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    Russian humor---

    Vladimir Putin
    Russia has nothing to hide from #FIFA. Because we destroyed the computers.
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    Notice just how Russia plays the "disinformation/propaganda game"--they release this comment from a "well informed Russian elite connected individual" which at first glance looks "promising" BUT then it is balanced by the two following fighting reality checks that actually then depicts the "battlefield" truth of Russian intentions.

    So in fact was the US journalist being "fed"? AND which of the Russian propaganda 4Ds fits this journalist's comment below???

    Dismiss, distort, distract, dismay--Russia's 4Ds of propaganda.

    I would choose distort and distract and to a degree dismay.

    Does not seem to appear that Russia is "ready as of today to abandon Donbas does it????

    What is an interesting question right now is--can really after all the false, fake and outright lies Putin and his FM have used over the last year---can anything they say, state, write and or utter be "trusted"???? Second question would be--if one negotiates with them how does DoS Kerry truly know when he is being lied to unless he is reading Us IC reports after each comment they make in order to check the reality??

    Leonid Ragozin @leonidragozin
    The well-informed Valery Solovey claims Russian elite, including the military, is ready to abandon Donbass, normalize relations west West

    Extremely difficult situation on the outskirts of #Pervomaisk, near Bakhmutka. The enemy is trying to break through. https://twitter.com/UaForces/status/603529414060670976

    The fighting continued almost throughout entire contact line from #Zolote - Stanitsya Luhanska. We have losses. https://twitter.com/UaForces/statu
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    15:45 #Luhansk @LutuginskyRayon [There was blast wave], white smoke cloud over #Oleksandrivsk [range] pic.twitter.com/O6QeYKqyhX

    It looks like the explosion reported earlier from #Luhansk was in the teaching range. https://twitter.com/100007182042214/...50416131993600 …

    #Luhansk
    15:26 @vzglyd2 East heard double sound of a shot, curtains shaked
    15:30 @100007182042214 Something exploded loudly

    13:00 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka Quiet, single small arms shots were 10 min ago fr/Sovkhoz dir'n w/2-3min interval

    #Shchastya 4:06PM
    There is a battle near the bridge over the S. Donets river. https://twitter.com/100007182042214/...47764434272257 …

    Hundreds of vehicles wait in line to leave the occupied city of #Horlivka, towards #Artemivsk (to the "junta"). https://twitter.com/novostidnua/stat...41326186024960 …

    Map of location/distance https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Mat...74e3db546015ec …. Russian Uragan MLRS battery seen 24 May south of Matveev Kurgan http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.ie/2015/05/reuter

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    We're listening in to "DPR armed forces radio" (ie GRU) breaking in to UA army nets: Ivans have ramped up psyops operations today

    Does sound like the idiot stuff Weps & Co were listening to: kind of Kremlin trolls on the radio net! So 1940s!

    Militants kidnapped and then killed the son of Luhansk businessman pic.twitter.com/5WAGPQjCQ4 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/27-may

    SBU: Putin’s assistants personally oversee separatists and terrorists in Ukraine
    http://www.unian.info/politics/10826...n-ukraine.html … pic.twitter.com/cmfuTZjNSC

    Mass grave of Soviet executions discovered in NW #Ukraine. 367 ppl (100 kids) shot after #MolotovRibbentroppPact. pic.twitter.com/uCAqv6oKVx

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference now Moldavia---and the Ukraine cutting off Russian resupply transit route into Transnistria for it's troops.

    Russian MFA called in Moldova's charge d'affairs to complain/threaten over Transnistria access issue http://tass.ru/en/russia/796858 …

    #Transnistria is THE flashpoint: once it is blocked Putin be forced either to withdraw or wage total war on Ukraine https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/stat...73795646914561 …

    Kremlin spokesman dismisses media reports about appeals for help from Transdniestria http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/26-may-...-about-appeals … via @tassagency_en

    NOTICE the media reports came straight from Russian sources---
    HERE WE GO: "People of Transnistria Ask Putin for Protection From External Threat" http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150526/1022549313.html … prin @SputnikInt

    Might be a bit more complex than that; but agree, it's a trigger (Gerasimov said so) and may prompt Russia to open a second front. this, or start pillaging factories within arty range: Avdiivka, AzovStal, etc. to devastate Ukrainian economy

    The Washington Times: Kremlin stole Moldova’s millions http://www.moldova.org/the-washingto...ovas-millions/ … prin @moldovaorg
    BREAKING: MOLDOVA BANNED THE RUSSIAN TV ROSSIA 24 http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-russia_r...-asteptata.htm …

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    The hypocrisy of the Russian FM is reaching new heights these days --he refers to full implementation of Minsk 2 and yet more BM27s and Russian tanks have been shipped into the Ukraine in large numbers just over the last two days and they came from Russia not Germany.

    So using Russian troops in the Ukraine, supplying the newest Russian military equipment to her mercenaries, and using Spetsnaz troops over a year now in the Ukraine is according to "international law"???? Annexing Crimea is again what "according to international law" BUT wait one does notice he fails to actually name any international law they are in accordance with OR more importantly what others are "violating".

    The Russian mantra of repeating over and over "international law" is an attempt to whitewash themselves meaning if one repeats it often enough then everyone assumes "hey they are acting in accordance with international law".

    Typical Russian 4D propaganda----- dismiss ,distort, distract----


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov:We agree on Ukraine:the Minsk Agreements must be implemented undeviatingly & in full, through direct dialogue pic.twitter.com/2YmL4dIGSb

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We also discussed the situation in #Ukraine, in that foreign interference and disregard for international law is not acceptable
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    These two and yet separate incidents carry a massive problem for the Russian military in the Ukraine.

    I had written a comment on the capture after the Russian Embassy in Kyiv "claimed" they had not been able to see them"--that they better hurry up as the GRU had better worry about what happens when the two who have been basically abandoned by their own military and Putin basically "wake up" to the realization of being abandoned. In the POW world it is known as a "cognitive dissonance" moment.

    These two Spetsnaz have a lot to say and explain to the Ukrainian security and intelligence services but IMO they have held back to see just what "protection" they would be getting via the Russian Embassy. Well they got a visit yesterday by a low level Consul and that was about it.

    THEN today this came across the net and it is a hammer against the GRU--

    Alexandrov, one of the alleged Russian soldiers captured in eastern Ukraine, will cooperate with prosecutors http://ru.tsn.ua/ato/grushnik-aleksa...yu-427662.html

    After he has decided to turn on the Russian Spetsnaz it will be interesting when the Spetsnaz CPT turns and he will and he has far more to talk about.

    The Russian military has made one heck of a bad decision--you just support your troops even when captured--not to gets you this mess caused by themselves.

    Secondly, on the same day as the recent ambush of a well known Russian mercenary who was killed a little known Ukrainian guerrilla unit claimed responsibility and yet they did not claim the attack public via open sources.

    THEN there was a small comment on the net that the Russian General at the JCCC had been "shot at" and that was about it. WHAT is extremely interesting is it had happened twice before and the Russian news media made a super big thing out of it--this time there was absolutely nothing being mentioned even by the JCCC or the OSCE to whom the Russians complained to in the past-Wonder why????

    Same day of ambush that killed #Mozgovoy there was an attack against JCCC's Russian General #Lentsov anyone know where?

    Evidently the Russian General was in a mercenary controlled area almost in the same location as the first ambush occurred--core question exactly why was he there and what was the "exact location" of the shooting directed at him.

    Am suspecting it was an ambush attempt that barely missed him but the Russians are unwilling to concede it was an ambush.

    THEN this came back on the question--just a short comment also via the net

    231800may, abt 1.5 km fr Gorlovka, UKR sabotage and recon group atk on the Rus rep at the JCCC, ColGen Alexander Lentsov

    SO just what was the Russian General doing deep in mercenary controlled territory --just joy riding???--- as his trip in that area was not known to his Ukrainian JCCC counterparts and he did not say anything to them when he came back to the JCCC.

    Earlier he was a press release hog on the prior shootings this time silence--strange is it not???

    Maybe he "understood" the warning that he could be as easily killed as were two other Russian Generals by the same Ukrainian guerrilla unit and even if he is in the JCCC he is "fair game" to them.
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    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 5.26

    Posted on May 27, 2015 by tilamuse

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    Over the past 24 hours, Russian- terrorist troops in Donbas carried out attacks mainly from small arms, grenade launchers, 82- and 120-mm mortars. There are also documented cases of [terrorist] use of armored vehicles and artillery systems, which were to be withdrawn from the line of contact under the Minsk Agreements.

    The enemy was leading sniper fire on the positions [of Ukrainian troops] in the vicinity of Mariinka. In the Pisky – Avdiivka stretch, insurgents were operating in firing groups armed with mobile means of destruction. A fortified area of Ukrainian troops near Opytne was shelled by ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft systems at least twice, with their subsequent transfer and departure. As a result of the ensuing firefight in the vicinity of Leninske, terrorists used 82-mm mortars to suppress the firing positions of our troops. An insurgent tank group has been operating between Novhorodske and Verkhnotoretske. Three enemy tanks periodically aimed open fire at our forefront from camouflaged positions.

    In the seaside direction, tensions remain in Shyrokyne and on the Pavlopil – Chermalyk stretch. In these areas, illegal armed groups fired at the positions of ATO forces from large-caliber machine guns, grenade launchers, and mortars (including 120-mm caliber mortars). A stronghold near Chermalyk and the positions of the ATO forces north and west of Shyrokyne have been shelled several times from 122-mm D-30 and 2S1 Gvozdika howitzers.

    The situation remains difficult in the Luhansk direction. Terrorists fire from infantry weapons, occasionally interrupted by artillery raids from 122-mm artillery in the vicinity of Krymske, Zolote, and Novotoshkivka. In the Luhanske – Myronivskyi stretch, insurgents used several BMP-2 to fire at Ukrainian troop positions. After intensive fire from regular 30-mm automatic guns, the BMP moved back to insurgent battle formations under cover of mortar fire.

    Movement of military equipment and units of the Russian-terrorist forces:

    Movement of insurgent traffic remains the busiest in Donetsk, Luhansk and their surrounding areas – from Krasnyi Luch towards Snizhne and Debaltseve, from Amvrosiivka to Starobeshevo and the South. In addition, the Torez – Shakhtarsk – Yenakijeve – Horlivka direction has been “revived.” However, the main cargo flow intended for terrorists goes through the Ilovaisk transport hub, as before.

    Armored vehicles of illegal armed gangs contine to accumulate in the Kirovskyi and Petrovskyi districts of Donetsk. They are dispersed at the city auto-repair shops and logistics terminals, as well as disguised in the close vicinity of residential areas. To date, according to the IR group estimates, there are no less than 120 armored vehicles, a quarter of which are tanks (mainly T-72M, T-72BA, T-72B3, a T-64B and T-64BV).

    To the south of Makiivka (between Hirnytskyi district and the Donetsk Koltseva road), two “Tor-M1” air defense missile systems and their outfitted positions have been seen.

    The regrouping of armored terrorist vehicles continues from the Pervomaisk – Stakhanov area to the right flank in the direction of Donetske – Zhelobok. More armored vehicles have been moved into this area – two BMP-2, a BTR-80, and three T-64B tanksbeen observed.

    A terrorist infrantry grop (40 men on three BTR-80 and three trucks) have proceeded from Amvrosiivka in the direction of Telmanove.

    In Yakovlivka and Yasynuvata, the arrival of “brand new” units of illegal armed gangs has been recorded – 10 tanks, 15 vehicles, and about 250 insurgents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    These two and yet separate incidents carry a massive problem for the Russian military in the Ukraine.

    I had written a comment on the capture after the Russian Embassy in Kyiv "claimed" they had not been able to see them"--that they better hurry up as the GRU had better worry about what happens when the two who have been basically abandoned by their own military and Putin basically "wake up" to the realization of being abandoned. In the POW world it is known as a "cognitive dissonance" moment.

    These two Spetsnaz have a lot to say and explain to the Ukrainian security and intelligence services but IMO they have held back to see just what "protection" they would be getting via the Russian Embassy. Well they got a visit yesterday by a low level Consul and that was about it.

    THEN today this came across the net and it is a hammer against the GRU--

    Alexandrov, one of the alleged Russian soldiers captured in eastern Ukraine, will cooperate with prosecutors http://ru.tsn.ua/ato/grushnik-aleksa...yu-427662.html …

    After he has decided to turn on the Russian Spetsnaz it will be interesting when the Spetsnaz CPT turns and he will and he has far more to talk about.

    The Russian military has made one heck of a bad decision--you just support your troops even when captured--not to gets you this mess caused by themselves.

    Secondly, on the same day as the recent ambush of a well known Russian mercenary who was killed a little known Ukrainian guerrilla unit claimed responsibility and yet they did not claim the attack public via open sources.

    THEN there was a small comment on the net that the Russian General at the JCCC had been "shot at" and that was about it. WHAT is extremely interesting is it had happened twice before and the Russian news media made a super big thing out of it--this time there was absolutely nothing being mentioned even by the JCCC or the OSCE to whom the Russians complained to in the past-Wonder why????

    Same day of ambush that killed #Mozgovoy there was an attack against JCCC's Russian General #Lentsov anyone know where?

    Evidently the Russian General was in a mercenary controlled area almost in the same location as the first ambush occurred--core question exactly why was he there and what was the "exact location" of the shooting directed at him.

    Am suspecting it was an ambush attempt that barely missed him but the Russians are unwilling to concede it was an ambush.

    THEN this came back on the question--just a short comment also via the net

    231800may, abt 1.5 km fr Gorlovka, UKR sabotage and recon group atk on the Rus rep at the JCCC, ColGen Alexander Lentsov

    SO just what was the Russian General doing deep in mercenary controlled territory --just joy riding???--- as his trip in that area was not known to his Ukrainian JCCC counterparts and he did not say anything to them when he came back to the JCCC.

    Earlier he was a press release hog on the prior shootings this time silence--strange is it not???

    Maybe he "understood" the warning that he could be as easily killed as were two other Russian Generals by the same Ukrainian guerrilla unit and even if he is in the JCCC he is "fair game" to them.

    Captured Russian Soldier Aleksandrov Will Not Appeal Detention In Kiev

    16:41 (GMT)

    TSN reports that Konstantin Kravchuk, a Ukrainian lawyer for Aleksandr Aleksandrov, a Russian GRU Spetsnaz soldier captured outside Schastye on May 17, has told the television channel that his client will not appeal the decision of a Kiev court to place him under arrest.

    Kravchuk said that Aleksandrov would cooperate with the investigation and that the conditions of his detention in the VIP ward of a military hospital were "more than good enough."

    The lawyer has made a request to the Ukrainian Prosecutor-General that the terrorism charges against his client be withdrawn as he says that Aleksandrov did not use firearms on Ukrainian territory. Instead, Kravchuk says, he can only be found guilty of illegally entering Ukrainian territory with the aim of gathering intelligence.

    Aleksandrov's fellow captive and commander, Yevgeniy Yerofeyev, will appeal against his arrest, TSN reports.

    Yesterday, both captives finally received visits from a Russian consul, Aleksei Grubiy.
    Will be interesting to see just how long the Spetsnaz CPT will hold out on saying anything as his trial goes forward in the coming weeks.

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    More open source retro analysis video and Russian FB analysis---on the Russian 3rd Spetsnaz Brigade---the 2nd BN was the unit that had the two POWs from.

    It appears that the 3rd Spetsnaz Brigade had been fighting inside the Ukraine for well over a year now--appears to be the primary Sf Brigade doing the overall Spetsnaz fighting.

    “Royal Flush”. Russian Special Forces soldier fighting in Ukraine showed us all! http://lugansk-news.com/royal-flush-...showed-us-all/ … pic.twitter.com/b6rymko379

    Well worth reading the link as this Spetsnaz soldier definitely made the wrong OPSEC choice and posted everything including photos that could be geo tagged.

    At the end of January Ukrainian investigative team of InformNapalm.org found profile of a Russian soldier who was fighting in Ukraine on the side of so-called Lugansk People’s Republic. His name is Krivko. That guy really gave us all possible proofs of Russian aggression against Ukraine posting photos of all his steps in Ukraine.

    Here is a brief summary of what that guy showed us, so everybody can see who is really fighting against Ukrainian Army.

    1. He is Russian citizen.

    2. He is a soldier of 3rd Brigade of Special Forces of Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, aka Spetsnaz GRU. He is exactly from the same 3rd Brigade of Special Forces as Russian POW Aleksadr Aleksandrov and Evgeniy Erofeev captured by Ukrainian Army on May 16 2015 near Lugansk. See Aleksandrov’s 1st interview here “I am a soldier of Russian Federation”

    3. He was on a training camp inside Ukraine on the territory controlled by so-called Lugansk People’s Republic just 8km away from Lugansk Airport at already at end of September 2014.

    4. He got AS “Val” assault rifle, manufactured in Russia only and used by Russian Special Forces unit. And he was wounded in a battle against Ukrainian Army near Sanzharivka on Jan 28 2015.

    5. He is driving armored personnel carrier BPM-97 “Vystrel” manufactured only in Russia and used only by Russian Special Forces units.

    Here is a link to Krivko’s profile https://vk.com/hakir79 The irony is that he deactivated his profile after it became public and just re-activated it today. His details were also added to Security Service of Ukraine list of terrorists fighting in Ukraine, he was listed as mercenary and instructor, here is a link https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/master-yoda-krivko/ Initially he used nickname “Master Yoda”. The interisting fact is that Alexey Mozgovoy, the leader of pro-Russian terrorists who controlled Alchevsk and was killed on May 23 2015, is in his friends list, link to Mozgovoy page https://vk.com/id265927036

    On January 2015 28 at about 3:30pm Krivko aka “Master Yoda” was wounded in a battle against Ukrainian Army near Sanzharivka, he was taken to the hospital in Stakhanov and posted few photos from there. The photos below were taken just before the battle at 13:34 on Jan 28, and in those photos you can see AS Val assault riffle used only by Russian Special Forces units.

    Earlier that day Krivko was in Bryanka. He posted a photo taken there at 02:17am. In the photo is a plate from “Ukraine presidential elections” voting office number #30 of Bryanka city.

    In the evening the day he was wounded he posted a photo of the wounds. The time stamp in the photo is Jan 28 2015 20:40.

    Next day early in the morning he posted history written by his doctor in Stakhanov hospital. The document says that he was wounded near Sanzharivka during military actions at 15:30 on Jan 28 2015. The medical form is printed in Ukrainian language.

    Earlier on January 13 2015 Krivko posted a photo of himself on an armored personnel carried BPM-97 “Vystrel” used only by Russian Special Forces, but still those vehicles were reported being used by pro-Russian separatists on the territory of Ukraine. 1st time that vehicle was seen in Lugansk on Jan 1 2015, same day when one of the separatist leader Bednov aka “Batman” was killed.

    Krivko was in Ukraine at least since the end of Septerber 2014. On September 22 2014 he posted he posted a photo with geo-location mark. The photo was taken in Pershozvanivka village, at that time it was on terrorists controlled part of Lugansk Region. The village is locate about 8 km from Lugansk Airport and obviously it was used as some kind of training camp by Russian units.

    On the same day September 22 he posted photos of Ukrainian and USA MRE packages that his group obviously got from the positions of Ukrainian army they took or from Ukrainian POW they captured.

    Other photos from the same locating were posted on October 3 and October 9.

    On October 9 2014 he posted another photo of his military unit from the same location in Pershozvanivka village.

    This guy has a lot of photos that identifies him as a soldier of Russian Army special forces unit. The photos below were taken in Samara, Russian Federation. The sign on the background says “Samara’s Regional Civic Organization – Union of Veterans of Airborne Troops and Special Forces Troops” (in Russian “Самарская Региональная Общественная Организация Союз Ветеранов Воздушно-Десантных войск и войск специального назначения”). Here is a link to this Airborne Veterans Organization website http://sonko.samregion.ru/sonko/catalog/272

    There is also a photo that identifies him as a soldier of 3rd Brigade of Special Forces of Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, aka Spetsnaz GRU. In the photo with his friends they are holding a flag, the letters on the flag is abbreviation of the full name of 3rd Brigade of Spetsnaz GRU.

    Obviously they had some kind of meeting in Samara, the soldiers who served in the same unit. And more likely they were recruited during that meeting and went to Ukraine to fight against Ukrainian Army on the side of so-called Lugansk People’s Republic. Here is a link to Google Map of the location where the photo was take that match the map behind the guys in the photo.
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    Reference the FIFA corruption arrests from today:

    Agence France-Presse ✔ @AFP
    #BREAKING Russia slams 'illegal' use of US law in FIFA probe

    US response:
    FIFA: FBI Director James Comey "If you touch our shores with your corrupt enterprise you will be held accountable." This is really happening

    THEN naturally Russian humor kicks in:

    Vladimir Putin
    We've nothing to hide from #FIFA. In the same way we've nothing to hide from @OSCE dudes we're stopping from monitoring Ukraine's border.

    Vladimir Putin
    The US persecuting #FIFA for laundering US dollars through US companies using the US banking system is "outside US jurisdiction".

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    Reference the recently ambushed and killed Russian mercenary leader---

    youtube.com/watch?v=GK81Sa9t1tg … Funeral of semi-rogue warlord #Mozgovoi,who debunkd #Russia's 'fascism' rhetoric on #Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTGyM0LyD0 …

    Russian mercenary from #Tumen, #Russia killed along with his boss #Mozgovoy in ambush. #Lughansk https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...04944692912128 …

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    Police in Rostov interrogated a spelling bee official about his extremist ties to "grammar nazis." Seriously. https://meduza.io/en/lion/2015/05/27...zi-connections …

    Journal of Soviet & Post-Soviet Politics & Society 1:1 - Russian Media and the War in Ukraine http://www.ibidemverlag.de/Series/Jo...d-Society.html … pic.twitter.com/VNmiibeR6l

    MORE on the Face Book incident of them blocking Ukrainian bloggers when Russian trolls are complaining that some of their account content is anti Russian.

    Is Face Book just an extended arm of the Russian "weaponization of information" and is playing along with Russia due to Russian oligarch investors????

    Sign a petition against political blocking of #Ukraine users over #Russia's war in Ukraine
    https://www.change.org/p/facebook-st...fb_ref=Default … pic.twitter.com/tbZywYQChZ

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    Shellings and ground attacks are off to a slow start this evening it seems----mercenaries have taken high loses in their ground attacks so maybe they are in a rethinking mode this evening.

    7:54PM
    Evening, #Mariupol, canonade. Nothing new. https://twitter.com/sir_T_Lawrence/s...05322247307264 …

    #Horlivka 19:25
    Drone fyling over the city, ruscists trying to shoot it down. https://twitter.com/xy_gorlov4an/sta...05702033219584 …

    Separatist "funeral" in #Donetsk airport. https://twitter.com/Max_Bondar/statu...94014844149760 …

    #Severodonetsk 7:58PM
    Shelling heard far away. https://twitter.com/prostopots/statu...06310316339200 …

    #Lysychansk 8:05PM
    Shelling heard from Novotoshkovske-Krymske area https://twitter.com/lis_ukrop/status/603608710712266755 …

    BREAKING: Latvia Spots Russian Sub, Ship Near Territorial Waters: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...rs/522454.html …

    #Luhansk,#Ukraine,a huuuge oversupply of Grads pic.twitter.com/NyAZ2EJbIS

    Ex-#Aidar battalion cmdr/now-MP Serhiy Melnychuk claims he's got video proving military coup, attempt upon Poroshenko's life was planned

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    9:27PM
    #Shchastya -shooting.
    #Luhansk-East, Center and North, partly Kambrod distr. without light and communication. https://twitter.com/100007182042214/...28720700665856

    Ukrainians In Heavy Firefight During Battle for Shyrokyne https://youtu.be/EE_QgTuiO1g prin @YouTube

    Donbas militants fire artillery systems along entire line of contact on Wednesday
    http://www.unian.info/war/1082817-do...wednesday.html … pic.twitter.com/FXUoWUVZA2

    Ukr positions in #Shyrokyne are being shelled w/ 122mm self-propelled artillery. In #Mariupol salvos are audible http://www.0629.com.ua/news/839772

    Russian forces (DPR unit) tanks at Mospyne, Donetsk region, Ukraine 27 May (v @GirkinGirkin) pic.twitter.com/OGHo0Qakg9 https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Mos...be2676d05713da

    Nothing 'Hybrid' About Russia's War in Ukraine: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...ne/522471.html …

    Not surprisingly, 'trusty' #Russia's MSM claims that the US killed terrorist leader #Mozgovoi. http://ria.ru/world/20150524/1066192184.html … pic.twitter.com/Im1uyNWtei

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    The reign of terror in #Lugansk has tested a thermobaric missile. Although there are no munitions factory. A Miracle. pic.twitter.com/6z2AjLpuN2

    Russian Army 2S3 Akatsiya in #Rostov on their way to Ukraine pic.twitter.com/vX05uWh6On http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/27-may-...n-their-way-to …

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    In Russian propaganda and or disinformation there are the famous 4Ds, distract, distort, dismiss and dismay.

    A sub set that we are now seeing in the Ukraine is the concept of I will take your statements and flip them around and confront you with your own words. Example --you state you have been shelled 45 times--we argue we have been shelled 45 times--if you say something you are not planning to do ie not attack me then I will turn around and state you are in fact planning to attack me. Distract and distort straight forward.

    The following is an interesting article as it is the first time Russia is attempting to down play our use of the term hybrid warfare by distorting and distracting the basis of their own military doctrine by attempting in this case to use the argument that there are pressing internal factors at play that the West is overlooking.

    Yet missing the simple fact that if the eastern portion of the Ukraine was so rabid proRussian then out of a fighting force of 34,000 mercenaries there are only at last estimate 4,000 local Ukrainians and the Russian FSB officer that kicked the whole thing off Strelkov aka Girkin often complained bitterly he could not get anyone to volunteer to fight for New Russia.

    Also notice how he nicely defines it as a civil war but ignores that it was a Russian FSB team that kicked everything off.

    Well worth the read as this is a good enough reason to fully understand UW and political warfare.

    BTW--EVEN US SF gets a mention.

    Be sure to check the author as he sits in a position of knowing about his own UW military doctrine and yet seemed to completely overlook it.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...id-about-russi...

    Nothing 'Hybrid' About Russia's War in Ukraine

    By Ruslan Pukhov
    May. 27 2015 00:00

    Russia's actions in Crimea and eastern Ukraine over the past year gave rise in the West to a widespread theory about some kind of "hybrid war," an innovative form of military intervention that Moscow created specifically for this crisis. However, upon closer inspection, the term hybrid war is more a propaganda tool than hard fact and any attempt to fully define it strips the idea of any novelty.

    One Western attempt at defining the term states that hybrid war is a combination of overt and covert military actions, provocations and diversions in conjunction with denial of involvement, significantly complicating any full-scale response to those actions.

    A more extensive definition of hybrid war appears in the editor's introduction to "The Military Balance 2015" published by The International Institute for Strategic Studies. It describes hybrid war as "the use of military and non-military tools in an integrated campaign designed to achieve surprise, seize the initiative and gain psychological as well as physical advantages utilizing diplomatic means; sophisticated and rapid information, electronic and cyber operations; covert and occasionally overt military and intelligence action; and economic pressure."

    It also points out that during the Crimean operations in February-March 2014 "Russian forces demonstrated integrated use of rapid deployment, electronic warfare, information operations (IO), locally based naval infantry, airborne assault and special-forces capabilities, as well as wider use of cyberspace and strategic communications. The latter was used to shape a multifaceted and overall effective information campaign targeted as much at domestic as foreign audiences."

    In eastern Ukraine, Moscow demonstrated the ability to quickly create "pressure groups" composed of "elements of the local population" but that are managed and supported from outside, and that such a tactic can be used to defend ethnic minorities.

    In this regard, the document stated that NATO considers hybrid warfare a serious challenge because it takes place in a "gray zone" of the alliance's obligations and could lead to a split between its members.

    It is not difficult to see that these definitions of hybrid war, and especially the characterization of Russia's actions in 2014 as such, are out of touch with reality. For example, it is unclear which special "information" and "cyber operations" — much less which "wider use of cyber space and strategic communications" Moscow employed during its operations in Crimea. No information has come to light concerning "cyber operations" in Crimea — and what need was there for them considering the archaic condition of the Ukrainian armed forces?

    Russia conducted only a sluggish propaganda campaign in support of the Crimea operation, for both foreign and domestic audiences. In fact, Moscow did not so much broadcast its actions in Crimea or the reason behind them as keep silent on the subject, concealing its end game.

    As a result, the annexation of the peninsula came as a surprise to many. The de facto justification for those actions also seemed like an afterthought. The annexation of Crimea enjoyed wide popular support in Russia without much propaganda because most Russians already believed that Crimea is Russian land. On the other hand, Russian forces occupying Crimea apparently waged an active propaganda campaign aimed at the besieged Ukrainian soldiers there, proposing that they switch allegiance to the Russian side.

    That effort was successful. Only about 20 percent of those Ukrainian soldiers decided to retain their allegiance and evacuate Crimea, while the other 80 percent either joined the Russian army or deserted.

    At the same time, this success was due more to the fact that most of the military personnel on Crimea were residents of the peninsula and had no desire to leave than to any particular merits of the propaganda employed.

    The actions attributed to so-called hybrid warfare are fairly standard to any "low intensity" armed conflict of recent decades, if not centuries. It is difficult to imagine any country using military force without providing informational support, using methods of "secret warfare," attempting to erode enemy forces, exploiting internal ethnic, social, economic, political or other divisions in the enemy camp, and without the use of retaliatory economic sanctions. These have been the fundamentals of war since antiquity.

    The widely accepted definition of a hybrid war as using a combination of overt and covert actions, including the deployment in Crimea of "polite men in green" ignores the unique nature of that military operation. In Crimea, Russia relied on the nearly total support of the local population and the resultant complete isolation of the Ukrainian forces there.

    It was this fact that made it possible for soldiers in unmarked uniforms to remain in place as long as necessary. However, that is also specific to the situation in Crimea. Such polite men in green would not last long if they showed up in, say, Poland or the American Midwest. In that case, simply concealing their origins would not help them.

    In fact, there is a long history of soldiers concealing their identities and using unmarked uniforms for limited military actions and special operations, just as there are historical precedents for claiming that regular army soldiers are actually local "volunteers."

    In essence, history shows that any external military intervention by a foreign army into another country's civil war has inevitably involved similar practices. Neither is this the first time that a government has used both regular army and rebel forces together. Such practices are standard when deploying military resources under specific conditions. Recall that one of the main tasks of the U.S. Special Forces is the organization and support of "friendly" rebel and guerrilla movements.

    With this in mind, the current Ukrainian conflict bears less resemblance to Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland in 1938 — where, by the way, German irredentist militia were active — and more to the United States' Mexican War of 1846-48 that led to the accession of Texas and a number of other Mexican states to the U.S., and also to the Italian Risorgimento that unified Italy in the mid-19th century.

    In both cases, the reason for an irredentist war is evident, as well as the fact that the "mother country" could not openly intercede militarily on behalf of the irredentists. That is why they used the widest possible array of methods to support the irredentist cause — by supporting and replenishing their fighting formations, sending large numbers of real and alleged volunteers, as well as camouflaged units of their armed forces, and by staging limited interventions.

    Thus, the novelty of this so-called hybrid war begins to fade upon a closer look at history. Russia's hybrid war is simply a modern application of an age-old set of military and political practices.

    It is the presence of forces friendly to the outside power that makes it possible to employ methods that have now become known as "hybrid." In applying the term hybrid war to the conflict in Ukraine, modern observers use politically biased wording to overstate the importance of external factors in the conflict and to downplay the significance of internal factors.

    That attempt to downplay the significance of internal factors in the Ukrainian conflict goes over very well in the West, and explains why it persists in suggesting that Russia's hybrid war is something new.

    Ruslan Pukhov is director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies and publisher of the journal Moscow Defense Brief.

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    Thermobaric weapons are not being built and fielded in eastern Ukraine SO where did these new weapons come from??????

    VIDEO Russian proxy LPR tests new weapon 'Dragon'. For clearing minefields/trenches?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_rIvvdQ9z4 … pic.twitter.com/93noR2oCGN

    LPR new weapon is yet another example that this is Russias war against Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/ui7YDmlfmz

    The reign of terror in #Lugansk has tested a thermobaric missile. Although there are no munitions factory. A Miracle. pic.twitter.com/6z2AjLpuN2
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 05-27-2015 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BREAKING: MOLDOVA BANNED THE RUSSIAN TV ROSSIA 24 http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-russia_r...-asteptata.htm
    BREAKING: MOLDOVA POLICE FIND MOLOTOV COCKTAILS, DETONATORS, MASKS
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...05-27-11-37-52
    in doing so, it confiscated 40 firearms, 200 grenades, 100 shells and 40 landmines."

    NOTICE the signature of the Ukrainian "separatist" weapons of choice.

    EXPERTS: Foreign forces are preparing the violent overthrow of Moldova's government
    http://www.timpul.md/articol/alerta-...ova-74985.html

    BREAKING: Bomb squad finds explosives at two addresses in Chisinau, calls to Russia made from mobile phones
    http://www.ipn.md/en/societate/69659

    World Bank to provide 12-million-dollar-worth loan to Moldovan fruits producers
    http://www.moldpres.md/en/news/2015/05/26/15003535
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    In Russian propaganda and or disinformation there are the famous 4Ds, distract, distort, dismiss and dismay.

    A sub set that we are now seeing in the Ukraine is the concept of I will take your statements and flip them around and confront you with your own words. Example --you state you have been shelled 45 times--we argue we have been shelled 45 times--if you say something you are not planning to do ie not attack me then I will turn around and state you are in fact planning to attack me. Distract and distort straight forward.

    The following is an interesting article as it is the first time Russia is attempting to down play our use of the term hybrid warfare by distorting and distracting the basis of their own military doctrine by attempting in this case to use the argument that there are pressing internal factors at play that the West is overlooking.

    Yet missing the simple fact that if the eastern portion of the Ukraine was so rabid proRussian then out of a fighting force of 34,000 mercenaries there are only at last estimate 4,000 local Ukrainians and the Russian FSB officer that kicked the whole thing off Strelkov aka Girkin often complained bitterly he could not get anyone to volunteer to fight for New Russia.

    Also notice how he nicely defines it as a civil war but ignores that it was a Russian FSB team that kicked everything off.

    Well worth the read as this is a good enough reason to fully understand UW and political warfare.

    BTW--EVEN US SF gets a mention.

    Be sure to check the author as he sits in a position of knowing about his own UW military doctrine and yet seemed to completely overlook it.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinio...id-about-russi...

    Nothing 'Hybrid' About Russia's War in Ukraine

    By Ruslan Pukhov
    May. 27 2015 00:00
    http://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/...itary-doctrine

    The devil is in the details. Information warfare in the light of Russia's military doctrine

    Point of View

    2015-05-19

    Jolanta Darczewska

    By highlighting informational threats and giving them a military dimension, the authors of the Russian Federation's military doctrine have outlined the concept of information warfare. It is a kind of combat conducted by both conventional and indirect methods, open and concealed, using military and civilian structures. It has two dimensions: broader ("non-nuclear containment", i.e. combat waged on various levels - political, economic, diplomatic, humanitarian, military) and narrower (as an element supporting of action).

    An analysis of these issues enables us to identify several rising trends over the period 2000-2014 in Russian security policy. These boil down to a blurring of the boundaries between internal and external threats, introducing non-military methods and organisational structures to armed combat, and conferring an ideological character on this combat. This leads to a blurring of the contours of inter-state conflicts, which allows Russia to take part in armed conflicts in which it is not officially a party.
    There is a great pdf attached to the link.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 05-27-2015 at 08:19 PM.

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