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    Appears the social media open source analysis crew around bellingcat and ukraineatwar blogspot called the MH17 shot down by Russian AD units using their BUK correctly.

    AND they called it correctly days after the shot down and discredited all attempts by Russian information warfare to point the responsibility to someone else.

    International experts say #MH17 shot down by BUK missile http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binne...-all-hallmarks … pic.twitter.com/p5W9blCXKW

    Fragment from MH17 crash site supports missile theory: Dutch TVhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0MF1ZW20150319

    Evidence proving that #MH-17 was taken down by a BUK missile
    http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buite...wn-buk-missile
    http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binne...finitive-proof … VIDEO pic.twitter.com/rr6ZgKZulV

    BUK pieces found despite much of MH17 wreckage destroyed at the spot by Russia military or removed

    Videos with English subs - MH17 shot down by missile BUK: The definitive proofhttp://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binne...finitive-proof … pic.twitter.com/gz9P2Koa58

    More proof that a Russian BUK missile shot down passenger plane MH17: http://read.bi/1CxzUJ3 pic.twitter.com/2ZWVMDLZzq
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    Excellent open source analysis by ukraineatwar blog spot on a Russian BUK unit stationed 22kms from the site of the MH17 shot down--will be interesting to see how Russian internet trolls respond to this analysis.

    Well worth reading through the analysis.

    Evidence of Russian BUK battery deployment near Ukrainian border 22 kms from #MH17 launch sitehttp://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...tery-near.html … pic.twitter.com/wE65JKHwkC

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    Minsk 2 just about over and driven by Russia who has no intent in implementing it as it requires free and open elections in the mercenary zones under Ukrainian election law.

    #Luhansk. Shelling is heard 5 km east of the city. Situation is getting tense | EMPR @ukrainebang

    Moscow extremely uncomfortable with Kiev talking about free elections in separatist areas. Surprise, surprise. http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/brp_4.nsf/e7...3!OpenDocument
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    OSCE_SMM confirm Col-Gen A. Lentsov, Dep Cmdr Russian Ground Forces, still operating from JCCC HQ Soledar in Ukraine. http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/145846

    19.03. #Russian militants fire artillery and mortars at #Ukrainian army overnight http://www.unian.info/war/1057344-mi...overnight.html

    #Ukraine's SBU: #Russian militants preparing sabotage in #Donetsk and #Luhansk ahead of fresh attacks http://www.unian.info/politics/10574...h-attacks.html

    'Black berets' returned to #Mykolaiv from E #Ukraine. Warmly welcomed by relatives&friends https://www.facebook.com/theministry...74153179313855 … pic.twitter.com/Q8Im8I6WMH

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    Vehicle of militant's commander Givi was attacked in Donetsk pic.twitter.com/61duvYw0so http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-marc...i-was-attacked

    12 wagons with ammunition for militants arrive in Krasnodon – Ukrainian colonel
    http://www.unian.info/war/1057666-12...n-colonel.html … pic.twitter.com/ld07ZFaHxG


    A core element in Russian non linear warfare
    John Schindler @20committee
    EXCLUSIVE: Putin Turns Up His #SpecialWar Against Europe -- How Kremlin espionage lays the groundwork for major war. http://20committee.com/2015/03/19/pu...gainst-europe/

    Bridge over Siversky Donets was blasted & destroyed. Connected Stanytsia Luhanska w/ #Luhanskhttp://informator.lg.ua/?p=78224 pic.twitter.com/uzZLvUAEdT
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    Russian response was quick and anticipated this way--but really all they state is hoax not much of a defense.

    Lavrov: Reuters information about MH17 looks like hoax
    pic.twitter.com/OekGReA8Hd http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...h17-looks-like

    #Russia's quick to cry "hoax" now that guilty verdict on #MH17 is finally in. As ridiculous as its Nemtsov "versions" pic.twitter.com/caz9e1zmCL
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    Russia violates truce by keeping missile systems near front while militants have not withdrawn heavy weapons – US amb http://en.censor.net.ua/n329221

    Serb fighters in trouble in Donetsk in so far mysterious incident This is Pocuca. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

    Russian military convoy in Crimea pic.twitter.com/hUvYPopG0O http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-marc...nvoy-in-crimea

    Russian tanks in Lohvynove pic.twitter.com/59ggyusVdG http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-marc...s-in-lohvynove

    No #Gazprom connection:
    #Turkey+#Azerbaijan announce pipeline to bring gas to #EU; next day #Russia proxy #Armenia attacks Azerbaijan troops
    Fighting erupts in Nagorno-Karabakh. Azeris claim up to 20 Armenians killed or injured http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling...alflow_twitter

    Abt 18:00 the last [partly damaged] bridge in #Stanitsa was blown up, damage scale unknown
    via @LUGANSK_TODAY http://informator.lg.ua/?p=78224

    Russian Airborne special forces training in Murmansk region: 6 hrs flight from Ukraine border. http://function.mil.ru/news_page/cou...2010980@egNews … pic.twitter.com/QDrsbII1qh

    Fighting Resumes Outside Mariupol and Reports of Commuter Bus Hit
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...ts-river/#7582

    In the meantime, #Russia-backed militants shelled with #tanks the town of #Avdiivka ,near #Donetsk |EMPR @NewsDonetsk pic.twitter.com/RI8FsFVneq
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    For the last six months Russia attempted to show it was an Ukrainian SU 25 that shot down MH17 and then today IT is an Ukrainian BUK which was proven to have not been involved and was damaged so it could not have fired anything.

    In a parallel universe far far away, RU Ministry of Defense says "the Buk is Ukrainian" http://ria.ru/mh17/20150319/1053501716.html

    #Russia's Defence Ministry:
    Yesterday: We are sure a #Ukraine Su-25 shot down #MH17!
    Today: We always said a #Ukraine Buk shot down #MH17
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    Russia now attempting to control OSCE decisions via their Serbia friends:

    #Lithuania MFA: #OSCE can not be taken hostage by one delegation's - #Russia‘s wishes. pic.twitter.com/fLqGHO0MPC

    #Serbia OSCE leaders blocked the exhibition on Crimea in #OSCE HQ in Vienna !!
    http://urm.lt/default/en/news/-mfa-s...tion-of-crimea

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    Here comes the Russian attempt to blame the failure of the ceasefire that they are ready to start the fighting again with their troops and mercenaries with the background of their massive military exercises.

    #Russia initiates extraordinary #UNSC session on #Ukraine as #Minsk-II was violated. Does Mr #Churkin want to say:"On yes, we are guilty"?

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Russian envoy to OSCE A.Kelin: Kiev reluctant to enter political settlement dialogue with Donbas http://tass.ru/en/world/783879

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    Seems the Russian Defense Ministry does not know what BUK missile type they use and what the Ukrainians can fire with their BUK M1 systems.

    A Buk 9M317 missile destroyed #MH17.
    #Ukraine does not have 9M317 missiles.
    But #Putin's #Russia has thousands...

    #Russia produces 9M317 missiles since 1998.
    9M317 missiles do NOT fit onto #Ukraine's Buk-M1 system
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    The following is the core reason that now the Russian Defense Ministry is basically lying—I believe they were taken by total surprise that the West was able to get their hands on the BUK-M1-2 warhead which provided the critical evidence.

    So is Putin off to the Hague for crimes against humanity??

    Question #1 - what kind of weapons hit the Boeing? It should be noted that the investigation checked all anti-Ukrainian versions for the purpose of objectivity. Initially, Russia announced it was a Ukrainian Buk [anti-aircraft missile system], but the version was quickly forgotten for it had no sense - the nearest positions of Ukrainian surface-to-air missile systems were hundreds of kilometers away from the crash spot. The explosion destroyed the jet liner's cabin - the plane was hit at the spot. Then, version #2 arose - Russia accused Ukraine of its Su-25 downing the Boeing with its missile. Su-25 did take off that day and performed a task in a different area, but of course it did not approach the jet liner.

    The version was disproved by all experts, including general designer of Su-25, famous Russian airman Vladimir Babak.Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/r328926Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/r328926

    The configuration of missile's submunitions was identified fairly quickly. The extracted submunitions are very similar to those of Buk-M1. Ukraine has such Buks in its defense, but of course, there were none of them near Torez, in the rear of the occupied area, only Russian ones. The form of the elements looks similar, but the size differs. NATO intelligence services have carried out a large-scale parallel search of modern Russian ground-to-air missiles submunitions. By an operation the details of which have not been yet disclosed, a warhead of a Buk-M1-2 missile of Russian production fell into hands of investigators. When it was disassembled, it turned out that submunitions that hit the Boeing are exactly the same as those of the warhead of this modern Russian anti-aircraft missile. Buk-M1-2 complex was developed in 1997, supplied to the Russian Armed Forces in 1998, and never delivered to Ukraine.

    Thus, the Prosecutor's Offices of the Netherlands and Australia have prepared a convincing evidence base which also includes a number of other details that are not yet subject to disclosure.

    Identification of Buk-M1-2 is extremely important for the investigation, not only because it allows establishing that the missile had been supplied by Russia, and its responsibility for the death of 298 people is proved. It also shows that the launch was carried out by military forces of the Russian Federation, for the Buk-M1-2, which was never delivered to Ukraine, can be only used by servicemen having experience with it and being in active military service.

    Both the investigation and investigative journalists have found original photographs of the Buk missile near Torez, and were able to identify the launch site and thereby confirm the authenticity of the missile launch photos, and to prove the authenticity of the photos and videos of Buk transportation near Torez by reference to real geographical coordinates.Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/r328926Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/r328926


    Evidence of Russian BUK battery deployment near Ukrainian border 22 kms from #MH17 launch sitehttp://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...tery-near.html … pic.twitter.com/wE65JKHwkC
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    DNR/LNR accused of kidnapping, theft, drug trafficking, smuggling rackets, & executions.
    http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/14981.html

    Fascism exploited and distorted in #Putin’s #Russia for propaganda's sake http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/03/1...pagandas-sake/

    Stockholm's Security Service Concerned About Possible Russian Military Op Against Sweden
    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...o3NzHA.twitter

    A year later, #Crimea's #Tatars even further In the shadows: at least 18 #Crimean Tatars have gone missing http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine.../26908117.html … via @RFERL

    Protestants in e.#Ukraine & others persecuted by pro-#Russia militants. #Russian Orthodoxy 'ruling church' in region
    https://news.vice.com/video/secret-p...-religious-war

    VIDEO English subtitles: Givi explains an assassination attempt on him. Car hit 12 times.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuVCAHGTCQghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2OPhCdZaQE

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    Latest from SMM, 18.03: Fighting continued in areas around #Donetsk airport, #Horlivka and #Shyrokyne, E #Mariupol http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/145846

    Azov Regiment: During the night from 8-12PM militants fired at our positions 10 times, 5 more #ceasefire violations from midnight to 7AM

    #BreakingNews
    Russian forces fired BM-21 Grad missiles vs the Ukrainian-held village of #Sokolniki last night

    Blown up bridge over Siversky Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-marc...versky-donetsk … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/qAj65Og5ga

    Geoffrey Pyatt ✔ @GeoffPyatt
    Seversky Donets bridge destroyed following several days of Russian-backed seps staging more attempted land grabs
    pic.twitter.com/RW13NzMYEf

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    Ukrainian military report fresh ceasefire violations
    http://uatoday.tv/news/ukrainian-mil...ns-416512.html … pic.twitter.com/7w4i0wUt5k

    “All You Need To Know About Exquisite Art Of Russian Propaganda & Media Lies” by @Hromadske https://medium.com/@Hromadske/all-yo...-1426844222389

    Kyiv Post ✔ @KyivPost
    #Russians in war zone do not like questions http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ns-383956.html … pic.twitter.com/hU5yKykDVm

    Militants fired w/ 120mm mortars at Ukr positions on #Donetsk direction: near Krasnohorivka, Pisky, Donetske https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/967677619909711 … |EMPR

    #BreakingNews
    Russian forces blew up the car bridge near Stanitsa-Luhanska over the Seversky-Donets during a battle last night.

    Washington recognizes right of Ukrainians to respond to separatists' attacks http://24today.net/open

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    This is interesting--Russia has two peacekeeping Bdes--14th and 15th--the
    15th's armored vehicles were spotted three times in the last two months inside eastern Ukraine.

    It must be then the 14th doing "peacekeeping exercises" on peacekeeping experience taught to them by the US 7th army in 2012 and 2013--nice to see US military training hard at work although in the wrong place and with currently the wrong army.

    By the way the training objectives below were on the Russian to be trained for list when they worked with the US Army.

    Donbas? Russian peacekeeping forces (MC) training in Samara for humanitarian aid & maintaining "buffer zone". 20 Mar http://function.mil.ru/news_page/cou...2011024@egNews

    Training for Ukraine? Russian CMD (Samara region) peacekeeping brigade "separated warring parties". RU MoD 20 March http://bit.ly/1MT6aHV

    RUMINT surfacing about a possible Russian led peacekeeping mission via CSTO/CIS countries into eastern Ukraine.
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    Who said there is not a Russian “Holy War” in progress?

    http://20committee.com/2015/01/24/ru...ging-holy-war/

    Kirill in Kaliningrad, on the Russian world. Russia is a not a country but a civilisation, unlimited by borders. http://vlasti.net/news/213927

    At this point, I think we need to start seriously listening to Patriarch Kirill for clues about Russia's foreign policy goals

    This is the narrative now; #Russia is (or should be) a state based on ethnic and national boundaries.

    Unfortunately, it remains unclear how long Russia will continue searching for its own path. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...in/517715.html … pic.twitter.com/Rert6hVxAi

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    Heads up—if the Russian response to the MH17 evidence clearly stating it was a Russian BUK missile that shot down MH17 “it was all a hoax” this should be interesting and again from open source social media.

    This blogger did the open source analysis of the Russian August invasion and pin pointed the exact crossing points used by 4 Russian a.Armored tactical groups suing sat photos.

    I'm going to post some never-before-published satellite imagery of a Russian Buk battery deployed near the Ukraine border & MH17 crash site

    I'm going to post about a dozen images in 5-6 parts and then give more images to tweeps like @EliotHiggins & @DajeyPetros to play with

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    From the “altered state of reality” from the mercenaries:

    Ukraine has fulfilled the heavy weapons withdrawal correctly and together with the OSCE which the OSCE has verified.

    Mercenaries have not and continue to shell and fire on Ukrainian positons and to attempt new land grabs and Russia has done absolutely nothing to even attempt fulfilling Minks 1 and 2 and all the while complained “it is the Ukrainians fault for Minsk failures”.

    AND literally months ago in a published Putin announcement---he stated he had directed his Border Security Command to seal the Russian/Ukrainian border--it is on video.

    '#Kiev preparing for new war' - #DPR head

    NSDC of Ukraine ✔ @NSDC_ua
    Militants violated ceasefire after midnight. Russia continues supplying its proxies with weapons and ammo via UA-RU border
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Heads up—if the Russian response to the MH17 evidence clearly stating it was a Russian BUK missile that shot down MH17 “it was all a hoax” this should be interesting and again from open source social media.

    This blogger did the open source analysis of the Russian August invasion and pin pointed the exact crossing points used by 4 Russian a.Armored tactical groups suing sat photos.

    I'm going to post some never-before-published satellite imagery of a Russian Buk battery deployed near the Ukraine border & MH17 crash site

    I'm going to post about a dozen images in 5-6 parts and then give more images to tweeps like @EliotHiggins & @DajeyPetros to play with
    Here are the latest sat photos referencing Russian BUK unit 7kms from Ukrainian border and 30Kms from MH17 shot down site.

    Dutch investigators have proved MH17 was shot down by Buk missile, next stage is to build criminal case. http://www.janes.com/article/50075/d...Jtd4Os.twitter

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border Part I
    pic.twitter.com/RtC25avow7

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border part II
    pic.twitter.com/gAHHzp2HK9

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border part III
    pic.twitter.com/JbpO9nd7VR

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border part IV
    pic.twitter.com/6ULyyIHYfY

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border part V
    pic.twitter.com/yv3027uJmd

    Russian Buk unit on UKR border part VI
    pic.twitter.com/6jOBH5gyXU

    This image is so compressed and zoomed that it might break your monitor and/or eyeballs. pic.twitter.com/QJotf2ttua

    I'll get more images out without compression soon with the help of my fellow Citizen Journalists because thats what I am - not a spy!
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 03-20-2015 at 12:39 PM.

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