another 350 troops, 6 tanks, 14 IFV, 15 transport units transferred to #Bezimenne.
    Assault on #Shyrokyne intensifying. - UR/Tymchuck

    http://tvrain.ru/articles/glava_krym...unalom-382407/ … The head of the Crimean govt threatens Poroshenko with a military tribunal for the latter’s promise to return Crimea.

    13:07 #Mykolayivka (betw #Artemivsk & #Horlivka): massive artillery shelling from #Horlivka direction.
    via @bryhynets #donbasreports

    Russian war planes 'rehearsing attacks' in UK airspace - British military chief http://ibt.uk/A006FMU käyttäjältä @IBTimesUK

    Russia is the only existential threat the United States faces." Brookings' Jeremy Shapiro http://www.nationaljournal.com/defen...ussia-20150223 … pic.twitter.com/Hkdb4bNGPm

    New @Reuters photo: #Russia|n military truck tries crossing the blown-up bridge to leave #Debaltseve
    Feb 22 #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/aRVKvIQnz4

    Belkovsky: Putin could use #Kharkiv as a bargaining chip http://politolog.net/analytics/polit...van-na-xarkov/ … #Ukraine

    #Russia|n forces tried to overrun a #Ukraine military position in #Mariupol overnight — @AFP http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-n...085405685.html … pic.twitter.com/ePmw2q19kq
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    From the "numbers" monitoring station https://twitter.com/Spy_Stations

    The first time use of this intercepted code word was back in March just before the Crimea invasion and it has been picked up again.

    Numbers station intercepts "TERRAKOTA" code from Russian source. Was used before Crimea operation.

    When what was transmitted on MDZhB makes it to the news, you just know it. @Spy_Stations posts transcrips of every transmission.
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    Actually even with the latest NSS it seems that this WH and NSC actually has no strategy for anything.

    Obama's foreign policy actions often don't match his words. A list. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...dd2_story.html

    There have been some serious indications that Clinton is attempting to distance herself from the WH position on the Ukraine---but her former State Department seems to support the WH so she is in a bind so to speak due to her ties still there.
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    For those that think Putin is interested in a so called ceasefire---remember ceasefires are just a number of tactics possible in the New Generation Warfare UW strategy.

    #BREAKINGNEWS #ANALYSIS #MAP
    THE RUSSIAN ARMY STARTED ITS OFFENSIVE EAST OF #MARIUPOL.
    Tanks,Grad,artillery,surv.jets pic.twitter.com/DeQxZI8Bm0

    #Mariupol: reports of #Russia's armed forces massing, surveilling, attacking villages on the outskirts of the city. pic.twitter.com/PcSKjlroOu

    What after Mariupol? Berdyansk, Melitopol, Henichesk (road to Crimea), Zaporizhia (largest Europe nucl. power plant) pic.twitter.com/tFqPZLENzH

    Russian/separatist in Kominternove have hit Ukrainian forces at Lebedynske, 5km from outskirts of #Mariupol #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/72gGl6DGGz
    Reports from Kominternove are a bit sketchy.
    Some say gets shelled,some say already under Russian control and source of shelling at Vodyane.

    Pro-Russian forces massing near #Ukraine's port city of #Mariupol tried to overrun a troop position overnight. pic.twitter.com/vFDeJkt2lH

    #RUSSIAN AIR FORCE JETS were seen flying over #Mariupol #Ukraine http://translate.googleusercontent.c...7wAuusRaBjPXLw
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