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    Russia getting ready to declare #Minsk2 void and open a major new offensive westward into Ukraine. https://twitter.com/Amb_Yakovenko/st...34302274969600

    AND Russia has not annexed Abkhazia????

    Russian General Becomes Army Chief In Breakaway Abkhazia http://www.rferl.org/content/georgia.../27024637.html … via @RFERL

    2 National Guard servicemen - Ihor Panchyshyn and Mykola Valebny of 8th battalion were liberated from captivity http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/05/19/7068388/

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    Humor of the day---



    #Lavrov states that the subtitles were wrong at spesnaz-video. #Kremlin released the original ones. https://twitter.com/search?q=pic.twi...ggLHC&src=typd
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    Ground combat is now becoming more intense and one can now actually say Minsk 2 is formally "dead".

    Militants attacked Ukr forces near Katerynivka, 4Ukr servicemen were KIA in combat, 2WIA, exchange of fire continues http://moskal.in.ua/index.php?catego...s&news_id=1745

    #BREAKINGNEWS
    Russian forces are trying to break through the Ukrainian line of defense near Zolote

    4 KIA
    2 WIA
    so far pic.twitter.com/ihI4uNq3SR

    Artillery, mortars and ground forces involved in coordinated push.
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    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 5.19

    Posted on May 19, 2015 by tilamuse


    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Russian-terrorist troops in Donbas continue using heavy infantry weapons to shell the positions of Ukrainian troops and civilian objects (including heavy automatic grenade launchers, mortars, large caliber machine guns), also operating artillery systems.

    In the seaside (Mariupol) direction, insurgents shelled the positions of Ukrainian troops near Shyrokyne using several 82-mm mortars similar to 2B9 “Vasilyok.”

    Insurgents used the same weaponry to fire at positions of Ukrainian troops in the vicinity of Opytne and Vodyane.

    Terrorists fired at the positions of Ukrainian troops near Mayorska station and the settlement of Avdiivka from 82- and 120-mm mortars.

    In the vicinity of Pisky, Krasnohorivka, and the Butovka mine, insurgents actively use AGS-17 “Plamya” automatic grenade launchers and large-caliber machine guns similar to “Kord.” During shelling, the movement of several terrorist groups (up to 20-25 people each) has been observed in the direction of the Petrovskyi district of Donetsk.

    In the vicinity of Luhanske, Lozove, Myronivka, Zolote, and Leniniske, terrorists are actively shelling the positions of Ukrainian troops from mortars (120-mm and 82-mm caliber) and other weapons (AGS-17 automatic grenade launchers, heavy machine guns NSV-12.7, “Utes,” and “Kord”; use of anti-aircraft cannons ZU-23-2 has been observed). The insurgent fire-strike groups are well coordinated in the Artemivsk direction.

    Terrorist sabotage and reconnaissance groups continue to operate in the vicinity of Novotoshkivske ##– Krymske and Shchastya – Stanytsia Luhanska, supported by intense mortar and artillery unit fire. Also, the command of the Russian-terrorist forces does not cease attempts to make a breakthrough on the right flank of this stretch. All actions by insurgent gang formations are thwarted by ATO forces’ response fire.

    Another enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group (up to 15 people) has been identified, during their attempt to infiltrate the tactical rear of Ukrainian troops, by combat outposts of the ATO near Troitske. The enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group made a tactical retreat as a result of the armed confrontation, returning to the territory controlled by terrorists.

    There is a growing movement of terrorist formations at the forefront near Hranitne. Also, several fire strikes at positions of Ukrainian troops in the area have been observed (mostly from mortars and small arms) to cover up the regrouping of forces.

    East to the Malomykolayivka – Myrne – Uspenka highway, insurgents launched several “combat training centers” and at least two reinforced battalions (one of them – a tank battalion). Large numbers of armored vehicles and artillery have accumulated in the area (up to 25 tanks (T-64 and T-72), 38 armored combat vehicles (various types, including BMP-1, BMP-2, and BMP-97 “Vystrel”), 22 MLRS, 16 cannon artillery guns (mainly D-30 howitzer), and 12 units of self-propelled artillery (howitzers 2S1 “Gvozdika” and 2S3 “Akatsiya”).

    During the last 24 hours, we recorded approximately 40 insurgent vehicles moving throughout the occupied area. These were mainly individual cars or small (2-3 vehicles) supply convoys, and in less frequent instances, up to 5 vehicles. Cargo transport was moving the most actively in the vicinity of Luhansk and north of it, as well as from Krasnodon and Sverdlovsk towards Luhansk, Krasnyi Luch, and the Donetsk “hub.”

    The following convoys merited particular attention:

    – a motor convoy of 12 vehicles between Lutuhyne and Krasnyi Luch. The convoy included several specialized machinery units (one PZM-2 regimental ditching machine, two IRM engineer reconnaissance vehicles, one BAT-2 trail builder, and one E-305 military excavator). The convoy proceeded in the direction of Debaltseve.

    – on the Donetsk – Luhansk highway, in the vicinity of Yenakijeve (near the turn to Shakhtarsk), we spotted a convoy of 4 thoroughly tarpaulined trailers (according to our preliminary data, they were transporting TOR-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems), plus three trucks, and an escort of two BTR-80 armored personnel carriers.

    Movement of armored vehicles and personnel:

    – Four insurgent tanks and two BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles were spotted transferring to the area east of the Yasynuvata junction. The armored vehicles took camouflaged positions.

    – Mortar details continue transferring to the Spartak area. Terrorists are using motor vehicles en masse: for lateral transportation of their personnel and equipment, as well as to rapidly increase the mobility and maneuverability of their firing groups. The prevailing majority of insurgent firepower with the highest resistance intensity has now been mounted on mobile platforms (mainly on trucks).

    – A part of the insurgent armored group that had previously operated between Pervomaisk and Stakhanov has moved in the direction of Donetske and Frunze (the group includes 6 tanks and 6 armored combat vehicles). An insurgent group from Alchevsk (up to 80 personnel, on board of tanks and ACVs) was spotted in the vicinity of Bryanka.

    – A terrorist infantry unit was transferred from Starobesheve to the vicinity of Olenivka (a total of up to 50 personnel, with two 120-mm mortars, three trucks, two BTR-80 APCs and two BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles).

    – The terrorists are rotating their units in a number of areas in the Seaside (Mariupol) sector. Several groups of Russian mercenaries (up to 250 personnel organized in several “units”) arrived [in this sector] from the north and from Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 5.19

    Posted on May 19, 2015 by tilamuse


    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:
    This report is interesting in that it mentions increased use of Russian Spetsnaz teams in direct combat and the mentioning of the AD System TOR M1 in a spotted convoy.

    NOTE--while the captured Spetsnaz intel types stated they were on a simple recon mission--highly suspect they were on a sabotage mission first and recon second in preparation of an actual follow on ground attack. This attack mission set was seen in attempts in other sectors by Spetsnaz teams that failed and were forced back.

    Both the Russian FM and the Russian MoD adamently stated recently there are no Russian AD Systems in the Ukraine and the reports of them by the US were bascially lies.
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    #Mariupol residents can hear heavy fighting from #Shyrokyne

    This comes after this morning conversation intercepted by SBU - "Smash the city at 21:00" http://www.unian.net/war/1076346-kon...ku-v-2100.html

    "DPR" claims they are attacked and they destroyed 2 Ukr tanks, 4-5 KIA, 14 WIA.

    BREAKING: Mariupol residents can hear heavy fighting from #Shyrokyne http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...from-shyrokyne


    NOTE--Remember the Russia disinformation concept of reverse reporting--this means the Ukrainians were attacked and they the mercenaries lost two tanks and personnel killed and or wounded----AS nothing has been reported by the Ukrainian unit on the ground currently--Azov.


    NOTE---Azov is quick to report via FB straight out of the fighting which means it is intense and still in progress.

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    Appears now that Ukrainians in the Russian mercenary zones are starting to get "buyers remorse".


    "Lots of Ukrainian symbols visible around Lugansk. Unlike Donetsk, no serious attempt to remove pic.twitter.com/cwQEQgA1DC"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukraine's Emb. to UK ✔ @UkrEmbLondon
    #Ukraine's security chief told BBC two #Russia's soldiers captured in E Ukraine were military intelligence officers pic.twitter.com/KQr8KdcdWA

    If serving, they are Russian POWs. If "former servicemen" as Kremlin claims, they are Russian mercenaries as per even Russian law pic.twitter.com/0xj3ne356I

    For two “former Russian service members” who were "volunteers" in the LNR militia--- these actions now by the Russian MoD and others does seem strange??? Nice admission they were in fact active duty Russian Spetsnaz.

    #Russia “on all channels” is trying to negotiate the release of detainees in#Ukraine special forces http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...-negotiate-the

    The General staffs of Russia and Ukraine may hold talks on the fate of GRU officers http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...raine-may-hold

    Russians wanted to kill their captured officers in Luhansk reg, Ukrainian servicemen saved their lives, claims #Ukraine's FM Pavlo Klimkin.

    UKR Mission to OSCE @UKRinOSCE
    Russian occupants in #Donbas aren't tired of refuting myth that "Russians do not abandon their own people" http://www.firstpost.com/world/ukrai...s-2250938.html
    So in fact the two captured Spetsnaz are not "former service members" but actual active Russian Army personnel.

    Meanwhile, RU Major-General Igor Konashenkov refers to "abuse of wounded comrades by SBU"
    http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-defen...rs-428073.html

    NOTE--this Russian General has a Russian SF history.

    Reference Russian claims of "abuse".

    Prisoners of Russian SoF not tortured and provided with satisfactory health care - Amnesty International http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...d-and-provided
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #Mariupol residents can hear heavy fighting from #Shyrokyne

    This comes after this morning conversation intercepted by SBU - "Smash the city at 21:00" http://www.unian.net/war/1076346-kon...ku-v-2100.html

    "DPR" claims they are attacked and they destroyed 2 Ukr tanks, 4-5 KIA, 14 WIA.

    BREAKING: Mariupol residents can hear heavy fighting from #Shyrokyne http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...from-shyrokyne

    NOTE--Remember the Russia disinformation concept of reverse reporting--this means the Ukrainians were attacked and they the mercenaries lost two tanks and personnel killed and or wounded----AS nothing has been reported by the Ukrainian unit on the ground currently--Azov.

    NOTE---Azov is quick to report via FB straight out of the fighting which means it is intense and still in progress.
    #Shyrokyno - at 19.45 russians started firing at Ukr positions with mortars, tanks and artillery. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...13834354049025

    Now Azov is confirming via their FB site of a heavy ongoing fight so the previous mercenary claims of Ukrainian loses are actually their own.

    There is a battle in Shyrokyne for almost an hour now which continues. RU forces using tanks & howitzers - AZOV

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...60&__tn__=%2As
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    How Capable Are Russia's New Armata Armored Vehicles? http://bit.ly/1R0LTnG pic.twitter.com/31AkbX7avL




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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ground combat is now becoming more intense and one can now actually say Minsk 2 is formally "dead".

    Militants attacked Ukr forces near Katerynivka, 4Ukr servicemen were KIA in combat, 2WIA, exchange of fire continues http://moskal.in.ua/index.php?catego...s&news_id=1745

    #BREAKINGNEWS
    Russian forces are trying to break through the Ukrainian line of defense near Zolote

    4 KIA
    2 WIA
    so far pic.twitter.com/ihI4uNq3SR

    Artillery, mortars and ground forces involved in coordinated push.
    Now the Russian mercenaries are stating Minsk 2 is "dead".

    "LPR's" Mozgovoi: "We are ready for more deaths. There is no way that we can reach an agreement with Kyiv government" http://ind.pn/1Fkz42e

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    Now the shellings are getting intense--- AND across the entire contact line.

    #Horlivka, #Dzerzhynsk 20:35
    All to the basements!!! https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...16718831460352

    #Donetsk 8:46PM
    Kyivsky district - something loud, towards airport, #Pisky, railway station. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...19089343057921

    #Donetsk 8:45PM
    Now the shells are falling at the airport, windows tremble. https://twitter.com/idinmor/status/600718871356710913

    Shelling in #Donetsk airport, #Pisky, Donetsk railway station, #Horlivka, #Dzerzhynsk and more places reported.
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    Note the quality of these tanks--as if they are straight out of the weapons storage depot.

    Do these Russian soldiers with tanks look like rebels/militants to you? So why call them "rebels" or "militants"? pic.twitter.com/RxI5foguwG

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    So in fact the two captured Spetsnaz are not "former service members" but actual active Russian Army personnel.

    Meanwhile, RU Major-General Igor Konashenkov refers to "abuse of wounded comrades by SBU"
    http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-defen...rs-428073.html

    NOTE--this Russian General has a Russian SF history.

    Reference Russian claims of "abuse".

    Prisoners of Russian SoF not tortured and provided with satisfactory health care - Amnesty International http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...d-and-provided
    Now we see the "truth"--seems Russia is in panic mode after the two released interview videos from today--WHY else would the Russian FM want to met with "two so called former Service members"??????

    Do not think they would have madfwe the same request to visit if a "miner and truck driver" had been captured.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Russian embassy demands meeting with Russians captured by Ukrainian army in Luhansk Regionhttp://tass.ru/en/russia/795627

    This Russian press release is an utter attempt at rather bad disinformation--reflects a panic mode.

    MOSCOW, May 19. /TASS/. Russia’s embassy in Kiev has demanded a meeting of consular staff with Russians Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev detained by the Ukrainian side on May 17, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

    "According to information in Ukrainian media citing Ukraine’s Security Service and Defense Ministry, on May 17 the Ukrainian army wounded and seized nationals of the Russian Federation Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev in the Luhansk Region," the ministry said. "The Ukrainian authorities said these were Russian servicemen."

    NOTE--the two Spetsnaz personnel openly stated they were active duty Russian service members of the 3rd GRU Spetsnaz Brigade NOT the Ukrainians and provided more than enough names of other Russian Spetsnaz in their team.

    "The Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is known to have already reported that the above-mentioned citizens are not active servicemen of Russia’s armed forces," the statement said.

    "The Russian embassy in Kiev has demanded a meeting of consular staff with the held nationals of the Russian Federation to render them required assistance in line with norms of international law," the ministry said.

    "We have been informed about the joint show staged today by Ukraine’s General Staff and the Security Service dedicated to the alleged detention of two Russian soldiers in the Luhansk region," he said. "The two Russian nationals, Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev, who were captured by the Ukrainian Security Service in the Luhansk region on May 17, were not servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces at the moment of detention."

    First deputy commander of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic's militia Sergey Kozlov was earlier reported saying the republic insists on Kiev’s immediately releasing Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev.

    "In line with provision six of the Minsk agreements that were signed by the Ukrainian president and with an aim of avoiding further escalation of the situation in the region, we demand immediate release of our militias, Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev," he said. "Mistreatment of our will not be left without consequences."

    NOTE---the Russian mercenaries on their own decided to stop all prisoner exchanges--currently they hold 401 confirmed POWs and a large number of civilians. There have been confirmed cases of Ukrainian POWs being both tortured and executed by Russian mercenaries--confirmed by AI and HWR. Ukrainians released all held Russian mercenary POWs in accordance with Minsk 2--Russia currently holds a number of Ukrainians actually imprisioned in Moscow after kidnapping them from the Ukraine. The US and NATO have repeatedly stated Russia must release all POWs under Minsk 2.

    He stressed that LPR’s militias "have always been humane towards all captives." "I would like to stress that I am speaking not only about servicemen of the Ukrainian army but about soldiers of Ukrainian punitive battalions, including foreigners. We offered emergency assistance to all of them and let them return home," he said.
    JUST a side note--how is it possible that the two captured Spetsnaz had such a deep fear if captured their organs would have been harvested by the Ukrainians--they stated they had been told that by their Commanders-in the video today from the captured CPT he stated he was willing and attempted to use a grenade to kill himself to avoid this.

    NOW the kicker--there have been some social media reports that this has been ongoing with Ukrainian POWs. In RUMINT there is somewhere a grain of truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Now the Russian mercenaries are stating Minsk 2 is "dead".

    "LPR's" Mozgovoi: "We are ready for more deaths. There is no way that we can reach an agreement with Kyiv government" http://ind.pn/1Fkz42e

    Fergal Keane ✔ @fergalkeane47
    Exclusive: #Ukraine's Poroshenko tells me now "real war" with Russia pic.twitter.com/9DEwzSrL1w

    OSCE Apakan is talking out of something ---as Sector M is hot, and Russian forces at Novoazovsk staging post are on high alert.

    NOTE---Sector M is Mariupol area where fighting is extremely this evening and it has been ongoing now for over three hours.
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    Highly unusual time for this type of air activity on the part of the Russian AF.

    Russian Air Force strategic bombers airborne... https://twitter.com/te3ej/status/600727767659995136

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    So in fact the two captured Spetsnaz are not "former service members" but actual active Russian Army personnel.

    Meanwhile, RU Major-General Igor Konashenkov refers to "abuse of wounded comrades by SBU"
    http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-defen...rs-428073.html

    NOTE--this Russian General has a Russian SF history.

    Reference Russian claims of "abuse".

    Prisoners of Russian SoF not tortured and provided with satisfactory health care - Amnesty International http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-may-...d-and-provided
    RUSSIANS CAPTURED IN UKRAINE SEND MESSAGES BACK HOME
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...05-19-14-30-10

    VIDEO Soldiers of the '92nd Ombre' explaining how and where they captured Russian tourists...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riat3JeK5Zs … pic.twitter.com/XfzVj46ZvY

    Captured commandos cause panic in Russian General Staff. They are now looking for a way out - Media http://en.censor.net.ua/n336764
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    Russian propaganda has 4 Ds: dismiss, distort, distract, dismay.

    Always keep this in mind when reading Russian offical comments, press releases and or blog comments.

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    Russian embassy in Damascus comes under mortar fire http://tass.ru/en/world/795652

    Russia the country that provides Assad with every weapon possible is bitching about the targeting of its Embassy in Damascus...

    What goes around always comes around is an old Arabic saying---I remember that the KSA at an Arab League meeting recently condemned Russia arms shipments to Assad.

    MOSCOW, May 19. /TASS/. Russia’s embassy in Damascus came under mortar fire on Tuesday, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said.

    "The embassy was shelled presumably from the Jobar district controlled by illegal armed groups," he said. "One mine went off 15 meters off the main entrance gate of our diplomatic mission. Another mine broke through the outer wall and hit an office in the embassy building."

    "Luckily, no one was hurt. The building was damaged," he said.

    The ministry considers the shelling a terrorist attack against the diplomatic mission. "We reiterate our solidarity with the Syrian authorities in their efforts to rebuff the terrorist threat in Syria," the diplomat said.

    "We call on the international community to respond to this terrorist attack against the Russian diplomatic mission. We urge all parties enjoying influence on extremists in Syria to demand they immediately stop such actions," he said.
    Do not think for a moment that Russian acitvities in the Ukraine and in Syria are not connected. Seems DC and the NSC has forgotten this small point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #Shyrokyno - at 19.45 russians started firing at Ukr positions with mortars, tanks and artillery. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...13834354049025

    Now Azov is confirming via their FB site of a heavy ongoing fight so the previous mercenary claims of Ukrainian loses are actually their own.

    There is a battle in Shyrokyne for almost an hour now which continues. RU forces using tanks & howitzers - AZOV

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...60&__tn__=%2As
    Appears that the OSCE is way to hopeful--seems they forgot to ask the combatants on the ground.

    OSCE chief monitor [Apakan] says situation around Ukraine's #Shyrokyne will be settled within days (Kremlin TASS) http://tass.ru/en/world/795650

    It will be settled only via armed conflict--as it is the key to the defense of Mariupol and Odessa and the Russian troops and her mercenaries know this--seems OSCE does not though.

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