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    It's such a relief we have the Minsk2 ceasefire...do not hear any voices of Obama, Hollande and Merkel about the constant shellings and ground attacks being in direct violation of Minsk 2.

    Did hear the Russian FM state "that Russian has influence over her mercenaries" and I heard Putin state his "concern" for civilians--BUT below seems to run counter to what they are "saying"???? But what they always say is just Russian propaganda anyway and not worth listening to as they themselves do not believe what they are saying.

    Some "influence and concern".

    The NSDC of Ukraine reported for yesterday:
    3 KIA, 4 WIA, 2 POW.

    DPR commander 'Varyag' (Varangian) 1 Jun: "without #Mariupol, there is no Donetsk republic" https://vk.com/gvardiyadnr?w=wall-85052601_6639 … pic.twitter.com/n4sXYrAPSW

    Note, DPR cmdr 'Varyag' makes veiled threat to DPR politicians: they will be removed from power if they don't make more territorial gains.

    “DNR's" Zakharchenko threatens Minsk again, pledges to retake towns by force.
    http://goo.gl/tol6ye http://twitter.com/WBStevens/status/...3707136/photo/

    Ukrainian observers say Rus terrorists continue to use MLRS. Five such cases in May
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...79041&refid=17 … pic.twitter.com/EMhjA6ocEu

    Militants continue to use Grads - statement of JCCC http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-june-...tement-of-jccc … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/z5i3U02YFE via @ukrpravda_news

    #Russia|n soldiers fighting AGAINST #Putin visit RU POWs in #Ukraine hospital.Imagine reverse?https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5647117&type=1 … pic.twitter.com/YKCYiggiCp

    Watch our multimedia presentation of Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin's War in Ukraine http://ln.is/www.youtube.com/6HJhI … via @YouTube

    VIDEO #Putin created "DNR" "Militia"#Russia(n) Mercenaries from #Siberia #Shyrokyne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zKCCIvjtCI … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/feRP9OOsVE

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    Reference Russian "information conflict".

    The Russian television is manageable. From morning until late at night just propaganda channels. pic.twitter.com/2CBoXkBOT7

    Twitter botnet massfollowing the President of Estonia.
    pic.twitter.com/iwmuiUNE5j

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    US “spys” working in OSCE---US, UK and Polish mercenaries to include Arabs/IS fighting for the Ukraine—“fake” Russian AF SU-24 story about the USS Ross and the fake stories just keep on rolling—
    Ukrainian shellings against civilians, Ukrainian in countless violations of Minsk 2---BUT absolutely nothing about Russian violations????

    They keep talking about offensive (and working on it) while blaming Ukraine for not sticking to Minsk 2 deal. Two major Russian tank, APC and truck convoy’s arrived this week from Russia and the ground attacks just keep on rolling along.

    24 hrs before Minsk contact group meeting, Russian military maskirovka (deception) increases false blame on Ukraine. https://vk.com/gvardiyadnr?w=wall-85052601_6643

    Cache of weapons found in #Severodonetsk https://twitter.com/StopRussia2014/s...10603821842432

    Chechen police arrived to #Donetsk reg. to support terrorists #Putin's in #Ukraine: http://bit.ly/1M3rnA2 #Ukraina pic.twitter.com/YAA1LsTo7d

    Despite wearing "DPR" insignia, the "Republican Guard", we believe, are primarily Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) troopers and officers.

    PS. Statement by DPR commander callsign 'Varyag' is transmitted by "Republican Guard DPR" which in effect is a Russian Ground Forces unit.

    Russia high-ranked network trafficked weapons via Odessa & Mariupol maybe since USSR. Desperate now.

    Russian-backed insurgents continue using heavy weapons in Donetsk, Mariupol direction http://24today.net/open/427781 pic.twitter.com/vM4dJacWEr

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    Never knew the Russian FM placed any values what so ever on “ethnics”????

    Lavrov: Leakage of Russian blacklist in the media violates ethical norms http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-june-...media-violates … pic.twitter.com/c1Tr0VrMXF via @RT_russian

    SO since it was a Russian "blacklist" then Lavrov should be asking himself WHO in his office "leaked" the document as it did not come out of western news channels at first.

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    Important dates-----

    1st Minsk agreement "relatively" hold 05.09.2014 - 08.01.2015 - 126 days

    2nd agreement for now 110 days (since 12 Feb) or 100 days since fall of Debaltseve(21.02)

    So depending on the 12 Feb or 21 Feb dates were are X number of days away from another "total Minks failure".

    THEN the EU Russian sanctions decision on 26 Jun--if it extends the sanctions as is being pushed by Germany --- expect then a general mercenary/Russian troop offensive to begin shortly after 26 June.

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    Just what the blooming heck is the Russian FM talking about—he has now gone formally over the cliff of reality and has entered somewhere else but not in the realm of reality.

    #Lavrov: When they seized power and said that Russians must be driven from Crimea because they wouldn’t praise Bandera, the EU kept silent

    #Lavrov & @mfa_russia went full-retard:

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Everything depends on our partners and their ability not to hide the truth and not to pretend that they don’t know what’s going on

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: This opened the door to the coup, which was driven by ultra-nationalists, including those who used Nazi symbols

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: That agreement was trampled the very next day, and no one in the EU, including those ministers, said a word in its defence

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The EU did not honour the agreement signed by three #EU foreign ministers on February 21, 2014

    #Russia caught faking #MH17 satellite images is one reason @mfa_russia has gone into meltdown today, quoting #Lavrov https://twitter.com/CNBCWorld/status/605372381788573696

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    Russian shellings have started earlier than normal today--nothing yet from Obama, Hollande and Merkel concenring increased Russian shellings and ground attacks all in violation of Minsk 2.

    16:45 #Donetsk @funkermanjke Since 16:30 volleys started fr/Metro/airport dir'n, 'orcs arn't accurate, started at 4pm usu.'

    #Donetsk 16:55PM
    #Pisky-#Avdiivka heard explosions. Shoot at them like from Ekonomicheskiy, Putilovka, Yasinovataya https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/6

    #Donetsk 5:14PM
    Putilovka - sounds like both outgoing and incoming fire https://twitter.com/jackson_villi/st...76828392513536

    #Donetsk 17:02
    Airport - skirmish. https://twitter.com/idinmor/status/605373775652208641

    #Avdivka 17:20
    Hearing rumble from #Spartak https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...79375211679745

    #Avdiivka 5:23PM
    It sounds like the evening fun has started. Incoming fire in #Optyne-#Spartak area. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/605379215530323970

    Today in Shyrokyne, after a quiet morning, at 1pm Rus forces resumed shelling with 120-mm mortars - Sector "M" spox
    http://www.5.ua/ato-na-shodi/Boiovyk...yne-82386.html
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    Remember when the Russians "claimed their SU-24s" drove the USS Ross out of their territorial waters.--even made their mass propaganda press release media outlet RIA.

    Now the "truth"--notice not a single comment out of Russia about the "incident" they claimed occurred.

    USSRoss continued to conduct routine ops. Ross on routine patrol conducting naval ops with allies & partners in #BlackSea.

    Video of USS Ross interaction with Russian aircraft in the Black Sea pic.twitter.com/fHxYOrDrQH http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/1-june-...ssian-aircrafthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jno04l

    Russian "story"
    Russia’s state-run media agency RIA Novosti reported Saturday that the country’s navy scrambled Su-24 fighter jets when the American guided-missile destroyer USS Ross allegedly approached Russian territorial waters after departing port in Romania. It quoted an unnamed source as saying the ship’s crew was acting “provocatively and aggressively.”

    According to the report, the ship changed course after detecting the aircraft.

    US Naval truth
    U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa denied that account in its statement, saying the ship was operating in international waters and never altered operations. The release said the ship observed the Su-24 aircraft in routine operations but did not interact with them and that ship crewmembers acted professionally.

    Ross' Sailors observed that the SU 24 carried no weapons - wings were "clean."
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    A woman from the country of Georgia fighting for #Ukraine. Photo: Noah Brooks #Shyrokyne #Mariupol @Polk_Azov pic.twitter.com/KHZCLQrknR

    #Donetsk became e. #Ukraine's lawless city, in-which marauding 'militias' spread terror & fearhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...tias/27190647/ … pic.twitter.com/idlLofnzn0

    Colonel of RF Internal Troops vacationing in Rostov was murdered when visiting a stranger https://goo.gl/ozyBRh https://twitter.com/podrobnosti/stat...92823425355776

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    Col-Gen Shamanov: Russian VDV ready to act "anywhere in the world... we don't need a visa, we need only the order of the Supreme Commander".

    Source: http://www.military-informant.com/in...zrastayut.html … and ENG auto-translation https://translate.google.ie/translat...tml&edit-text=

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    Just a side comment--the Azov BN is an interesting development in the Ukraine--it began as a "volunteer unit" with limited weapons and little to no military experience or training and has developed into a rather elite fighting force which has been at the fore front of all the serious fighting and is feared by the Russian mercenaries--lately they have resisted massive shelling after shelling and have repealed ground attack after ground attack inflicting a high loss rate among Russian mercenaries.

    In some ways it is copying the US Ranger concepts in their recruitment and recruit training and have an espirit de corp rivaled even by US military units.

    A former Swedish elite sniper is behind their basic recruit training.

    If we look at say the lack of fighting abilities by the US trained Iraq Army --that does not fight for flag and country--Azov fights for flag and country and that alone has made the difference.

    http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1433162736

    ‘Azov Battalion’ Show Trial brewing in Russian-occupied Crimea

    01.06.15 | Halya Coynash

    версія для друку »
    Foul anti-Semitic graffiti that appeared within 24 hours of Russian soldiers seizing control in Simferopol. The emblem on the right is a mirror image of that normally used by Ukrainian nationalists

    Exactly one month after the arrest in Crimea was reported of an alleged member of the ‘Azov’ Battalion, the man remains unnamed, but the list of his supposed offences now includes an attack on a synagogue and on a mosque, as well as on the prosecutor’s office. Let’s hope the court learns his name since, according to Crimean Prosecutor Natalya Poklonskaya, this Mr ‘Azov fighter’ is facing a life sentence.

    The Azov Battalion has received a great deal of attention and negative comment over the last year due to the pronounced neo-Nazi views of at least some of its leaders, and its use of an inverted Wolfsangel. This is presumably why it seems to have replaced ‘Right Sector’ as the target for dubious prosecutions in Crimea under Russian occupation. Poklonskaya announced on May 29, for example, that criminal proceedings had been brought against Stanislav Krasnov whom she called a member of the “punitive Azov battalion”. Krasnov is in fact the commander of the ‘Crimea’ battalion, and was on Maidan with Oleksandr Kostenko. The latter was recently sentenced by a Crimean court to 4 years imprisonment over an alleged and unproven injury to a Berkut officer in Kyiv before Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Poklonskaya’s claim that Kostenko ‘confessed’ and gave testimony against Krasnov is almost certainly false.

    None of these inaccuracies make the claims regarding the person allegedly arrested on May 1 any more credible. The Azov Battalion immediately denied that any of its fighters had been detained in Crimea. It added that it does not fight civilians, nor does it have any branches or units in Crimea.

    This would surely have been the moment for the Prosecutor or Russian Centre for Countering Extremism to produce evidence and, at very least, name the man. Instead only further accusations have been made and the assertion that a life sentence is envisaged.

    Tragically, it seems likely that some individual is being held incommunicado and under the total control of ‘investigators’ whose task will be to extract ‘confessions’.

    The man was initially accused of an arson attack on a Simferopol mosque on June 13 and an attempted terrorist attack on the prosecutor’s office in August 2014 when a bag with explosives was found outside the building.

    Then on May 19, the deputy prime minister of the de facto government Ruslan Balbek claimed that this same unnamed individual had been planning provocation around the anniversary of the Deportation of the Crimean Tatar People on May 18. Balbek said then that the arrested man “has already confessed that he came here to organize provocation around May 18 in order to arouse a wave of disgruntlement among Crimean Tatars so that the world community received a ‘picture’ of how the Crimean Tatar people are suffering here.”

    Mr ‘Azov fighter’, according to the Crimean prosecutor and Centre for Fighting Extremism, certainly gets around. As well as finding time to fight in eastern Ukraine, and on top of charges linked with June and August 2014, and May 2015, he now appears to be accused of desecrating the Simferopol synagogue back in February 2014, the day after Russian soldiers seized control.

    Anatoly Gendin, head of the Crimean Association of Jewish Communities and Organizations has been informed that the Crimean prosecutor has appealed against the termination of the criminal investigation into the desecration of the Ner Tamid Synagogue and sent it for additional investigation. Gendin was told that a 20-year-old, arrested a month ago, is now suspected of the offence. Although he has also not been told the man’s name, the same person is allegedly an Azov fighter and is suspected of the above-mentioned arson attack and alleged terrorist plan. Vyacheslav Likhachev, researcher and long-time monitor of xenophobia and anti-Semitism, notes drily that the man would seem to have first desecrated the synagogue, set fire to the mosque and attempted a terrorist attack before, at the earliest in August last year, joining up with Azov and fighting, in order to then arrive back in Spring to await arrest.

    The Ner Tamid Synagogue was desecrated during the early hours of Feb 28, with the words ‘death to Jews’ (an offensive word is used) daubed in red paint on the door, as well as a swastika and a wolf’s hook. Likhachev notes that the image of the Wolfsangel was the mirror image of that used by Ukrainian nationalists such as those in the Azov battalion (who say that it represents ‘I’ and ‘N’ - Idea of the Nation). He points out that the anti-Semitic vandalism was actively used to discredit ‘Ukrainian nationalists’ with the term used to describe anybody asserted Ukrainian territorial integrity and therefore opposing Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea. In fact, however, the synagogue was desecrated within 24 hours of the seizure of control by Russian soldiers, at a time when to his knowledge, there were no organized Ukrainian radical nationalists active in Simferopol.

    The attack on the Chukurcha-Dzhami Mosque, when three Molotov cocktails were thrown at the building was recorded by a surveillance camera. The same assailant was probably responsible for a swastika daubed on the fence nearby, with the date 13.06.2014 and letters NS/WP (the letters for national socialism, white power).

    Worth noting that there have been a number of attacks on mosques over the last year, as well as cases of desecration of Crimean Tatar monuments. There is no evidence at all of the authorities trying to either stop them or properly investigate.

    Likhachev is surely correct in pointing out the clear parallel to the situation last year when four opponents of Russia’s annexation were arrested and charged with a ‘Right Sector terrorist plot’. They included renowned film director Oleg Sentsov and left-wing civic activist Oleksandr Kolchenko who both asserted they were tortured to force ‘confessions’. Unlike the other two men – Gennady Afanasyev and Oleksy Chirniy – Sentsov and Kolchenko have continued to deny the charges and are now facing sentences of up to 20 years imprisonment.

    There are serious grounds for fearing that a young man is being held in custody and being tortured into ‘confessing’ to various anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim offences in order to come up with a show trial, with ‘Ukrainian nationalists’ and especially the Azov battalion as the alleged villains.



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    Reference Russian Spetsnaz units in the Ukraine----


    #Kremlin's"Hunting":#Russia|n special service in #Donbas:Eliminate"rebel commanders":http://bit.ly/1eLlqMV pic.twitter.com/KptPdIX9sx

    In the interview video of the captured Spetsnaz CPT--one of his mission sets was the surveillance of what he referred to as the "resistance".

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    A good video on Putin's mind set from RFE/RL.

    RFE/RL ✔ @RFERL
    "Vladimir Putin's objectives in Ukraine have always been contradictory" -- @PowerVertical http://bit.ly/1JjePoq
    http://www.rferl.org/content/daily-v.../27047190.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian shellings have started earlier than normal today--nothing yet from Obama, Hollande and Merkel concenring increased Russian shellings and ground attacks all in violation of Minsk 2.

    16:45 #Donetsk @funkermanjke Since 16:30 volleys started fr/Metro/airport dir'n, 'orcs arn't accurate, started at 4pm usu.'

    #Donetsk 16:55PM
    #Pisky-#Avdiivka heard explosions. Shoot at them like from Ekonomicheskiy, Putilovka, Yasinovataya https://twitter.com/PVB40/status/6

    #Donetsk 5:14PM
    Putilovka - sounds like both outgoing and incoming fire https://twitter.com/jackson_villi/st...76828392513536

    #Donetsk 17:02
    Airport - skirmish. https://twitter.com/idinmor/status/605373775652208641

    #Avdivka 17:20
    Hearing rumble from #Spartak https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...79375211679745

    #Avdiivka 5:23PM
    It sounds like the evening fun has started. Incoming fire in #Optyne-#Spartak area. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/605379215530323970

    Today in Shyrokyne, after a quiet morning, at 1pm Rus forces resumed shelling with 120-mm mortars - Sector "M" spox
    http://www.5.ua/ato-na-shodi/Boiovyk...yne-82386.html
    7:24PM
    Krasnyi Pahar - terrible explosions! https://twitter.com/BylByleva/status/605409649458868224

    7:21PM
    Krasnyi Pahar very loud! House trembles in blast waves. https://twitter.com/old_dn/status/605408853363163137

    #Donetsk outgoing artillery fire can be heard in many districts now, and some incoming too

    #Donetsk 7:13PM
    Kirovskyi district - shooting https://twitter.com/ADivinorum/sta

    #Marinka 19:25 quiet.
    Hearing powerful rumble from #Donetsk. https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...10747666046976

    OSCE Witnesses Heavy Fighting Near Donetsk, In Shirokino. Another OSCE Drone Jammed http://bit.ly/1Jey3Nq pic.twitter.com/HyIonmb0UX

    #BreakingNews
    Multiple reports of heavy trade of artillery and tank fire between Pisky, Opytne, Spartak and Donetsk.
    Another Russian attack.


    Many reports of shelling #Donetsk fr/locations around Donetsk and within it, also intense shelling of Spartak-Opytne area

    Seems like there is heavy fighting in many districts of #Donetsk right now, mortars, tank and heavy MG fire. Black smoke over Tochmash plant


    #Donetsk 8:16PM
    Black smoke in Tochmash plant area https://twitter.com/brigida_ta/statu...22566442979328

    #Donetsk 8:07PM
    Putilovka - hearing incoming https://twitter.com/brigida_ta/statu...20348981542913

    #Donetsk 8:20PM
    In Putilovka-#Spartak area serious battle, incoming-outgoing, machine guns. https://twitter.com/98760333/status/605423805222121472

    #Donetsk 8:03PM
    Hearing explosions and salvos, Kirovskyi district https://twitter.com/ropogckou/status/605419513555894273

    #Donetsk 20:00
    The heavy guns joined from Tochmash, similar to the mortars from Putilovka bridge https://twitter.com/UkraineSuper1/st...19723828920320

    #Donetsk 20:05
    #Spartak-#Optyne area tank attack/battle, salvos-direct-fire. Artillery shelling fr Tochmash/airport https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/605421214367137795

    19:34
    15 Min ago there were incoming at #Pobeda. Dropped at the stadium and near the stalls. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...17951211204608
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-01-2015 at 05:42 PM.

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    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...gic-maskirovka

    June 1, 2015

    NATO: Countering Strategic Maskirovka

    By Julian Lindley-French, Canadian Defense and Foreign Affairs Institute

    What must NATO do to counter President Putin? Maskirovka is the traditional Russian use of military deception and Russia's seizure of Ukraine-Crimea and incursion into eastern Ukraine is just the beginning of a new multi-dimensional Russian challenge to NATO and the West. Moscow has established a new level of ambition – strategic Maskirovka – by which disinformation is applied against all levels of NATO's command chain and wider public opinion to keep the West politically and militarily off-balance.

    First, NATO's strongest military powers must demonstrate the will and the capacity to meet the Russian challenge. Second, NATO, an alliance of democracies, must re-establish itself at the core of a world-wide web of secure, mutually-reinforcing democracies anchored on the United States. Third, defence expenditure of all the NATO allies must move towards 2% GDP and quickly. Fourth, the Alliance must mean what it says. Strategic unity of effort and purpose is key to deterring Russia. Fifth, Europeans must take the lead in efforts to convince President Putin that Russia has nothing to gain from such an aggressive strategy.

    President Putin is an opportunist. He believes that the West is decadent and declining and that his use of strategic Maskirovka can keep the Allies sufficiently divided and politically offbalance to enable him to achieve his primary strategic objective: the creation of a new Russiancentric sphere of influence around Russia's borders and the ending of 'frozen conflicts' in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in Russia's favour. Putin also believes that whatever weapons systems NATO has at its disposal, Europeans are so weak and divided that little or no military action will ever be taken against him. Putin may be right and his gamble (for that is what it is) could pay off if the Alliance does not stand firm and act together....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    7:24PM
    Krasnyi Pahar - terrible explosions! https://twitter.com/BylByleva/status/605409649458868224

    7:21PM
    Krasnyi Pahar very loud! House trembles in blast waves. https://twitter.com/old_dn/status/605408853363163137

    #Donetsk outgoing artillery fire can be heard in many districts now, and some incoming too

    #Donetsk 7:13PM
    Kirovskyi district - shooting https://twitter.com/ADivinorum/sta

    #Marinka 19:25 quiet.
    Hearing powerful rumble from #Donetsk. https://twitter.com/hyeva_maryinka/s...10747666046976

    OSCE Witnesses Heavy Fighting Near Donetsk, In Shirokino. Another OSCE Drone Jammed http://bit.ly/1Jey3Nq pic.twitter.com/HyIonmb0UX

    #BreakingNews
    Multiple reports of heavy trade of artillery and tank fire between Pisky, Opytne, Spartak and Donetsk.
    Another Russian attack.


    Many reports of shelling #Donetsk fr/locations around Donetsk and within it, also intense shelling of Spartak-Opytne area

    Seems like there is heavy fighting in many districts of #Donetsk right now, mortars, tank and heavy MG fire. Black smoke over Tochmash plant


    #Donetsk 8:16PM
    Black smoke in Tochmash plant area https://twitter.com/brigida_ta/statu...22566442979328

    #Donetsk 8:07PM
    Putilovka - hearing incoming https://twitter.com/brigida_ta/statu...20348981542913

    #Donetsk 8:20PM
    In Putilovka-#Spartak area serious battle, incoming-outgoing, machine guns. https://twitter.com/98760333/status/605423805222121472

    #Donetsk 8:03PM
    Hearing explosions and salvos, Kirovskyi district https://twitter.com/ropogckou/status/605419513555894273

    #Donetsk 20:00
    The heavy guns joined from Tochmash, similar to the mortars from Putilovka bridge https://twitter.com/UkraineSuper1/st...19723828920320

    #Donetsk 20:05
    #Spartak-#Optyne area tank attack/battle, salvos-direct-fire. Artillery shelling fr Tochmash/airport https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/605421214367137795

    19:34
    15 Min ago there were incoming at #Pobeda. Dropped at the stadium and near the stalls. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...17951211204608

    #Donetsk 8:45PM
    Now shooting in the area of #Spartak / airport https://twitter.com/skolyada/status/605429870190075904

    19:01 #Luhansk @Edward_Lugansk At 18:30 there were distant massive rumbles, it is less 'green men' in the city today

    The #Ukraine City #Vuhlehirsk today, destroyed by #Russia|n artillery
    pic.twitter.com/CV0PGSnd9A

    #Mariupol once again can hear heavy rumble in the city center. Direction north-east. Outgoing from #Novoazovsk reported.

    #Mariupol @sir_T_Lawrence Incoming at #Shyrokyne are heard,no fire in reply yet

    #Avdiivka 20:10
    Normal batch, automatic guns, grenades and men shouting can be heard from the sports shop area https://twitter.com/audrius1977/stat...29157615542272

    20:04 #Makeevka Gvardeyka @vuiko65 Heavy volleys heard (position unclear), smoke over Putilovka, something on fire there

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    Former Adm. Jansson: Russians "preparing to put nuclear mines in Swedish locations likely to host NATO naval units"

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...y-shortcomings

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Just a side comment--the Azov BN is an interesting development in the Ukraine--it began as a "volunteer unit" with limited weapons and little to no military experience or training and has developed into a rather elite fighting force which has been at the fore front of all the serious fighting and is feared by the Russian mercenaries--lately they have resisted massive shelling after shelling and have repealed ground attack after ground attack inflicting a high loss rate among Russian mercenaries.

    In some ways it is copying the US Ranger concepts in their recruitment and recruit training and have an espirit de corp rivaled even by US military units.

    A former Swedish elite sniper is behind their basic recruit training.

    If we look at say the lack of fighting abilities by the US trained Iraq Army --that does not fight for flag and country--Azov fights for flag and country and that alone has made the difference.

    http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1433162736

    ‘Azov Battalion’ Show Trial brewing in Russian-occupied Crimea

    01.06.15 | Halya Coynash

    As a result of his injuries a warfighter from AZOV died today @Polk_Azov pic.twitter.com/Be35aMG8Hn

    The photo of this killed Azov fighter reflects their deep unit pride not seen in other Ukrainian BNs above it all they constantly stress they are Ukrainians fighting for the Ukraine.

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    Reference the shot down of MH17----

    Russian propaganda 4Ds dismiss, distract, distort, dismay --designed to create 2Ds ---distrust, doubt and this article is again which one?

    Russia's propaganda apparatus uses a discredited blogger from Russia's MoD to repeat alleged libel. Disturbing. https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...15659384762369


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150601/1022820260.html

    MH17 – Forensic Analysis of Satellite Images Bellingcat
    Exposed: Russian Blogger Cuts British Online Investigators Down to Size


    Europe
    18:55 01.06.2015(updated 19:20 01.06.2015)

    A well-known Russian blogger has debunked the so-called forensic analysis by British online investigative group Bellingcat of satellite photos of the downed MH17 flight released by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Russian blogger 'ntv' uncovered a number of obvious logical errors, exposing the incompetence of the amateur sleuths who accused the Russian Ministry of Defense of falsifying the imagery, based on irrelevant and insufficient evidence.

    For example, in their eagerness to find a 'smoking gun', the investigators jumped at the revelation that the photos were digitally modified using Adobe Photoshop CS5 software.

    The blogger however explains that the use of Adobe Photoshop CS5 software is the standard method for changing the size of the pictures and the ministry obviously used it for this very purpose and not, in fact, to modify the actual imagery.

    Russian blogger 'ntv' uncovered a number of obvious logical errors, exposing the incompetence of the amateur sleuths who accused the Russian Ministry of Defense of falsifying the imagery, based on irrelevant and insufficient evidence.

    Russian blogger 'ntv' uncovered a number of obvious logical errors, exposing the incompetence of the amateur sleuths who accused the Russian Ministry of Defense of falsifying the imagery, based on irrelevant and insufficient evidence.

    The blogger went even further and uploaded a random photo from the Bellingcat website onto the website used by the group for analysis, only to find out that it had also been artfully edited in Adobe Photoshop.

    The blogger also debunks the Error Level Analysis (ELA) of the imagery that Bellingcat claimed was so significant.

    The ELA for Picture 4 shows five areas with significantly different error levels

    ELA identifies areas within an image that are set to different compression levels. With JPEG images, the entire picture should be at roughly the same level. If a section of the image is at a significantly different error level, then it likely indicates a digital modification.

    The investigators claim they revealed five areas with significantly different error levels which clearly indicated a digital modification. The blogger however proves that this type of analysis is also insufficient by analyzing knowingly unedited photos yet finding the exact same result.


    The blogger however proves that this type of analysis is also insufficient by analyzing knowingly unedited photos yet finding the exact same result.

    The blogger however proves that this type of analysis is also insufficient by analyzing knowingly unedited photos yet finding the exact same result.

    The blogger goes further and rips into Bellingcat's argument based on the chronology of the photos, and in so doing finds it harder and harder to hide his disbelief at the crude level of incompetence contained in the Bellingcat report.

    And now it is worth mentioning looking at Bellingcat itself in a little more detail.

    The blogger goes further and rips into Bellingcat's argument based on the chronology of the photos, and in so doing finds it harder and harder to hide his disbelief at the crude level of incompetence contained in the Bellingcat report.

    The blogger goes further and rips into Bellingcat's argument based on the chronology of the photos, and in so doing finds it harder and harder to hide his disbelief at the crude level of incompetence contained in the Bellingcat report.

    Bellingcat was started on 15th July 2014, funded by a Kickstarter campaign, just 2 days before the MH17 tragedy by British journalist and blogger Eliot Higgins, also known as Brown Moses.

    In the blogger community he is well-known “for having, through incompetence or design, passed on, passed off, incorrect MH17 information”, according to The Truth Speaker website.

    The blogger, the website claims, “has a long track record for selling his 'citizen journalist reports' to anyone willing to pay.”

    Back in 2013, before the war in Donbass, Eliot was covering the war in Syria, despite either speaking the language, or ever having been there, as is the case with Ukraine/Donbass.

    The website notes that he covered Syria, and covers Donbass as a ‘citizen blogger’, analyzing video evidence, despite admitting to having no expertise in the sphere: "before the Arab spring I knew no more about weapons than the average Xbox owner. I had no knowledge beyond what I’d learned from Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rambo," Higgins apparently claimed.
    NOTICE--bellingcat and Atlantic Council made a clear decision to release the analysis of the fake Russian MoD satellite photos in Russian.

    At first the Russian propaganda machine did not respond to their analysis but when the Russian report made it back into Russia --THEN Russian counter propaganda kicked in.


    Google Earth trick proves Russia lied about the passenger plane shot down in eastern Ukraine http://buff.ly/1KygdSG pic.twitter.com/iPlyoGx5aO

    MANTRA from Russian trolls--the work was not checked by any experts---response--Jane's checked every piece of analysis that was conducted.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-01-2015 at 06:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference the shot down of MH17----

    Russian propaganda 4Ds dismiss, distract, distort, dismay --designed to create 2Ds ---distrust, doubt and this article is again which one?

    Russia's propaganda apparatus uses a discredited blogger from Russia's MoD to repeat alleged libel. Disturbing. https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...15659384762369


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150601/1022820260.html

    MH17 – Forensic Analysis of Satellite Images Bellingcat
    Exposed: Russian Blogger Cuts British Online Investigators Down to Size


    Europe
    18:55 01.06.2015(updated 19:20 01.06.2015)



    NOTICE--bellingcat and Atlantic Council made a clear decision to release the analysis of the fake Russian MoD satellite photos in Russian.

    At first the Russian propaganda machine did not respond to their analysis but when the Russian report made it back into Russia --THEN Russian counter propaganda kicked in.


    Google Earth trick proves Russia lied about the passenger plane shot down in eastern Ukraine http://buff.ly/1KygdSG pic.twitter.com/iPlyoGx5aO

    MANTRA from Russian trolls--the work was not checked by any experts---response--Jane's checked every piece of analysis that was conducted.
    bellingcat challenge to the Russian MoD-----

    We'll be shortly be starting a crowdfunding campaign to buy sat imagery from July 17th of the site Russia faked imagery of. #MH17

    Maybe the Russian MoD should have let dead cats lay----once the original sat photos are available wonder what the next defense will be.

    The sat photos will cost 1200 USD and a crowd funding request went out to social media--response----

    bellingcat @bellingcat

    Past the halfway mark already after just 20 minutes, thanks all for your help! http://www.gofundme.com/bellingcatsat
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-01-2015 at 07:34 PM.

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