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    mirhond--you forgot the 1926 killed Russian troops and mercenaries alone in the Debeltseve pocket battle many who were airborne and SF.

    if I remember did not Putin in Minsk and Budapest Hungary state that the Ukrainians would suffer 500 killed and over 2000 POWs and they should simply surrender as they were fully surrounded.

    and what happened?????

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    Russian mobilization of 76,000 troops for this current ongoing general snap mobilization exercise is breaking the terms of the Vienna Document 2011 Chapters V and VI that Russia itself signed.

    Russian airborne troop and IFV column spotted moving on the roadway near Pskov.

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    mirhond--seems the Maidan is inflecting Russia--watch out

    1. Particiopants in the Crimea Anniversary Rally in Kalingrad "demanded" that their Governor resign

    2. For 2 hours of demonstrating for " Crimea is Ours" paid only 300 rubles

    3. From Life News---Concerned Novorossiya man complains about the Kyiv "junta" oppressing his local Donetsk Nazi Chapter--really mihrond a "Nazi Chapter" in Dontesk????

    thought there were no Nazis in Russia---?

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    Putin claims to be defending Russian speakers from the Kyiv Nazi junta in the Crimea and eastern Ukraine--then why are Tartars disappearing and or being driven out of Crimea now after Stalin drove them into the Gulags??

    Little know fact about the Russian language--

    In the whole of the Ukraine there is one group that speaks unspoilt dialect free Russian--Crimean Tartars--ethnic Russians do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    mirhond--you forgot the 1926 killed Russian troops and mercenaries alone in the Debeltseve pocket battle many who were airborne and SF.

    http://askforevidence.org/ask-for-evidence/new

    Evidence? Bah, it's like asking Goebbels for evidence.
    Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://askforevidence.org/ask-for-evidence/new

    Evidence? Bah, it's like asking Goebbels for evidence.
    And Putin is not a fascist--come on mirhond--show me the money is a saying--and Durgin????

    Putin's statement yesterday was not blatant racist--the last time I checked Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians in 1930-33 and "backfilled them in the Donbas with ethnic Russians"

    Putin---"I view Russians and Ukrainians all as Russians"

    That is like saying "I view everyone in the world that speaks English to be Americans"

    And that is a lie right--and Putin is not lying again for the 60th time since Crimea????

    First it was the ethnic Russians that wanted the annexation, then I had to protect them from some vague threat and then I sent no military into Crimea, then I sent them in to protect the people THEN the truth I decided to take the Ukraine on my command---see the long line of lies same as Durgin right-- who states all Ukrainians should be killed which would be like 1930-33 under Stalin or the Russian Jewish pogroms right mirhond ??

    So Putin is the same as Durgin thus a fascist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://askforevidence.org/ask-for-evidence/new

    Evidence? Bah, it's like asking Goebbels for evidence.
    mirhond--care to comment--three different views of Russia

    Russians waiting 4 money after patriotic march celebrating annexing #Crimea
    photos: Karen Shainyan pic.twitter.com/9dvqA7OswW

    Arseny "Motorola" Pavlov accused by Security Service of Ukraine of killing UA soldiers in captivity.
    pic.twitter.com/Kevd9nfSTU

    Pavlov is a Russian mercenary by the way mirhond.

    #Putin’s #Russia is treading water in a sea of red ink http://reut.rs/18JBI5K

    Hey mirhond how are those food prices these days in Moscow--up by what 23-41% and all those EU food products that were sanctioned by Russia seem to be still on the shelves in the stores--how is that possible--must be a Russian food mafia illegally importing them right mirhond???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://askforevidence.org/ask-for-evidence/new

    Evidence? Bah, it's like asking Goebbels for evidence.
    mirhond --here is more Russian Goebbels talk--even you have to admit it is strange.

    TASS ✔ @tassagency_en
    Russian deputy defense minister calls Russia's attitude to Ukraine good-neighborly http://tass.ru/en/russia/783706

    14.9K Russian and mercenary troops killed since the beginning of ATO
    Russian shellings have virtually ruined villages and towns of so call ethnic Russians
    6K Ukrainians killed
    1M Ukrainian IDPs and refugees
    MH17 shot down by a Russian BUK
    42K Russian and mercenary troops inside eastern Ukraine

    Strange way to define goo-neighborly relations do you not think????

    I would define it "an altered state of reality" or they were simply smoking "something" before the statement.
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    Vilnius train stations step up security due to Russian troops. Green men looking 4 the weak spots? http://ow.ly/3xwAz4

    Latest from SMM, 17 March: fighting continued in areas around the #Donetsk airport and #Shyrokyne, east of #Mariupol. http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/145401

    Military vehicles massing in the field on East borders of Donetskhttp://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-marc...n-east-borders … pic.twitter.com/v4reP8MJyS

    And this is not Russian annexation and out of DC today—silence.
    "Military aggression against South Ossetia to be considered aggression against Russia" http://tass.ru/en/world/78372
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    Right now the Russian military is slowly and steadily and quietly reaching what some would openly call "full scale wartime mobilization levels".

    Canada at NATO ✔ @CanadaNATO
    #Ukraine scenario redux? Russian nationalists want revision of #Belarus-#Russia bordershttp://belsat.eu/en/articles/under-u...ussia-borders/ … pic.twitter.com/qCNeq0zrqA

    The current Russian snap exercises were initially for 38K and registered with OSCE but then jumped to 76K and not registered---just another treaty violation as is the basing of Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad is a direct violation of the INF treaty which they have already violated with their new long range cruise missile.

    Each day the number of troops grows larger. TASS: Arctic snap check involves 80,000 servicemen - General Staff. http://tass.ru/en/russia/783728

    Oleksandr Zadorozhniy (UA). Russia violated around 400 bilateral Russian-Ukrainian agreements.

    Yesterday after Putin speech at redsquare crowd chanted to invade Poland and Finland. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/18/03/201...7947689024d18c
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://askforevidence.org/ask-for-evidence/new

    Evidence? Bah, it's like asking Goebbels for evidence.
    mirhond--thought you might like this:


    Powerful music video about #Ukraine's spirit and history repeating itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO8U8UXVlA4&sns=fb

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    Militants fire artillery and mortars at Ukrainian army overnight
    http://www.unian.info/war/1057344-mi...overnight.html … pic.twitter.com/cmdxASzr9c

    Russian “altered state of reality” and what about “disappearing Tartars”?
    Peskov: Crimean Tatars have same rights as other Crimeanshttp://www.unian.info/society/105734...-crimeans.html … pic.twitter.com/LiqTgU8FES

    OSCE is slowly getting a backbone---
    СММ ОБСЄ в Україні @OSCE_SMM
    A.Hug:SMM will not be simply rubber-stamping verification of weapons withdrawal.Nor will stay silent on our freedom of movement restrictions
    СММ ОБСЄ в Україні @OSCE_SMM
    #OSCE_SMM monitors continue to face unacceptable restrictions on their freedom of movement - Alexander Hug
    SMM Deputy Chief Monitor: While ceasefire is largely holding there continue to be violations - in and around Donetsk airport & E of Mariupol

    Ukrainian guerrilla units are again on the move inside mercenary held areas:
    Ukrainian guerrillas claim to destroy militant equipment in Donetskhttp://www.unian.info/war/1057338-uk...n-donetsk.html … pic.twitter.com/u5OTMlQEAP
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    Is the Russian military "trying to climb out of a very deep hole they dug themselves"????

    Something like this has not be released since the days of "good relations" back in 2013 when Dempsey was in Moscow.

    Deputy Minister: Russian defense minister will answer if US defense secretary makes a call

    March 19, 11:52 UTC+3

    According to the official, Russia does not seek confrontation between US and NATO
    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu
    © ITAR-TASS/Alexei Nikolsky

    NATO voices concern over Russian drills amid increased activity near its borders

    MOSCOW, March 19. /TASS/. If US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter decides to "make a call" to Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, there will be "no negative answer," Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told RT on Thursday.

    "If, for example, minister of defense of the United States decides to make a call to Mr. Shoigu, I am sure there will be no negative answer from his side," Antonov said. Shoigu sent a letter congratulating Ashton Carter with appointment in February this year.

    Channels and connections between Russia and US still exist, but they are not used, Antonov said.

    Russia does not seek confrontation between US and NATO, but "they must change their behavior," Antonov said. "It was not Moscow [that] has decided to freeze military relations between Washington and Moscow," he added.

    Antonov also reminded that Russia’s Defense Ministry has invited its American colleagues to the 4th International Security Conference in Moscow on April 16-17.

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    Reference Russian violations of OSCE and Vienna Convention Treaties during their current military exercises.

    No. They are not exempt. Putting more than 9k troops into any operation without 42 days notice contravenes.

    13k+ troops requires OSCE monitors/See http://www.state.gov/t/avc/cca/c43837.htmhttp://www.osce.org/fsc/86597

    Number of personnel involved in surprise inspection has grown to 80,000+; number of aircraft has increased to 220 http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150319/1053375124.html

    Russian Su-34 and Su-27 aircraft, Airbase Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad Oblast 17 March photos. via RMNE http://shokidriver.blogspot.co.uk/20...st-photos.html

    #Russia|n Su-27 military jets from 159th Fighter Aviation Regmnt in Karelia, at Chernyahovsk air base nr #Kaliningrad pic.twitter.com/eLJBW88OyM

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    Some say the Chechen leader now controls Putin---three honor awards in less than a week
    Meet Kadyrov, #Chechnya warlord monster #Putin created & tolerated, now slipping out of control w horror abuses. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/wo...=top-news&_r=0

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Hotspots: #Shyrokyne, #Donetsk airport, outskirts of #Horlivka, areas north of #Debaltseve

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Pro-Russian militants amasses forces, ammo and fuel. More ammo arrived on militant-held #Krasnadon railway station

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    #DPR c/p “commander” near #Zaichenko threatened to kill @OSCE_SMM observers, in clear violation international law

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Apakan, @OSCE_SMM Chief Monitor emphasized that the Ukrainian military fulfils its obligations and complies with Minsk II

    Donetsk: yet another form of transportation of Russia's hybrid army.
    pic.twitter.com/UkwyBSb0Ti
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    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Soldiers of the 128th Mechanized Brigade received 55,000 UAH for seizing enemy T-72

    #LPR cancelled all vacations for its forces from March 18 says #Ukraine's NSDC

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Col. Valentyn Fedichev, Dep Head of ATO Command, confirmed #DPR mobilizes college and school students to replenish their forces.

    Ukrainian intelligence official claims MH17 shot down by missile built in Russiahttp://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-inte...ory&soc_trk=tw … via @YahooNews

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Militants experience severe shortages of manpower due to heavy casualties and denial of rank-and-file to fight.

    Last night a Kiev taxi driver told us he was a #Ukrainian National Guard fighter in Slaviansk while his father was fighting on the DNR side.

    Great @SergeyPonomarev shot w @herszenhorn's story about links btw Kadyrov and Nemtsov murder. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/wo...rder-case.html … pic.twitter.com/EaIdFe8fYm
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    Ukrainian Military Reports Attacks Near Donetsk and Gorlovka. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ts-river/#7575

    The Russian's stop @OSCE from entering #Russia|n occupied #Novoazovsk in east #Ukraine.https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
    https://youtu.be/IXc8EJFlIVc

    Танки #RU_HYBRID_army
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=48...9088&z=16&m=yh
    https://archive.today/FFRaI
    pic.twitter.com/gqGAsX65K5

    DFM Dondua of Georgia: announcement of signing Russia's phony treaty w S Ossetia on same day as Georgia/Russia negotiations = RF provocation

    Fighting On The Banks Of The Seversky Donets River. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ts-river/#7574 … pic.twitter.com/OxbxvAxkls

    #russiannavy Victor III sub "Obninsk" loading practice torpedo at Severomorsk Naval Base on Mar 16 pic.twitter.com/nQiwz5Cltq

    Russian moving nuclear-capable forces close to NATO borders while conducing large scale military exercises http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/moscow-movi...russia-1492481
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Is the Russian military "trying to climb out of a very deep hole they dug themselves"????

    Something like this has not be released since the days of "good relations" back in 2013 when Dempsey was in Moscow.

    Deputy Minister: Russian defense minister will answer if US defense secretary makes a call

    March 19, 11:52 UTC+3

    According to the official, Russia does not seek confrontation between US and NATO
    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu
    © ITAR-TASS/Alexei Nikolsky

    NATO voices concern over Russian drills amid increased activity near its borders

    MOSCOW, March 19. /TASS/. If US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter decides to "make a call" to Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, there will be "no negative answer," Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told RT on Thursday.

    "If, for example, minister of defense of the United States decides to make a call to Mr. Shoigu, I am sure there will be no negative answer from his side," Antonov said. Shoigu sent a letter congratulating Ashton Carter with appointment in February this year.

    Channels and connections between Russia and US still exist, but they are not used, Antonov said.

    Russia does not seek confrontation between US and NATO, but "they must change their behavior," Antonov said. "It was not Moscow [that] has decided to freeze military relations between Washington and Moscow," he added.

    Antonov also reminded that Russia’s Defense Ministry has invited its American colleagues to the 4th International Security Conference in Moscow on April 16-17.
    Watch the interplay between this "apparent attempt to reach out" and the not to subtle true threat against NATO AND then the interplay between the Russian exercises and the sudden increased fighting by the Russian troops and their mercenaries that started at the same time as the Russian military exercises--and there is no connection???

    Russian non linear warfare and informational conflict at work.

    Russia's massive military exercises are a clear warning to NATO— via @Stratfor http://read.bi/1FEw2Hk pic.twitter.com/PXRdkgVPgT

    Numbers-Stations.com @Spy_Stations
    The map of the major Russian drills in last few weeks. Looks like a buildup for large scale operations. pic.twitter.com/0N5UTXCumB

    John Schindler @20committee
    Over the last year I've repeatedly warned that Putin isn't bluffing, he believes what he says, and he's in this to win it. Believe me now?

    Numbers-Stations.com @Spy_Stations
    USSTRATCOM accuses Russian air force of breaking in the US air defense zones.
    http://ria.ru/world/20150319/1053484496.html

    Nuclear EMP!! #Russia Kaliningrad might try turn off electricity allover EU:http://www.icanswitzerland.ch/wp/wp-...nsequenzen.pdf … pic.twitter.com/6ezwPDfi4t

    How Russian EMP weapons are designed to work—from Russian research in 1994
    How it works pic.twitter.com/FUvumqyTAj

    Iran endorses nuclear EMP attack on United Stateshttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/iran-endorses-

    A factor with Russian readiness check not to be forgotten is the so-called 'geo-strategic triangle'. pic.twitter.com/oU6OdguMgh

    John Schindler @20committee
    Putin is no top-level strategist. But Western leaders can't even spell strategy. Now: #SpecialWar. Next up: Worse. http://20committee.com/2015/03/19/pu...gainst-europe/
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    Killers Russian opposition leader #Nemtsov believed to have been paid $85,000 http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...rt/517710.html

    Nope, no miners, tractor drivers fighting in east #Ukraine, just #Russia|n armed forces:https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text= … pic.twitter.com/4a9AxRnSMZ

    Russian BMD column (15 vehicles) 60 kms from Latvia's border near Pskov
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zVyUmIhJG0
    @Spy_Stations pic.twitter.com/GXCnFNnxkG

    WT heck? Russian DDM Antonov talks of "Boy Scouts...who walk in pants with straps carrying pennants of various colours" http://tass.ru/en/russia/783781

    Howitzers column from Panfilova to Artema st, 'looks like towards the airport'. Donetskhttp://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-marc...rtema-st-looks

    #Germany's @BenjaminBidder interviewed #Russia fascist poster-boy #Strelkov... just 14 nations he wants to destroy. pic.twitter.com/bNkzv1tJIo
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    Appears the current Minsk 2 ceasefire is about over as the Russian troops and their mercenaries are picking up the fighting pace at the same time a massive Russian military exercise is underway--and there is not a distinct connection???

    18.03 N of armed provocations on increase: #Russian militants used heavy weapons near #Donetsk- #Ukraine's presser http://en.censor.net.ua/n329056

    OSCE ✔ @OSCE
    .@OSCE_SMM observed fighting in areas around #Donetsk airport, Horlivka and Shyrokyne, east of #Mariupol. Latest at http://bit.ly/1DCEN57

    BREAKING:combat b/w #Ukrainian forces& #Russian terrorists ongoing since 6:05 #Kyiv time -spox of M sector Sushynskyi pic.twitter.com/HQeBHAjYvQ

    19.03 #Russian terrorists attempted capture of bridge near #Luhansk, engagement ongoing- #Ukraine's army pressofficer http://en.censor.net.ua/n329173

    #Russian terrorists preparing special operation in #Donetsk on 20.03.15 aimed at disrupting #Minsk-2 - #Ukraine's SBUhttp://en.censor.net.ua/n329177

    OSCE: Ukrainian Army cooperates with the mission. Pro-Russian militants restrict access for our observers.
    http://uacrisis.org/obse-6/
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