Notice just how quickly Russia "blames" the victim" and their trolls go to work "framing the Ukraine"Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
Putin's propaganda machin already produced video: "We warned you - they will kill themselves just to frame us" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iatd...ure=youtu.be&a …
Moscow city admin warns that procession to mourn Nemtsov instead of planned Spring demonstration is illegal http://tvrain.ru/articles/merija_mos..._vesna-383068/ …
Vladimir Milov: Few doubts authorities behind Nemtsov's killing (in Russian)http://v-milov.livejournal.com/404003.html
LifeNews Publishes Video of Getaway Car of Nemtsov's Murder Suspects
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...-28-2015/#7181 … pic.twitter.com/PdHBOaPbQF
#Nemtsov murder proves him right, sadly: "3 years ago, we were an opposition. Now we are no more than dissidents” https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/27...ead-in-moscow/ …
Notice the Russian troll world shifts gears and uses this to “establish” an Ukrainian link –it is all nothing but the standard “it ain’t us” argument Putin has been using for over a year now and the West still thinks diplomacy will work???
Here's the "Ukrainian link", from Kremlin bots:https://twitter.com/klinok/status/571431786997288960 … https://twitter.com/klinok/status/571439075758084096 … https://twitter.com/jakoryuri/status/571426452136206336 …
From the hate factory:
"Total lawlessness. Closing a bridge at night because of a national traitor."
pic.twitter.com/zOSKXWc7XC
Russian media, following script:
"The Ukrainian girl with Nemtsov might have "led" him to the site of the murder."pic.twitter.com/jLkZigcuKU
Notice again the standard "it ain't us and it has got to be those Ukrainians own fault"?
That has been the massive Russian disinformation messaging since Feb 2014 and has anyone anywhere seen in the western media any push back on this messaging--none.
An interesting question-- does even the mainstream western media even know what disinformation messaging is and is the current mainstream journalism even able to answer it when they are so trained for the 30 second news bite and the 24 hour news cycle?
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True suicide or KGB/FSB killing to eliminate any links to Russia?????
Mikhail Chechetov, a former MP with Viktor Yanukovych's party who was under criminal investigation, committed suicide http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/02/28/7060029/ …
Chechetov knew a lot abt inner workings of Party of Regions: his suicide is a loss to Ukraine's justice, which could have extracted evidence
Now just maybe we in the West will understand the deep deep fear of Putin over the Maidan—his worst nightmare is that the Russian civil society will finally stand up and demand an end to the massive corruption and the pillaging of their natural resources for Putin and his oligarch circle.
Therein lies the real reason for the annexation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine—Putin wants to destroy any further Maidan’s in the former Soviet Union.
Everything else that has come out of Putin and his Russian FM since the Crimea ie Russian humiliation, NATO expansion, US controlling unipolar world, US aggressiveness towards Russia etc is nothing but myths nothing more nothing less used as a disinformation campaign cover to cover up his inherent three geo political goals using his UW strategy:
1. disconnect the US from Europe
2. total discredit of NATO
3. total discredit of the EU
Why—Putin wants the reestablishment of a superpower status for Russia as an equal among equals and he wants hegemon status over Europe and he is using the emergence of a new form of Russia fascism to achieve this BUT again the single biggest threat to that goal is a Maidan in Moscow.
OR why else was there shortly after the annexation of Crimea a series of over eight new laws targeting the ability to start a Maidan movement--making literally anything that smells, smacks and or looks like a Maidan totally illegal and then using the largest criminal Russian biker gang the Black Wolfs to create a "anti-Maidan protest group" and remember it was the Black Wolfs that were operating in the take over of the Crimea and their leader recently received a high level Russian Award for his activities personally from Putin.
#Nemtsov's murder shows #Russia sliding to "darkness of terror"– #Lithuania president http://en.delfi.lt/central-eastern-e...d1425114380334 … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/mreGNab3wX
There is “another Russia” we never hear about in our mainstream western media that does want a different future for Russia—ever wonder why?
Russia robbed of a brave, authentic and distinctive voice http://gu.com/p/4682v/stw
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Check the date of the article Sept 3 2014 just right after the Russian invasion in August which the US called "an incursion" and by the way they still have not changed the term to "invasion" which it is even if we decide to use the Webster's as a neutral definition.
Snyder was recently on a speaking tour in the Czech Republic and had a series of interview answers that are equally telling--will dig them out and repost them as they are spot on. He fully "understands both Putin and exactly what is ongoing in the Ukraine and yet one does not hear much from him in the mass mainstream media-wonder why??
This was the article that some SWJ commenters to offense to but when we look at Russian actions since Sept then was the article so wrong when the Sec. of State declared recently "that Russia has been lying to his face"?
To Understand Putin, Read Orwell
Ukraine, Russia and the Big Lie.By TIMOTHY SNYDER
September 03, 2014
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.VPGPSmA5DIU
Anyone who wants to understand the current Russian position on Ukraine would do well to begin with George Orwell’s classic, 1984. The connections go deeper than the adjective “Orwellian”: the structure and the wisdom of the book are guides, often frighteningly precise ones, to current events.
The easiest way to begin, in light of the now entirely open Russian invasion of Ukraine, is with “War is Peace,” one of the slogans of the imagined empire in Orwell’s tale. After all, every attempt thus far at negotiation and cease-fire has been accompanied by a Russian escalation, to the point where we can be certain that this is not a coincidence. If Russian President Vladimir Putin meets with other leaders, we must simply expect that this is cover for the latest outrage, as with the entrance of Russian troops, armor and artillery during the recent talks in Minsk.
Sound familiar with the Minsk 2 all night agreement and then the subsequent Russian assault on Debaltseve?
AND the West response--virtual silence from the French and Germans.
But we need to dig a bit deeper into the plot for the three concepts needed to understand this very strange war, in which Putin has radicalized Russian politics, destroyed a European peace order, challenged Europeans’ assumptions about their entire future — and even threatened nuclear war. Every reason proffered to explain a war that is pointless to the point of nihilism is obviously bogus or self-contradictory or both. To grasp this horrible event in which people are killing and dying for no discernible reason, we need to remember some key concepts from Orwell: Eurasia, doublethink and learning to love Big Brother.
In Orwell’s 1984, one of the world powers is called Eurasia. Interestingly enough, Eurasia is the name of Russia’s major foreign policy doctrine. In Orwell’s dystopia, Eurasia is a repressive, warmongering state that “comprises the whole of the northern part of the European and Asiatic land-mass, from Portugal to the Bering Strait.” [U]In Russian foreign policy, Eurasia is a plan for the integration of all the lands from—you guessed it—Portugal to the Bering Strait. Orwell’s Eurasia practices “neo-Bolshevism”; Russia’s leading Eurasian theorist once called himself a “national Bolshevik.” This man, the influential Alexander Dugin, has long advocated that the Ukrainian state be destroyed, and has very recently proposed that Russia exterminate Ukrainians.
Orwell can help us understand what is happening to us as if we make a good-faith effort to use Russian media official sources to try to understand the world. Russian propaganda about Ukraine is today’s doublethink: it requires that people, as Orwell put it, “hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing both of them.” Russian propaganda daily pounds out two sides to every story, both of which are false, and each of which contradicts the other. Consider the propositions in italics below, all of which should by now, after eight months of repetition, sound familiar.
"One the one hand, Russia must invade Ukraine because the Ukrainian state is repressive. (In fact, Ukraine is a democracy with free expression and is in every respect a freer country than Russia.) On the other hand, Russia must intervene because the Ukrainian state does not exist. (In fact, it is just as functional as the Russian state, except in the problematic spheres of war, intelligence and propaganda.)"
Timothy Snyder is Housum professor of History at Yale University and the author of Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin.
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My view has shifted to some degree towards a great weighting of the internal logic of Putins quasi-regime compared to other political aspects in Putins foreign policy.
... "We need officers capable of following systematically the path of logical argument to its conclusion, with disciplined intellect, strong in character and nerve to execute what the intellect dictates"
General Ludwig Beck (1880-1944);
Speech at the Kriegsakademie, 1935
Firn--it has always been about the Maidan--why because he was stunned a fellow Slavic Brother country could spin out of control and ditch the Motherland.
The though a civil society demanding the rule of law, transparency and good governance all the while protesting the massive corruption ie the Ukrainian society stunned him and still does.
Putin’s Orthodox Jihad
December 27, 2014
http://20committee.com/2014/12/27/pu...rthodox-jihad/
Excerpts taken from the article:
What motivates this is a complex question. Putin is a complex character himself, with his worldview being profoundly shaped by his long service as a Soviet secret policeman; he exudes what Russians term Chekism – conspiracy-based thinking that sees plots abounding and is reflexively anti-Western, with heavy doses of machismo and KGB tough-talk. Hence persistent Western efforts to view Putin as any Western sort of democratic politician, albeit one with a strange affectation for judo and odd bare-chested photo-ops with scary wild animals, invariably miss the mark.
This year ending also saw the mask drop regarding Putin’s ideology beyond his bone-deep Chekism. In his fire-breathing speech to the Duma in March when he announced Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Putin included not just venerable KGB classics like warnings about the Western Fifth Column and “national traitors,” but also paeans to explicit Russian ethnic nationalism buttressed by Orthodox mysticism, with citations of saints from millennia past. This was the culmination of years of increasingly unsubtle hints from Putin and his inner circle that what ideologically motivates this Kremlin is the KGB cult unified with Russian Orthodoxy. Behind the Chekist sword and shield lurks the Third Rome, forming a potent and, to many Russians, plausible worldview. That this take on the planet and its politics is intensely anti-Western needs to be stated clearly.
But what of Putin’s actual beliefs? This knotty question is, strictly speaking, unanswerable, since only he knows his own soul. Putin’s powerful Chekism is beyond doubt, while many Westerners are skeptical that he is any sort of Orthodox believer. According to his own account, Putin’s father was a militant Communist while his mother was a faithful, if quiet, Orthodox believer; one wonders what holidays were like in the Putin household. He was baptized in secret as a child but was not any sort of engaged believer during his KGB service — that would have been impossible, not least due to the KGB’s role in persecuting religion — but by his own account, late in the Soviet period, Putin reconciled his Chekism with his faith by making the sign of the cross over his KGB credentials. By the late 1990’s, Putin was wearing his baptismal cross openly, for all bare-chested photo ops.
The turn to faith in middle-age, after some sort of life crisis, is a staple of conversion and reversion stories. In his last years in power, Saddam Hussein began talking a lot about Islam openly, which was dismissed as political theater in the West, but in retrospect seems to have been at least somewhat sincere. Did Putin opt for Orthodoxy after a mid-life crisis? I am an Orthodox believer myself and, having carefully watched many video clips of Putin in church and at religious events, I can state without reservation that Putin knows what to do. His religious act — kissing icons, lighting candles, interacting with clerics — is flawless, so Putin is either a sincere Orthodox or he has devoted serious study to looking and acting like one.
Whether this faith is genuine or a well-honed pose, Putin’s potent fusion of KGB values and Orthodoxy has been building for years, though few Westerners have noticed. Early in Putin’s years in the Kremlin, the younger generation of Federal Security Service (FSB) officers embraced a nascent ideology they termed “the system” (sistema), which was a sort of elitist Chekism — toughness free of corruption and based in patriotism — updated for the new 21st century. However, this could have limited appeal to the masses, so its place was gradually taken by a doctrine termed “spiritual security.” This involved the ideological fusion of the FSB and the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), culminating in the 2002 dedication of an Orthodox church at the Lubyanka, the FSB — and former KGB’s — notorious Moscow headquarters. It suddenly became fashionable for senior FSB officers to have conversion experiences, while “spiritual security” offered Putin’s Russia a way to defend itself against what it has long seen as the encroachment of decadent post-modern Western values. Just how seriously Putin took all this was his statement that Russia’s “spiritual shield” was as important to her security as her nuclear shield.
It is in this context that Putin’s comments at last year’s Valdai Club event ought to be seen:
Another serious challenge to Russia’s identity is linked to events taking place in the world. Here there are both foreign policy and moral aspects. We can see how many of the Euro-Atlantic countries are actually rejecting their roots, including the Christian values that constitute the basis of Western civilization. They are denying moral principles and all traditional identities: national, cultural, religious and even sexual. They are implementing policies that equate large families with same-sex partnerships, belief in God with the belief in Satan.
The excesses of political correctness have reached the point where people are seriously talking about registering political parties whose aim is to promote pedophilia. People in many European countries are embarrassed or afraid to talk about their religious affiliations. Holidays are abolished or even called something different; their essence is hidden away, as is their moral foundation. And people are aggressively trying to export this model all over the world. I am convinced that this opens a direct path to degradation and primitivism, resulting in a profound demographic and moral crisis.
This week the ideological ante was upped by the Kremlin with the comments of Fr. Vsevolod Chaplin, a media gadfly cleric, who gave a very long newspaper interview in which he castigated, among other things, radical Islam, usury, and the West generally, but it was his comments on the current conflict with America that got all the attention. Chaplin minced no words, proclaiming that Russia’s God-given goal today is halting the global “American project.” As he explained:
It is no coincidence that we have often, at the price of our own lives … stopped all global projects that disagreed with our conscience, with our vision of history and, I would say, with God’s own truth .. Such was Napoleon’s project, such was Hitler’s project. We will stop the American project too.”
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MASSIVE PHOTO: caught by social media
REMEMBER Putin's exact words in Budapest recently---he understands that the Ukrainians "feel bad about losing to miners and truck drivers-but that is life"!!!
Germany only has two artillery BNs and this far outweighs evens German standards.
#Incredible
20 2S1 #Gvozdika 122-mm self-propelled howitzers in one column.Local shop for miners and truck drivers????????No.
pic.twitter.com/Y67aJZN5h2
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Comment from a leading Black Wolf Russian biker gang member:
Read it carefully as it reflects the true Russian fear of the Maidan.
Zaldostanov, one of Antimaidan founders: 'Fear of death is the only way to stop Maidan in Rissia'
via @Roman_Yhnovec pic.twitter.com/F4ucj30Rhc
This cannot be the actual level of US assistance to the Ukraine?:
Or is it simply a "feel good thing" for Us decision makers giving them comfort" that they are helping"???
With friends like this one really does not need more enemies.
U.S. Intelligence-Sharing Leaves Ukraine in the Dark
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-inte...ark-1425068644 …
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There is still no real ceasefire as the Russian mercenaries are still moving into new villages and small towns.
russian troops attacking Dzerginsk in Donetsk, half way to Kramatorsk now
In Olenivka- Stepne area militants withdrew 8 armoured vehicles in the daytime, returned them back at night - Tymchuk pic.twitter.com/HUocCltDw0
#NSDC: #Kharkiv blast was caused by MON-100 anti-personnel mine w/ 2kg of TNT enacted by cell phone, received
SBU has detained 3 prs who committed the #Kharkiv terror act, are part of Oplot gang. The bomb was put in action by ex-Berkut staff - #NSDC
Police detained local citizen with 18 RPGs in Dnipropetrovsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/28-febr...ith-18-rpgs-in …
Ruins and recriminations after rebel advance on two east Ukrainian towns http://reut.rs/1DlUV5F
Fight at a rugby match in Krasnodar: Fans, police, Cossacks MT“ https://instagram.com/p/zpjPaHo7WN
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Dugin:"Re-post massively! We need urgently artillerymen, tank operators, commanders, recon-provocateurs for Ukraine" https://vk.com/duginag?w=wall18631635_4620 …
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firn---his killing of a major leading opposition leader may have unintended consequences that Putin has not foreseen:
One of the bravest FRONT-ON confrontations with Putin on #Nemtsov in the Russian media...from Moskovski Komsomolets http://www.mk.ru/politics/2015/02/28...atory-kto.html …
AWAITING the translation as social media has asked for it.
Telegraph News ✔ @TelegraphNews
Boris #Nemtsov murder: 'Putin now governs mostly through terror and propaganda' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...ropaganda.html … pic.twitter.com/WJZZqxZdFo
Carl Bildt ✔ @carlbildt Former Swedish FM
Murder of Boris Nemtsov is the Donbass war coming to Moscow. Read what he wrote on the aggression against Ukraine. http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-e...ne-362884.html
Light the match and stand back. Poster from last weekend of Nemtsov as "Organizer of Maidan," pic.twitter.com/DbOyYxi0wN
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John Schindler @20committee
Murder of Nemtsov on the streets of Moscow, without any real effort at cover, indicates where we are headed with Putin. Get ready, folks...
Russian snap drill could turn into assault on "one or several Baltic capitals" http://buff.ly/1LQIjdb
pic.twitter.com/M7V0zdwwNO
10ppl have been liberated from captivity today - 8 mil of volunteer battalions, 1 of the 128th brigade (injured), 1civilian - Channel 5 live
Here's that video about why Russian occupation is good with eng subtitle shared by Russian Deputy PM@DRogozin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes …
Video is focused at Obama
Carl Bildt ✔ @carlbildt
A video produced by Boris Nemtsov last summer on Russian official responsibility for the Donbass war. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFhnqw0sE8 …
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Boris Nemtsov & Leonid Martyniuk's short film on Putin's war in Ukraine: The Warmonger
http://youtu.be/vfFhnqw0sE8
Blogs of War @BlogsofWar
Putin's 'Hybrid' Great Terrorhttp://goo.gl/yntdTR
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Seems the ceasefire is slowly heating up again as the world watches Moscow---notice not a single statement by any western leader on why Russia and her mercenaries are still not adhering to the ceasefire-wonder why?
#Russia(ns) from #Horlivki shelling #Dzerzhinsk w heavy artilleryhttp://translate.googleusercontent.c...22UumyYQFrKxhg … #Ukraine #Donetsk #Nemtsov pic.twitter.com/HuOrgUUq81
Tymchuk says #Russia|ns 'withdraw' at daylight just to return to it's previous positions when it's dark
#Shyrokyne under small arms attacks non stop, battalion Azov saysSource video. Somewhere east of #Donetsk city, I would say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHXk2MmPQis …
If the West has not yet understood #Putin & his plans for war...
Here it's well explained: "#Russia occupation=good"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes …
In #Shyrokyne area terrorist snipers work 24 hours a day, firing almost without pauseshttp://vk.cc/3wl3b7
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More Russian disinformation:
#Russian & #Ukrainian #TV viewers live on different planets #truth is #Ukraine's weapon http://wapo.st/1BqrItG pic.twitter.com/NbiTHP10xA
You want to know how to catch Kremlin-paid trolls? Just type "господа либералы" in search. No one else uses this phrase.
Last edited by davidbfpo; 03-01-2015 at 12:03 AM.
The ceasefire is simply not being implemented by Russia and when will the western leaders finally realize that??
Why is it hard for them to admit diplomacy has actually failed and will continue to fail as Putin cannot be trusted on anything he says and or signs. hand.
If I can count 21 things he has stated he is doing and or will be doing and yet nothing--- then they can see it to--yet silence.
OSCE Monitors see movement, not withdrawal, by Kremlin-backed separatists as scattered fighting continues http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...es-382160.html …
HERE it comes again—question is when Russian troops and her mercenaries make a move on Kharkiv??? Remember Putin made statements in early Sept he was surprised the mercenaries did not initially take Kharkiv and Odessa.
In today's other news from Moscow, some blokes set up a "Kharkiv People's Republic" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80PMW3zF6QE&sns=em …
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There is supposedly a "ceasefire in effect" and what are the Russian mercenaries and troops still doing?
19:26 #Horlivka @Dbnmjr: The militants are trying to break thru Fenolna St towards #Dzherzhynsk. MG fire & cannon shots, in small group
20:25 #Shaktarsk @olegdon3: 23 Ural/Kamaz trucks from #Donetsk direction eastward, yday at 22:50, 22:40 the day before yday, return at 4-5am
UKR- Moldova's Transnistria border: 102 mortar bombs were found in an arms cache @radiosvoboda pic.twitter.com/4HM194rQbm http://bit.ly/1BqGGjr
As NATO military personnel trickle into Ukraine, could it be too little, too late? http://econ.st/1LPGYRZ pic.twitter.com/CUtqKmoBlM
Will just put it here. From the news feed: 11 #Russian SOF soldiers went missing near Mariupol http://ukrainianwall.com/ukraine/pod...ry-i-razvedka/ …
#Avdeevka 8 pm - terrorists shelled with tanks and artillery. One women wounded
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Interesting today to say the least from the eastern Ukraine
#Donbas thug #Zakharchenko accuses #Chechnya thug #Kadyrov of murdering #Nemtsov...
50% of Zakharchenko's soldiers are Chechens
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