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    #Russian-backed terrorists try to break into #Trokhizbenka in #Luhansk Oblast,E #Ukraine |EMPR http://empr.media/news/russian-backe...luhansk-oblast … pic.twitter.com/Vf9jOsOWeI

    Col.Fedichev of ATO Staff: Rus-backed militants fired from #Donetsk squares, streets 12 times in last 24hrs incl 7 from airport @pressdonoda

    ATO intel: Rus-backed militants in #Donbas r being trained by Lebanese instructors experienced in street fighting w Israel army @pressdonoda

    Are we now seeing the Russian Syrian/Hezbollah/Iranian/Lebanese connections coming into play?

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    Russian troops and her mercenaries are picking up the fighting pace today:

    #BreakingNews
    Sharp escalation in Russian ceasefire violations in #Donbas.
    30 attacks in from 5am to 7pm, 2 of them with heavy artillery

    This is how the @OSCE_SMM describes the situation around #Shyrokyne, contradicting #Azov claims and #my geolocations. pic.twitter.com/HjLwemErbh

    Let me say it frankly: @OSCE_SMM is wrong. Ukrainian forces control 10% of Shyrokyne, "DPR" 70%. Rest is buffer zone.

    #Donbas battalion reports on nearly all-day-long fighting in Shyrokyne & 29 militants KIA, Donbas suffered no losses https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...49793758415565

    21.03.2015: Ukrainian soldiers under attack. Russians using artillery and tanks. Russians preparing offensive? https://youtu.be/VI37sA14Dsk

    According to the Russian propaganda, they crossed the Seversky-Donets on a front of more than 15 kilometers ... pic.twitter.com/u5LkzfAKK4

    According to the Ukr army, they passed the river at no point ... but who knows, given the fact, that ... #Minsk. pic.twitter.com/JLhI7sD7PM

    This is the front situation in the area, according to my research and map, though I'm not 100% sure with Vodyane. pic.twitter.com/hpFK4yob2l

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    As the Russian fighting pace is picking up there is a sudden change in their informational warfare messaging ie they are blaming the Ukrainians for the failure of Minsk 2.

    Unbelievable!
    The Russian cowards are virtually copying the Ukrainian army reports,just swap "militants" by "Ukr army"http://www.interfax.ru/world/431354

    And suddenly "Azov attacks the line of contact and changes its position" and "Ukr army attacks Donetsk airport"... Pure lies and propaganda

    Of course, when you mark Ukr territory as "Novorussian", every mil movement suddenly turns a "ceasefire violation" and "Ukr nazi attack" ...

    Look at these bull sh..... maps, Rus propaganda is trying to sell us!
    Lebedyns'ke is Ukr and the front is in Shyrokyne! pic.twitter.com/pn7Z3BVZg6

    This is the front situation in the area, according to my research and map, though I'm not 100% sure with Vodyane. pic.twitter.com/hpFK4yob2l

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    Not sure if this even makes it into the "altered state of reality" --better yet just outright nonsense--no wonder audiences laugh madly when Russian officials make the statement there are no Russian troops in Ukraine.

    Russia wants proof of its military presence in Ukraine
    http://www.unian.info/politics/10583...n-ukraine.html … pic.twitter.com/77Ubb7c5og

    Not sure Russia got the Ukrainian videos of the first captured Russian Airborne troops in August 2014.

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    VIDEO #Russia(n) merc "Abdul"-Truce will not hold,preparing for major warhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwNkiMwyIWs … pic.twitter.com/VmedOmhXbJ

    Looking more and more like the main thrust will start across Sev. Donetsk north into Luhansk, rather than towards Mariupol.

    #BREAKING #ANALYSIS #MAP
    Russian forces build another bridgehead across the S.-Donetsk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jprHno_omU … pic.twitter.com/8kyvhlv6Kt

    Also #Troitske further south was attacked with mortars. pic.twitter.com/btfq2xqqO6

    #Minsk1 (Donetsk airport) Déjà vu
    Russian use #Minsk2 to get in better positions for coming battle w/o Ukr resistance pic.twitter.com/sxLQic7XtU

    Russian forces attacked #Krymske,#CP29 near #Zholobok+the other marked villages w/mortars+small arms last nightpic.twitter.com/N9Ag9vfLck

    Nice "work" by the @OSCE_SMM by the way
    They saw from 470 meters, Russian took over N bank of the river
    And withdrew. pic.twitter.com/5rgP9hUvbF

    Russians have actually crossed and formed a foot hold on territory not covered by Minsk which is a clear violation and yet out of western nations---"ceasefire is shaky"- come on……

    Situation is worse than I thought.
    First Ukr troops are here(->),so they lost all control about who crosses the river. pic.twitter.com/9bG1yeCNRw
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    One of the main Putin arguments for entering eastern Ukraine was to "defend" ethnic Russians from "marauding Nazi's being supported by a Nazi junta".

    How is it then possible to be holding a European wide fascist forum in St. Petersburg and how is it possible that six Russian neo ultra nationalists/fascist fighting groups are in eastern Ukraine fighting "so called Ukrainian fascists"???

    Protester outside St Petersburg forum venue: "We don't need foreign Nazis. Enough of our own".
    pic.twitter.com/1wI3pEoQnw
    via @leonidragozin

    Open forum of all European Nazis in St.Petersburg, Russia. And they blame the Ukrainians "in all sins". Like Nazis of 1938 blamed the Jews

    Plenty of propaganda about fascists on both sides of the Ukraine conflict, but hard to explain away a conference of pro-Putin fascists

    Fascist forum held in RF, not UA. When'll West's left realize they were duped by Kremlin into thinking there was "fascist coup" in Ukraine?

    Pro-#Putin Motherland Party rallies #Europe's far-right (Golden Dawn,Forza Nuova)in #StPetersburg,#Russia. pic.twitter.com/G0pzC840oQ

    Neo-Nazi Russian war criminal Alexey Michalkov warmly welcomed by @HolidayInn to the neo-Nazi congress it's hosting. pic.twitter.com/6BTbzPfvVG

    Malofeev's friend Fiore who @maxseddon says does not mind being called Fascist, signed anti-Fascist memorandum Yalta. Head explodes

    Nick Griffin: Nazis - those who kill Russians in Ukraine http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...ans-in-ukraine … #Russia pic.twitter.com/SMNVgUc81M via @MaloverjanBBC

    Chief sources of inspiration at far right conference in St Petersburg: Vladimir Putin and Marine Le Pen pic.twitter.com/glVVLm4ENi

    Far-right attendees of "Conservative" politicians and activists pic.twitter.com/eAq7ikv4Kb"

    After end of neo-nazi conference: "Solemn dinner by invitation only". Brown tie and torch required. pic.twitter.com/7eWoWxnSBA

    Nazis forum in St.Petersburg was organized by Russian Rodina party. Members: Putin aide Glazyev and Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Rogozin

    Founder of far right party in UK puts bare-chested picture of Putin on screen, says Russia 'blessed' by being ruled by 'real man'
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    #Footage
    Russian soldiers train less experienced Rus "Division Sparta" fighters in #Donbas.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLHzQJE-3I … pic.twitter.com/S8H8EzrRQu

    MFA of Ukraine ✔ @MFA_Ukraine
    Stmt of the MFA Ukraine in response 2 the distribution of unreliable inform by the @mfa_russia http://bit.ly/1CIvwY3 pic.twitter.com/ctAPOlzXYC

    Sputnik calls for welcoming US Army in the Czech Rep by Molotov cocktails
    http://www.reflex.cz/clanek/komentar...-hitlerem.html
    http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/sve...nska/?g=637050

    #Kadyrov blames West for #Russia invading #Ukraine & calls #BorisNemtsov's suspected killer "patriot"
    pic.twitter.com/marZEu0cUF

    In March 2014, in risk analysis for Bulgaria, I wrote this. Now BG is "suprised" Kremlin-linked proxy buys #1 telecom pic.twitter.com/isFf046J3j

    OSCE: Despite claims, heavy weapons withdrawal NOT completed, artillery being used within ceasefire zone. pic.twitter.com/tVj957jzO6

    Finally mainstream media is now fully understanding Russian informational conflict:
    The Economist ✔ @EconEurope
    Europe is waking up to Moscow's “weaponisation of information”. Worth giving truth a chance
    http://econ.trib.al/llwKksZ pic.twitter.com/5D9ho4kE5z

    08:34 #Donetsk: since 07:00 constant rumble (artillery or tanks) and SMG/MG fire sounds from the airport direction

    #Putin created DNR-Whatever preparing for final attack on #Mariupol-Ex-Deputy Head http://translate.googleusercontent.c...7P62zcfjxK-bKQ
    pic.twitter.com/PMdMoU38oz

    NATO/US Admiral James Stavridis-#Russia fighting for corridor from #Donbas to #Crimea http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...s/&prev=search … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/hCPesy07ym

    VIDEO #Russia(n) Merc "Motorola"& "Locals" w "Sparta" Batt training w T-72s #Donetsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkLHzQJE-3I … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/9L007RQRnN

    #Russia(ns) attacked #Ukraine troops #Shyrokyne near #Mariupol w mortars,anti-tank weapons http://translate.googleusercontent.c...RhfiGBxEMahUrg … pic.twitter.com/pCoKQ9mkIC
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    Another “flies in the face of utter reality” statement from the Russian FM—am not so certain Crimea Tartars would agree with the comment:

    Russian Embassy, UAE ✔ @RusEmbassyUAE
    Forbes: #Crimea Ukrainians, Russians, #Tartars agree: life w/ #Russia better than w/ #Ukraine http://goo.gl/xxzxvE pic.twitter.com/mecO5PKoav

    RU Headline: "Western media acknowledged: Russia best place to immigrate".
    Actual source: 1 ranking for expats ranks RU at 17, below Oman.

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    VIDEO #MH17 shot down by #BUK missile: The definite PROOF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-mRxT8_AsY#t=25 … pic.twitter.com/ol8TqdxF0l

    Russian internet trolls and the general Russian media have yet to disprove evidence being presented by the Dutch investigation team other than "hoax" and or an "expert" who is not an real expert.

    Actually they have gone silent which is rather unusual.

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    Another set of perfect examples of the use of Russian informational conflict—designed for Russian civil society consumption.

    Report: #Russia TV hired 50 actors w/scripts, prop cars 2 film a "riot" on #Odessa street (7AM Sat). pic.twitter.com/EALe4HwgNB

    My friend wrote about how fake disturbances in #Odessa were filmed for Russian tv news pic.twitter.com/QRLFhXMt2Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2tJRs-JUxU … #Russia's #Strelkov on "#Russian World," a crusading/#Ukraine,etc-invading empire v. an "Antichrist"/"hedonist" West
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    One of the main Putin arguments for entering eastern Ukraine was to "defend" ethnic Russians from "marauding Nazi's being supported by a Nazi junta".

    How is it then possible to be holding a European wide fascist forum in St. Petersburg and how is it possible that six Russian neo ultra nationalists/fascist fighting groups are in eastern Ukraine fighting "so called Ukrainian fascists"???

    Protester outside St Petersburg forum venue: "We don't need foreign Nazis. Enough of our own".
    pic.twitter.com/1wI3pEoQnw
    via @leonidragozin

    Open forum of all European Nazis in St.Petersburg, Russia. And they blame the Ukrainians "in all sins". Like Nazis of 1938 blamed the Jews

    Plenty of propaganda about fascists on both sides of the Ukraine conflict, but hard to explain away a conference of pro-Putin fascists

    Fascist forum held in RF, not UA. When'll West's left realize they were duped by Kremlin into thinking there was "fascist coup" in Ukraine?

    Pro-#Putin Motherland Party rallies #Europe's far-right (Golden Dawn,Forza Nuova)in #StPetersburg,#Russia. pic.twitter.com/G0pzC840oQ

    Neo-Nazi Russian war criminal Alexey Michalkov warmly welcomed by @HolidayInn to the neo-Nazi congress it's hosting. pic.twitter.com/6BTbzPfvVG

    Malofeev's friend Fiore who @maxseddon says does not mind being called Fascist, signed anti-Fascist memorandum Yalta. Head explodes

    Nick Griffin: Nazis - those who kill Russians in Ukraine http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...ans-in-ukraine … #Russia pic.twitter.com/SMNVgUc81M via @MaloverjanBBC

    Chief sources of inspiration at far right conference in St Petersburg: Vladimir Putin and Marine Le Pen pic.twitter.com/glVVLm4ENi

    Far-right attendees of "Conservative" politicians and activists pic.twitter.com/eAq7ikv4Kb"

    After end of neo-nazi conference: "Solemn dinner by invitation only". Brown tie and torch required. pic.twitter.com/7eWoWxnSBA

    Nazis forum in St.Petersburg was organized by Russian Rodina party. Members: Putin aide Glazyev and Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Rogozin

    Founder of far right party in UK puts bare-chested picture of Putin on screen, says Russia 'blessed' by being ruled by 'real man'
    Put a bunch of European neo Nazi's and ultra nationalists in the Russian city where the Communist Revolution started and you get the following:

    Now apparently there has been a bomb threat at the far-right forum in St. Petersburg. We are all being evacuated.

    Nick Griffin from #BNP: "we are radical nationalists, but Washingon & Kiev are the fascists" say what now? https://instagram.com/p/0iJ-hMDATs/

    Why the Kremlin sets up the neo-Nazi fest in St Pete: intimidate the West w/ even bigger evil, like Lebedev does here http://top.rbc.ru/politics/20/03/201...79471a5d29e5b4
    In Russian

    max seddon ✔ @maxseddon
    Now Scottish pro-life campaigner Jim Dowson claims 80% of all pregnancies in Western countries are aborted. "The EU are Nazis!" he says
    "...Barack Obama, another Nazi," says Dowson. Smatterings of applause

    "Protect your children from undesirable information" pic.twitter.com/nYOvRx9RlG

    "Politkovskaya. Berezovsky. Nemtsov. I know where they live. They live in hell," says Kris Roman of the "Euro-Rus" think tank.

    Wut? "@maxseddon: Nick Griffin says Europe will collapse or become an Islamic caliphate unless Moscow, the Third Rome, saves the day."

    This comment is interesting as it is the theme song of the Russian Orthodox Church in a number of their recent articles and comments concerning "the Third Rome" theory and Russia as the center of the coming "Holy War".
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    Outlaw09,

    If the St. Petersburg conference relies on Nick Griffin they have a problem, at least here in the UK - although I doubt the main media will report it.

    Nick Griffin was the leader of the British National Party (BNP) from 1999 to October 2014, when he was expelled and left to form an even smaller fringe group. To many he was a figure of derision:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin

    Clearly no-one in the Russia government understands irony!
    davidbfpo

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Outlaw09,

    If the St. Petersburg conference relies on Nick Griffin they have a problem, at least here in the UK - although I doubt the main media will report it.

    Nick Griffin was the leader of the British National Party (BNP) from 1999 to October 2014, when he was expelled and left to form an even smaller fringe group. To many he was a figure of derision:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin

    Clearly no-one in the Russia government understands irony!
    David--what amazes me is that for months of throwing in the face of the world and Kyiv that Ukrainians are Nazi's and that a Nazi junta overthrew a proRussian Ukrainian President who was close friends to Putin AND then in the home of the Communist Revolution with the battleship still in the harbor Putin holds a Nazi rally of all the far right European political parties now questions Russian sanity.

    An old professor of mine who taught terrorism many years ago and was a RAF and Red Brigade specialist and who wrote books on terrorism from that period had a theory that stated if terrorism is a circle then the extreme left and the extreme right will met each other on that circle--and they both have the same enemy namely the nation state ie a government which they both view to be corrupt and against their political views and under control of the capitalists.

    Years later Putin proves him right.

    We are entering now a totally new phase where Putin is aligning with the far right to undermine the EU and the individual EU members and he has been successful now in six EU countries.

    I do not think the current EU leadership is fully understanding the threat to their individual civil societies.

    Example--years ago it now seems-- actually 1986 I was approached by a German agency and asked if I could trace the source of 22M USDs that was slowly drifting in to Germany and going to German neo Nazi groups via bank transfers---in the same year German authorities stopped over 8 tons of Nazi materials coming into Germany from Lincoln Nebraska--the American Nazi Party.

    Couple that with EAP (European Workers Party) which got into the EU Parliament the first time out and is run by the daughter of LaRoche--who once stated you do not have to wear brown to be brown now to LePen.

    RT @RuslanLeviev #Milchakov one of Delegates at today's "conservative" Forum in St Petersburg, Russia pic.twitter.com/wWc7bWmINM

    Russia @udovoigt, who has been found guilty in #Germany for glorifying the Waffen-SS is an "anti-fascist".etersburg.html … pic.twitter.com/UMafyTPqI3

    The core question now is--- has first the KGB been using the right during the 80s especially during the NATO Perishing 2 and Land Launched Cruise Missile stationing debate and now is Putin using the right to weaken the sanctions and support him in the Ukraine?
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    http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1427032212

    Prava Ludyny

    Why Russia fears Donbas ’special status’ linked to fair elections

    22.03.15 | Halya Coynash

    версія для друку »
    Ukraine’s demand that special status follow honest elections with international observers caused rage in Moscow. Take away the machine guns at polling booths, elimination of opposition and European neo-Nazi ‘observers’, and the reason for hysteria from the Kremlin and their proxies in Ukraine is clear.

    On March 17, Ukraine’s parliament adopted a resolution and law on special status for areas under Kremlin-backed militant control in Donbas. The law was immediately condemned as a breach of the Minsk Accords by both the militants and Moscow, while welcomed by Germany and France as in keeping with those same Accords.

    Resolution No. 2396 stipulates that the areas under militant control will be deemed temporarily occupied territory under all illegal armed formations and their military technology, as well as fighters and mercenaries are withdrawn from Ukrainian territory, and there is reinstatement of full control over Ukraine’s state border. At present a large part of the border with Russia is under militant control.

    According to the amendments to the Law on Special Status adopted on March 17, special status with limited self-rule will be granted after elections are held in accordance with Ukrainian law and with proper international observers.

    This presumably means without polling booths where people are surrounded by militants brandishing machine guns, and with internationally recognized observers, not members of far-right and neo-Stalinist parties invited and paid by Moscow.

    This was a part of the ceasefire agreement reached in Minsk on Feb 12, but such elections are clearly stipulated also in the original Minsk Protocol (Item 9) from early September, 2014.

    Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s Foreign Minister claimed that it was a breach of those accords because it linked special status with elections in which the militants would not take part. He does not appear to have explained why they would not take part. The militants themselves have told Russian media that parliament is breaching the Minsk agreements and that such elections need to be ‘agreed’ with the self-proclaimed ‘Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics’ [‘DNR’ and ‘LNR’].

    Shortly after the Minsk agreement in September last year, the militants announced their ‘elections’ which they held on Nov 3, despite this being condemned by Ukraine and all western countries as in breach of the accords. The event itself was widely criticized as bearing little in common with elections and even Russia eventually chose to only ‘respect’, rather than recognize the alleged results.

    According to the new amendments to the law, local governing bodies whose members were elected in accordance with Ukrainian legislation would oversee governance with the regions exercising limited self-rule, while remaining a part of Ukraine.

    Serhiy Harmash, Chief Editor of OstroV, says that the law on special status changes nothing since it impossible to enforce. He sees it as merely an item in the Minsk agreement to be able to report to the EU that it’s been done. The resolution declaring the regions occupied is belated, he says, with the regions long occupied. It is a chance for lodging legal claims against the aggressor, while also giving legal excuse for restricting citizens’ rights (with respect to passes for leaving or entering cities, non-payment of social benefits, etc.

    With respect to Russia’s actions now, Harmash points out that Moscow were never restrained by any agreement. “It’s just that everybody needed a breathing space, including the Kremlin.” In fact, he believes that the fact that Ukraine is adding its rules, could drag out the peace since Russian President Vladimir Putin will be forced to modify his plans.

    Well-known human rights activist Konstantin Reutsky who is currently one of the coordinators of the volunteer initiative Vostok SOS says that any ceasefire demoralizes the enemy and for that reason escalation is inevitable. Although the amendments to the law on special status are clearly an insufficient pretext, its criticism by the Russian authorities suggests that they may try to use it to justify new confrontation. He points out that there can be no moral right given that the Kremlin-backed militants (together with Russian soldiers) attacked Debaltseve the day after the agreement in Minsk on Feb 12.

    “The law passed is simply a restrained “no” to the cynical demand that Ukraine recognize a region filled with Russian soldiers and military equipment as a sphere of their responsibility. Ukraine is stating that it is ready to take on this responsibility, but only after its jurisdiction is restored.”

    Calling the territory occupied is simply stating the obvious. It will certainly irritate Russia, but since Putin will not stop at less than Ukraine’s total capitulation (open or covert), he says, a new wave of conflict is inevitable.

    These new legislative initiatives have received widely differing assessments. Most commentators, however, clearly expect the conflict to continue. Western leaders who have been adamant in asserting the need for ‘dialogue’ and a negotiated settlement are also put to the test by these new moves. Ukraine’s legislators have demanded only what the agreements stipulated, and what would surely be reasonable were there genuinely strong local support for separatist demands.

    Western leaders should try imagining the course of such elections, under real observers and without masked men with machine guns. It is unfortunately all too clear why Russia would find any pretext to prevent this.

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    RU media imply @IlvesToomas said "sanctions aren't working, so we need plan B" http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2445065 …. In fact, he didn't say that.

    Tymchuk:#Moscow allocates over $100mln for #TASS & #RussiaToday(over $1bln already spent on propaganda media in 2015) http://sprotyv.info/ru/news/14987-ro...ranu?_utl_t=tw

    #NATO declares information war on #Russia.... http://nato.trendolizer.com/2015/03/...on-russia.html … pic.twitter.com/8RfR4e4wm1

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    Putin and his inner circle of advisors are now escalating events and they are about two slow missteps away from a repeat of 1914.

    In some aspects he is "channeling" Hitler's moves of 1938 and 1939.

    Notice the Russian military while slowly unwinding the recent 80K man exercises has had them remain at high alert--never once did they explain to OSCE why they violated the Vienna Convention for large scale unannounced militay maneuvers that could be viewed as a precursor to open invasion but they complain when the US and NATO "violate" the Founding Act when the Army 3/2 Cav makes a 1100 mile road march through NATO countries.

    US deputy military attache arrested in Moscow http://ria.ru/incidents/20150322/1053886524.html

    Exercises over. Don't be fooled. Russian forces returned to bases/garrisons but maintain high-level combat readiness. http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150321/1053810597.html

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    Radio Liberty: 'Brussels Was ... Asleep': Bildt Assesses EU's Mistakes Regarding #Russia http://uatoday.tv/news/radio-liberty...ia-416869.html

    #Ukraine launching production of anti-tank missile Stugna-P, similiar to American Javelins. http://www.ukraineindustrial.info/archives/3583 pic.twitter.com/kY8MMfYilV

    All day long fighting in Shyrokine, Russians shelling with 120 mm mortars which they allegedly "had withdrawn".
    pic.twitter.com/uBhoVMFxYE

    #BREAKINGNEWS
    Regiment #Azov says, it destroyed attacking "enemy tanks" today.
    "Extensive information" will be provided later
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    Strelkov by @BenjaminBidder: "I dream of a Russia in its natural borders.At least those of 1939" http://spon.de/aesu5

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    The war in eastern Ukraine is back on again--fighting has been intense the last five days and attacks are increasing on a steady pace and those heavy weapons Russian and her mercenaries where to pull back are being used in those attacks.

    Russia is in clear violation of Minsk 2 and what will the US and EU now do for a reaction??

    5 WIA, 2 KIA in the OUN battalion in #Pisky today. The attacks are getting worse

    #BREAKINGNEWS
    Regiment #Azov says, it destroyed attacking "enemy tanks" today.
    "Extensive information" will be provided later

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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...lt/517830.html

    Us Against Them: Russia's Frightening New Cult
    By Gleb Kuznetsov
    Mar. 22 2015 18:01
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    Maxim Shemetov / Reuters
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    If you believe that the U.S. aggressors were preparing to land in Crimea in the winter of 2014 in order to help the Ukrainians kill all the Orthodox Russians there, and that only the pre-emptive military operation under the command of President Vladimir Putin saved them, then you are "one of us" — that is, a true-blue adherent of the state's cult.

    However, if you think that the United States was not planning a military operation in Crimea last year, that it did not "have its eye on" the peninsula and that NATO never did and still has no plans for it as a theater of war, then you are officially a heretic.

    You are a heretic regardless of your past services, social status, annual income or membership in the ruling party. All of those are secondary to the main question: Do you believe, or do you not?

    Anyone attempting to analyze Russian policy and predict its future course should understand one fundamental thing: Modern Russian policy is not rational and not based on political considerations. It is irrational and religious — with all of the attendant religious stereotypes, prejudices and dogmas.
    The authorities have created a kind of "creed" right before our eyes, a set of words and concepts that allow them to easily label someone as either "loyal" or "disloyal." All political and existential concepts are now reduced to black and white and the entire spectrum of political viewpoints has become a dichotomy of "friend" or "foe" — the forces of Evil against the forces of Good.

    In a paradigm where good is embodied by the state, the great millennial empire with a unique historical role, then evil is whatever hinders that empire from carrying out its role. The external enemy is the West — cunning, rich, heavily armed and working to secretly undermine the country through Russian "liberals."

    "Liberalism" is no longer seen as a political outlook so much as a heretical belief system. According to the ubiquitous propaganda — and therefore, the public mind — a "liberal" is not someone who advocates the free market, personal freedoms and other such boring nonsense, but an individual who brazenly refuses to join the state cult or to nod his assent at sharply rising food prices and the deployment of Russian troops to a nearby, brotherly state.

    A liberal denies the great benevolence and inherent correctness of the state. A liberal does not accept the fact that the state is the only defense against the evil poised just beyond Russia's borders, waiting to break through this country's heavy defenses and feed like a swarm of voracious locusts on the blessed soil of the faithful.

    The liberal is an enemy because he does not see God in the state. He is a heretic because he does not subscribe to the dominant cult — and that makes him a potential traitor, a conduit through which evil from abroad might threaten the true faith.

    The "true believers" agree completely that Putin was right to consider putting the country's nuclear arsenal on red alert during the annexation of Crimea. After all, the NATO horde was planning to attack.

    The "true believer," like the loyal Soviet citizen before him, honestly believes that nuclear weapons are necessary in the "struggle for peace."

    The "heretic," however, finds such talk of nuclear war extremely upsetting. "Russia declares its readiness to wage nuclear war in the complete absence of any threat," they say. "What a nightmare!"

    And so it is with everything.

    According to the "loyalists" and "true believers," the deaths in a fire in Odessa in May, the war in the Donbass and everything that has happened since illustrates the fate that awaited Crimea had Russia not intervened.

    But the "heretic" sees all of it as the direct and tragic consequence of Russia's annexation of Crimea. They understand that the pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine had counted on a repeat of the Crimea scenario, on the Russian army conducting the same type of "humanitarian intervention" on their behalf, but received instead a rebuff from Ukrainian armed forces who suddenly displayed a readiness to fight after the shock of losing Crimea.
    World War II plays a particularly fundamental role in the new state cult. Putin claims that the West is trying to strike Russia from the list of victors in that war, and that Moscow should make a vigorous response for the sake of its honor and integrity.

    Close Kremlin ally Alexander Beglov — who worked alongside Putin back in his days with the mayor's office in St. Petersburg, and who now heads Pobeda (Victory), an agency charged with maintaining Russia's status as one of the victors in World War II — has proposed using the fire from eternal flame monuments, a strictly secular symbol, to light the lamps and candles in Orthodox churches.

    Thus, political and religious symbols blur smoothly together, with Christianity relegated to a subordinate position in the hierarchy of the state cult.

    And there are a dozen more criteria by which the authorities determine whether someone is a loyal believer or a disloyal heretic — now and forever.

    And thanks to that overriding dogma, it is now impossible to hold a meaningful debate in Russia regarding the results of the first year since annexing Crimea.

    You either believe that Russia's army and its military intervention in Crimea saved Russia from a U.S. and NATO invasion on the peninsula or you don't.

    At this turning point in history, you are either "one of us" and can enjoy all the benefits that the best state in the world has to offer, or else you are "one of them," and there's no knowing what new problems to expect from you tomorrow. There is no third option.

    This explains the obsession with dividing Russian society between "friends" of the state and its "enemies."

    Even the decision to classify the murder of Boris Nemtsov as a "hate crime" is part of that effort to divide Russian society. It seems these people sincerely believe in the threat of a "revenge of the liberals," in a "Russian Maidan" and that "the liberals could turn violent."

    And the situation really is scary when politics and politicians are no longer rational, but irrational, and appeal not to logic, but to base emotion.

    According to this paradigm, the whole planet is nothing but a stage for the confrontation between Russia, with its forces of light, and the West, with its forces of darkness. And the constant comparison between the mighty and therefore towering figure of Vladimir Putin with the weak and therefore "dwarf-like" Western leaders is designed to endow the Russian president with almost superhuman qualities.

    In fact, when Putin recently dropped out of sight for 10 days, the Russian people were most concerned not with his job performance, but with the possibility that their national leader might be subject to such human frailties as illness.

    In fact, the oft-repeated suggestion that "Putin is Russia" and that "Without Putin, there can be no Russia" has turned modern Russian politics into a sort of Manichean cult.

    It is both pointless and counterproductive to try to analyze this cult from a political perspective, or to use political criteria to understand or predict its behavior.

    In fact, it would probably take not a political scientist but a specialist in religious studies to fully understand today's quasi-Soviet, quasi-cultish ruling regime in Moscow.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 03-22-2015 at 05:55 PM.

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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...lt/517830.html

    Us Against Them: Russia's Frightening New Cult
    By Gleb Kuznetsov
    Mar. 22 2015 18:01
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    Maxim Shemetov / Reuters
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    If you believe that the U.S. aggressors were preparing to land in Crimea in the winter of 2014 in order to help the Ukrainians kill all the Orthodox Russians there, and that only the pre-emptive military operation under the command of President Vladimir Putin saved them, then you are "one of us" — that is, a true-blue adherent of the state's cult.

    However, if you think that the United States was not planning a military operation in Crimea last year, that it did not "have its eye on" the peninsula and that NATO never did and still has no plans for it as a theater of war, then you are officially a heretic.

    You are a heretic regardless of your past services, social status, annual income or membership in the ruling party. All of those are secondary to the main question: Do you believe, or do you not?

    Anyone attempting to analyze Russian policy and predict its future course should understand one fundamental thing: Modern Russian policy is not rational and not based on political considerations. It is irrational and religious — with all of the attendant religious stereotypes, prejudices and dogmas.
    The authorities have created a kind of "creed" right before our eyes, a set of words and concepts that allow them to easily label someone as either "loyal" or "disloyal." All political and existential concepts are now reduced to black and white and the entire spectrum of political viewpoints has become a dichotomy of "friend" or "foe" — the forces of Evil against the forces of Good.

    In a paradigm where good is embodied by the state, the great millennial empire with a unique historical role, then evil is whatever hinders that empire from carrying out its role. The external enemy is the West — cunning, rich, heavily armed and working to secretly undermine the country through Russian "liberals."

    "Liberalism" is no longer seen as a political outlook so much as a heretical belief system. According to the ubiquitous propaganda — and therefore, the public mind — a "liberal" is not someone who advocates the free market, personal freedoms and other such boring nonsense, but an individual who brazenly refuses to join the state cult or to nod his assent at sharply rising food prices and the deployment of Russian troops to a nearby, brotherly state.

    A liberal denies the great benevolence and inherent correctness of the state. A liberal does not accept the fact that the state is the only defense against the evil poised just beyond Russia's borders, waiting to break through this country's heavy defenses and feed like a swarm of voracious locusts on the blessed soil of the faithful.

    The liberal is an enemy because he does not see God in the state. He is a heretic because he does not subscribe to the dominant cult — and that makes him a potential traitor, a conduit through which evil from abroad might threaten the true faith.

    The "true believers" agree completely that Putin was right to consider putting the country's nuclear arsenal on red alert during the annexation of Crimea. After all, the NATO horde was planning to attack.

    The "true believer," like the loyal Soviet citizen before him, honestly believes that nuclear weapons are necessary in the "struggle for peace."

    The "heretic," however, finds such talk of nuclear war extremely upsetting. "Russia declares its readiness to wage nuclear war in the complete absence of any threat," they say. "What a nightmare!"

    And so it is with everything.

    According to the "loyalists" and "true believers," the deaths in a fire in Odessa in May, the war in the Donbass and everything that has happened since illustrates the fate that awaited Crimea had Russia not intervened.

    But the "heretic" sees all of it as the direct and tragic consequence of Russia's annexation of Crimea. They understand that the pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine had counted on a repeat of the Crimea scenario, on the Russian army conducting the same type of "humanitarian intervention" on their behalf, but received instead a rebuff from Ukrainian armed forces who suddenly displayed a readiness to fight after the shock of losing Crimea.
    World War II plays a particularly fundamental role in the new state cult. Putin claims that the West is trying to strike Russia from the list of victors in that war, and that Moscow should make a vigorous response for the sake of its honor and integrity.

    Close Kremlin ally Alexander Beglov — who worked alongside Putin back in his days with the mayor's office in St. Petersburg, and who now heads Pobeda (Victory), an agency charged with maintaining Russia's status as one of the victors in World War II — has proposed using the fire from eternal flame monuments, a strictly secular symbol, to light the lamps and candles in Orthodox churches.

    Thus, political and religious symbols blur smoothly together, with Christianity relegated to a subordinate position in the hierarchy of the state cult.

    And there are a dozen more criteria by which the authorities determine whether someone is a loyal believer or a disloyal heretic — now and forever.

    And thanks to that overriding dogma, it is now impossible to hold a meaningful debate in Russia regarding the results of the first year since annexing Crimea.

    You either believe that Russia's army and its military intervention in Crimea saved Russia from a U.S. and NATO invasion on the peninsula or you don't.

    At this turning point in history, you are either "one of us" and can enjoy all the benefits that the best state in the world has to offer, or else you are "one of them," and there's no knowing what new problems to expect from you tomorrow. There is no third option.

    This explains the obsession with dividing Russian society between "friends" of the state and its "enemies."

    Even the decision to classify the murder of Boris Nemtsov as a "hate crime" is part of that effort to divide Russian society. It seems these people sincerely believe in the threat of a "revenge of the liberals," in a "Russian Maidan" and that "the liberals could turn violent."

    And the situation really is scary when politics and politicians are no longer rational, but irrational, and appeal not to logic, but to base emotion.

    According to this paradigm, the whole planet is nothing but a stage for the confrontation between Russia, with its forces of light, and the West, with its forces of darkness. And the constant comparison between the mighty and therefore towering figure of Vladimir Putin with the weak and therefore "dwarf-like" Western leaders is designed to endow the Russian president with almost superhuman qualities.

    In fact, when Putin recently dropped out of sight for 10 days, the Russian people were most concerned not with his job performance, but with the possibility that their national leader might be subject to such human frailties as illness.

    In fact, the oft-repeated suggestion that "Putin is Russia" and that "Without Putin, there can be no Russia" has turned modern Russian politics into a sort of Manichean cult.

    It is both pointless and counterproductive to try to analyze this cult from a political perspective, or to use political criteria to understand or predict its behavior.

    In fact, it would probably take not a political scientist but a specialist in religious studies to fully understand today's quasi-Soviet, quasi-cultish ruling regime in Moscow.
    I have said since the beginning of Crimea this is all about a “war of values” not unlike the Cold War was ie Democracy vs Communism —but totally different this time around---the core difference is that is against the concept of western liberalism –meaning all the supposedly decadent western ideas of women’s rights, protection of gays, open and free elections, government transparency, economic development , rule of law, abortion, and gay marriage.

    http://20committee.com/2015/01/24/ru...ging-holy-war/

    The interesting thing is that Putin is coupling this cult like movement to three core geo political goals that he has definitely not come off of;

    1. discrediting and splitting the EU
    2. discrediting and splitting NATO
    3. disconnecting the US from Europe

    The mantra is an economic zone from Portugal to the Russian Far East under Russian control and influence and this was repeated a number of times this weekend at the Russian Nationalist/Nazi Forum in St. Petersburg AND not by accident.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 03-22-2015 at 06:13 PM.

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