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    Not one for second guessing Congress but there has been a valid complaint out of the Ukraine that many Americans have utterly no understanding of what is ongoing in the Ukraine.

    The Azov BN has been literally on the forefront of fighting in the defense of the Ukraine and has taken loses in killed and wounded in doing exactly that—defending the Ukraine.

    Maybe sometimes Congressmen should get out of Dc and truly see the reality of war—then they might have a totally different approach to international relations.

    BTW—it was not a MANPAD that shot down MH17—it was a hardcore air defense missile as a MANPAD could not have reached the height that MH17 was flying at.
    Not wanting to critique either Reuters and WaPo—both have not have a great track record in reporting in the Ukraine.

    Wonder out loud if the Congressman has decided to also pass any amendments targeting Russia for their support in providing heavy weapons and money to Russian Nazi groups who are in the Ukraine killing both Ukrainian soldiers and civilians---noticed he said nothing about that did he?????

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces

    WASHINGTON— Late yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 2685, the “Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2015.” During consideration of the legislation, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Congressman Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) offered bipartisan amendments to block the training of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary militia “Azov Battalion,” and to prevent the transfer of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles—otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS)—to Iraq or Ukraine.

    “If there’s one simple lesson we can take away from US involvement in conflicts overseas, it’s this: Beware of unintended consequences. As was made vividly clear with U.S. involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion decades ago, overzealous military assistance or the hyper-weaponization of conflicts can have destabilizing consequences and ultimately undercut our own national interests,” said Rep. John Conyers. “I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.”

    Ukraine’s Azov Battalion is a 1,000-man volunteer militia of the Ukrainian National Guard that Foreign Policy Magazine has characterized as “openly neo-Nazi,” and “fascist.” Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who oversees Ukraine’s armed militias, announced that Azov troops would be among the first units to be trained by the Pentagon in Operation Fearless Guardian, prompting significant international concern.

    Since their initial use on a battlefield in 1978, MANPAD attacks have resulted in nearly 1,000 civilian deaths.

    Added Conyers, “Both U.S. and Israeli officials have feared that these weapons could be used by terrorists to bring down commercial jets. As the boundaries are increasingly blurred between insurgents fighting the Syrian government and those fighting the Iraqi government, providing additional arms could further destabilize the Middle East. The same can be said for Ukraine, where an anti-aircraft missile allegedly downed Flight MH17 last September, killing 298 civilians. The possibility that MANPADS—or any weapon—could fall into the hands of radical groups in Iraq, Syria, or Ukraine, would unquestionably increase the already-devastating human toll in both of these volatile regions.”

    According to Reuters, The Azov battalion originated from a paramilitary national socialist group called "Patriot of Ukraine", which propagated slogans of white supremacy, racial purity, the need for authoritarian power and a centralized national economy. Azov’s controversial founder, Andriy Biletsky, organized the neo-Nazi group the Social-National Assembly (SNA) in 2008.

    “The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites,” wrote The Telegraph. Since Azov was enrolled as a regiment of Ukraine's National Guard in September and started receiving increased supplies of heavy arms, however, Biletsky has toned down his rhetoric, Reuters reported. According to the Washington Post, battalion members “could potentially strike pro-Russian targets on their own — or even turn on the [Ukrainian] government” if it pursues a diplomatic resolution to the conflict.
    CAN anyone explain to me just why the Azov BN would turn on the same government that they have paid dearly in defending ---in the face of daily massive artillery shellings and ground attacks for now over three months in Mariupol???

    Noticed the Congressman seems to have forgotten that OR maybe it was because Reuters and WaPo did not write about it???

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    22:08 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Incoming in Yuzhna coalmine direction,[by sound] landings in series (4 hits) on various sites

    #Russian|n-backed terrorists use children with arms at checkpoints in eastern #Ukraine http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine.../27067390.html … pic.twitter.com/w6OUHKegwi

    youtube.com/watch?v=xvMnY0NVA-A … Spare the ATGM & spoil those spoil tip-wise #Russian spotters. #Maryinka #Марьинка #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/1xobkMgSfP

    22:07 #Horlivka @eco127127 Loud rumble

    #Ukraine loses money but stops delivering essential components for #Russia'n #space industry http://24today.net/open/439322 pic.twitter.com/3TKhpkt9Vm

    #Pervomaysk, June11, 'cossack' base @GirkinGirkin (48°37'35"N 38°31'45"E) pic.twitter.com/XbPEiyoscN

    #Russia's war costs #Ukraine $5 million to $7 million per day—a price Ukraine cannot afford http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...-think-it-does … pic.twitter.com/YxgZDnoQwc

    NOTICE----estimated Russian daily costs are in the range of 25-40M USDs per day—and this has been now ongoing for over a year –say an average of 30M per day for a month is 900M USDs –so approximately 11-12B USDs.

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    Shellings are both massive and intense this evening---

    22:30 #Horlivka @pravy63 Mortar, exactly - significant bomb hiss

    22:30 @annetfray Horrible fly-over sound above one's house

    22:28 #Dzerzhynsk @dimetros7776 Massive landings in all dir'ns #Mayorsk,#Shumy,Yuzhna mine.Flashes everywhere.Fire show began

    22:15 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Now in #Shumy: single heavy explosions,in pauses one can hear
    distant [rumbles]

    20:22 #Debaltseve @Debaltsevo_UA "Mayhem approx in NW fr/us"

    10:22pm
    #Artemivsk loud! https://twitter.com/DivchinaZ/status/609078284236804096

    #Russia propagandist #Fiblips claims #Ukraine shells #Horlivka... but funny that the #OSCE only found "rebels" with artillery around there.

    10:15PM #Dzerzhynsk
    Now towards #Shumy powerful single explosions, hear them in thr distance during breaks. https://twitter.com/blessmaster/stat...76521672806401

    22:08 #Horlivka @DobryShubin Arty works
    @pravy63 Like fr/Bessarabka

    22:20 #Dzerzhynsk @blessmaster Both incoming & outgoing

    BREAKING: Volleys of artillery in Horlivka

    22:08 #Horlivka @_John__Carter_ 88th block: volleys [like in 5th block] and explosions [in 88th block] in 4 sec

    22:19 #Svitlodarsk @hu_svetlodarsk Incoming on all horizon in S/SE fr/Svirlodarsk,not many for now
    22:21 UKR reply w/1 SPG

    22:14 #Horlivka @xy_gorlov4an Volleys in [cinnabarite] pit direction. And in some other place unclear volleys or explosions

    90th Battalion reports Ukraine forces destroyed militants ammunition near Donetsk airport after returning fire
    http://m.censor.net.ua/news/339761/u...kogo_aeroporta

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Three Russian Planes Intercepted Over The Baltic Sea
    http://www.defence24.com/232861,thre...the-baltic-sea … pic.twitter.com/UPC6Icz3D3

    Meanwhile in the trenches in #Mariupol, #Ukraine still needs to defend itself and its territory from #Russia. https://twitter.com/vorobyov/status/608973772096417792

    #russian railways, state transport moves vehicles and personnel to East #Ukraine https://youtu.be/O3HumKg55t4

    #News
    Children - boys and girls - are among those, manning the "DNR" positions in #Shyrokyne


    Russian Foreign Ministry Blasts State Department After US 'Gentle Poke' Over Violations of INF Treaty http://bit.ly/1f57WvV

    Overnight shelling in Luhansk sparks fears of a full-blown conflict - watch on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/politics/overnight...ct-437196.html

    Peskov: Russia to reciprocate if G7 toughens sanctions http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ns-390823.html

    Terrorists shell Shyrokyne with large-caliber mortars banned by Misnk agreements. VIDEO http://en.censor.net.ua/n339533

    Russian Foreign Ministry Blasts State Department After US 'Gentle Poke' Over Violations of INF Treaty

    Lavrov:"US anti-missile shield in Romania and Poland is a violation of the INF treaty" http://www.mediafax.ro/externe/rusia...i-inf-14441641

    NOTE: anti missile defense is not forbidden in the INF and the Russian FM knows this so he is basically lying.

    Russia is in full violation with their long distance nuclear cruise missile they got caught on and are simply using the Russian propaganda Ds---distract, distort/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukraine+#Germany+#France reject #Russia's attempt to include leaders "LNR/LNR" in negotiations @ #Normandy meeting https://www.facebook.com/i.army.org/...59518244347108
    While the Russian mercenaries claim they still want to remain part of the Ukraine and submit their proposals--THEN this comes out in a Russian press release.

    The cat out of the bag: DNR and LC expressed their desire to join the Russian Federation. https://goo.gl/1EnPHl pic.twitter.com/oIvWB5wylL

    There was on a previous "Russian aid convoy" a single short tweet about one of the "aid" trucks had been carrying Russian annexation ballots similar to those done in the Crimea--but then the tweet never gained traction but it was strange to see the comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not one for second guessing Congress but there has been a valid complaint out of the Ukraine that many Americans have utterly no understanding of what is ongoing in the Ukraine.

    The Azov BN has been literally on the forefront of fighting in the defense of the Ukraine and has taken loses in killed and wounded in doing exactly that—defending the Ukraine.

    Maybe sometimes Congressmen should get out of Dc and truly see the reality of war—then they might have a totally different approach to international relations.

    BTW—it was not a MANPAD that shot down MH17—it was a hardcore air defense missile as a MANPAD could not have reached the height that MH17 was flying at.
    Not wanting to critique either Reuters and WaPo—both have not have a great track record in reporting in the Ukraine.

    Wonder out loud if the Congressman has decided to also pass any amendments targeting Russia for their support in providing heavy weapons and money to Russian Nazi groups who are in the Ukraine killing both Ukrainian soldiers and civilians---noticed he said nothing about that did he?????

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces



    CAN anyone explain to me just why the Azov BN would turn on the same government that they have paid dearly in defending ---in the face of daily massive artillery shellings and ground attacks for now over three months in Mariupol???

    Noticed the Congressman seems to have forgotten that OR maybe it was because Reuters and WaPo did not write about it???
    The good Congressman should ask himself if he is actually being used by the Russian info war side of the house--does he realize that this particular volunteer BN and many others like them literally carried the entire year's worth of fighting with the Russian Army, secondly does he not fully understand that part of the list of shellings just from last night and this morning are being directed against those BNs on a hourly and daily basis and thirdly does he really understand that the Russian mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine are being manned by "so called volunteers--actually pad 600 USDs monthly to kill Ukrainians ARE in fact from eight different Russian Nazi groups--verified by open source social media--he does not even have to read reuthers of WaPo.

    DOES the good Congressman also fully understand that the Russian info war side is using the internet and advertising within the US for funding for theses Russian mercenaries???

    DOES he fully understand that a number of former US Senators are taking large sums of money for their PR support of Russia from Russian oligarchs.

    The good Congressman should do due diligence before he releases into the world what he did yesterday AND then ask himself "am I being played and if so for who"??

    #Donetsk 7:32AM
    Volleys https://twitter.com/BylByleva_/statu...16369423478784

    #Donetsk 7:16
    "Proletarsky ds - morning started again with heavy equipment working, like Godzilla walking" https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...13249960157184

    #Shakhtarsk 7:00AM
    3x Strela-10 and 3x MT-LB from east towards #Donetsk https://twitter.com/Helgi__UA/status/609212142269648896

    Large fire in Ukr controlled side of frontline. Ocheretyne, north of avdiivka. Seems like a gas mains has been hit. pic.twitter.com/6CmBeGulCX

    #Avdiivka 7:23AM
    view towards the quarry and Konstantinovskaya road direction https://twitter.com/BylByleva_/statu...14369478610945

    #Donetsk 6:34AM
    Proletarsky district - 2 loud shots at 6:18 and 6:21, sound unusual. https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...02192516562944

    #Donetsk 6:39AM
    Proletarsky ds - heard distant single volleys at 6:25 and 6:36 https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...03383782776833

    #Donetsk 6:32AM
    Shchetinina - heard distant shots:
    5:01 - 1 round,
    5:05 - 3 rounds,
    5:07 - 2 rounds. https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...01611135651840

    #Avdiivka 6:20AM
    Fr the roof of a shed visible 50m high pillar of fire, Konstantinovskaya road. Gas station on fire? https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...00684106252288

    #Donetsk 5:06AM
    Proletarka hears volleys https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/609196648489713664

    #Donetsk 6:06AM
    Kalinovka - morning began w powerful single outgoing, like howitzer.
    Smwh Pastukhovka/Kalinina heaps https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/609194990619766784

    #Donetsk 5:35AM
    "Artillery battery fr #Yakovlevka continues to fire, even 5-6 barrels. Hey Staff, let's shoot back" https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/609188162615820288

    #Horlivka 4:59AM
    Volleys towards #Svetlodarsk https://twitter.com/Xykalinovka/stat...78220852838400

    #Debaltsevo 5:10AM
    Fall quite close to the city, now calmed down. https://twitter.com/samotniyvovk/sta...81053555712000

    #Yasinuvataya 6:30AM
    Shooting from #Donetsk gradually moves to Skotovataya, near the road is pipeline lit. https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...02503209463808

    #Donetsk 6:49AM
    To north moderate intensity battle. https://twitter.com/Buzzing_Rook/sta...05879666294784

    #Donetsk 6:24AM
    From Rechnaya smoke column visible over the city https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/609207746274193408

    #Donetsk 6:48
    Proletarsky ds - hearing far heavy artillery working, series of volleys https://twitter.com/DoneckiiPatriot/...05929066799104

    Something big is on fire in #Novobakhmutovka. A giant column of fire and smoke can be seen as far as #Donetsk pic.twitter.com/JHjMwgDjPt

    #Donetsk 6:25AM
    Two powerful volleys in northwest. https://twitter.com/BylByleva_/statu...02597686329344

    @Guderian_Xaba "Gas pipe at quarry broke (in shelling)"

    Two explosions in #Odesa | УКРІНФОРМ http://www.ukrinform.ua/ukr/news/v_o...vibuhi_2062958

    View from #Avdiivka now.
    https://twitter.com/owl_ok/status/609208325373329408

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not one for second guessing Congress but there has been a valid complaint out of the Ukraine that many Americans have utterly no understanding of what is ongoing in the Ukraine.

    The Azov BN has been literally on the forefront of fighting in the defense of the Ukraine and has taken loses in killed and wounded in doing exactly that—defending the Ukraine.

    Maybe sometimes Congressmen should get out of Dc and truly see the reality of war—then they might have a totally different approach to international relations.

    BTW—it was not a MANPAD that shot down MH17—it was a hardcore air defense missile as a MANPAD could not have reached the height that MH17 was flying at.
    Not wanting to critique either Reuters and WaPo—both have not have a great track record in reporting in the Ukraine.

    Wonder out loud if the Congressman has decided to also pass any amendments targeting Russia for their support in providing heavy weapons and money to Russian Nazi groups who are in the Ukraine killing both Ukrainian soldiers and civilians---noticed he said nothing about that did he?????

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces



    CAN anyone explain to me just why the Azov BN would turn on the same government that they have paid dearly in defending ---in the face of daily massive artillery shellings and ground attacks for now over three months in Mariupol???

    Noticed the Congressman seems to have forgotten that OR maybe it was because Reuters and WaPo did not write about it???
    The good Congressman needs to read the NYT's as well------

    #NYTimes : more than a dozen groups have used social media to raise funds for #pro-Russia separatists http://nyti.ms/1HuyeTe #Ukraine

    He would have read in those NYTs articles over the last year that a number of Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian Muslims are fighting together in that same "so called "Nazi BN" AND he would have also read had he been paying attention to the Maidan that this "so called Nazi BN" was deep into supporting the fighting at the Maidan and that Ukrainians on the whole have a far different opinion of this BN than he does.

    He would have also if he has been paying attention to the Russian propaganda seen that what he authored is virtually the same accusations that Russian propaganda says about the same unit.

    As an American I highly recommend the good Congressman get out of DC and into the real world of Central Europe--it might in fact widen his own biases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Not one for second guessing Congress but there has been a valid complaint out of the Ukraine that many Americans have utterly no understanding of what is ongoing in the Ukraine.

    The Azov BN has been literally on the forefront of fighting in the defense of the Ukraine and has taken loses in killed and wounded in doing exactly that—defending the Ukraine.

    Maybe sometimes Congressmen should get out of Dc and truly see the reality of war—then they might have a totally different approach to international relations.

    BTW—it was not a MANPAD that shot down MH17—it was a hardcore air defense missile as a MANPAD could not have reached the height that MH17 was flying at.
    Not wanting to critique either Reuters and WaPo—both have not have a great track record in reporting in the Ukraine.

    Wonder out loud if the Congressman has decided to also pass any amendments targeting Russia for their support in providing heavy weapons and money to Russian Nazi groups who are in the Ukraine killing both Ukrainian soldiers and civilians---noticed he said nothing about that did he?????

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces



    CAN anyone explain to me just why the Azov BN would turn on the same government that they have paid dearly in defending ---in the face of daily massive artillery shellings and ground attacks for now over three months in Mariupol???

    Noticed the Congressman seems to have forgotten that OR maybe it was because Reuters and WaPo did not write about it???
    If the good Congressman traveled to Central Europe for a day--he would discover that this is just a standard cross section of a day in the life of the Ukraine---and worrying about a "so called Nazi BN" getting shelled and ground attacked daily near Mariupol in the defense of the Ukraine might not seem to be a big deal as he seems to want to make it out to be.

    Looking at the night feed seems like russian agitrop will have an amazing day today. heck...

    Relativity much shelling in and around #Donetsk reported this morning

    OSCE monitors see "underage children" with arms at militant roadblock in Shyrokyne
    http://www.unian.info/war/1088401-os...shyrokyne.html … pic.twitter.com/CrlltIJzp5

    The continuous Russian shelling of Ukrainian villages and cities does not generate as much civilian deaths as in 2014. Most people are gone

    VIDEO: I asked Senators supporting US dependence on #Russian rocket engines: "Why are you helping Vladimir Putin?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FelH...ature=youtu.be

    When even RFERL refers to the war in #Ukraine as "the separatist conflict in Ukraine", you've lost the info war https://twitter.com/rferl/status/609186385560350720

    #Shyrokyno https://twitter.com/BylByleva_/statu...25028467560448

    #Horlivka - video with massive fire column visible in Novobakhmutovka direction after gas pipeline hit https://youtu.be/Qv5-l0hrNpY

    The war in eastern Ukraine is a Kremlin-manufactured conflict." #PutinAtWar Learn more: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/publi...ov-s-putin-war

    #Donetsk
    Proletarsky, Kyivsky districts - from 4.30AM powerful outgoing. Unclear where it flies. https://twitter.com/KalinaiMalina/st...16839873335296

    Russian fighter jet shadowed US plane, coming within 10 ft over intl waters in Black Sea on May 30. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/11/po...sea/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    If the good Congressman traveled to Central Europe for a day--he would discover that this is just a standard cross section of a day in the life of the Ukraine---and worrying about a "so called Nazi BN" getting shelled and ground attacked daily near Mariupol in the defense of the Ukraine might not seem to be a big deal as he seems to want to make it out to be.

    Looking at the night feed seems like russian agitrop will have an amazing day today. heck...

    Relativity much shelling in and around #Donetsk reported this morning

    OSCE monitors see "underage children" with arms at militant roadblock in Shyrokyne
    http://www.unian.info/war/1088401-os...shyrokyne.html … pic.twitter.com/CrlltIJzp5

    The continuous Russian shelling of Ukrainian villages and cities does not generate as much civilian deaths as in 2014. Most people are gone

    VIDEO: I asked Senators supporting US dependence on #Russian rocket engines: "Why are you helping Vladimir Putin?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FelH...ature=youtu.be

    When even RFERL refers to the war in #Ukraine as "the separatist conflict in Ukraine", you've lost the info war https://twitter.com/rferl/status/609186385560350720

    #Shyrokyno https://twitter.com/BylByleva_/statu...25028467560448

    #Horlivka - video with massive fire column visible in Novobakhmutovka direction after gas pipeline hit https://youtu.be/Qv5-l0hrNpY

    The war in eastern Ukraine is a Kremlin-manufactured conflict." #PutinAtWar Learn more: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/publi...ov-s-putin-war

    #Donetsk
    Proletarsky, Kyivsky districts - from 4.30AM powerful outgoing. Unclear where it flies. https://twitter.com/KalinaiMalina/st...16839873335296

    Russian fighter jet shadowed US plane, coming within 10 ft over intl waters in Black Sea on May 30. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/11/po...sea/index.html

    John Conyers ✔ @repjohnconyers
    House passed my amendment to prohibit assistance to Azov Battalion—a far-right white supremacist militia at front lines of Ukraine conflict


    This is just how little he understands the volunteer BNs that sprung up after the Maidan--it appears from the article that wow 1000 neo Nazi's being viewed as a potential threat to the Ukrainian government WHEN in fact under Ukrainian military tables of organization volunteer BNs cannot get heavy weapons and armor if they do not reach a certain size--here is an example--recently Azov was being shelled by 122mm and 152mm artillery and 120mm mortar fire and all they could return fire with was 82mm mortars due simply to not having reached the required unit strength.

    He also seems to not realize that in the past six months any member of Azov that has shown any inclination towards a Nazi display on anything is literally thrown out of the unit. Noticed nothing about that in the reuthers or WaPo articles he references.

    Had he fully understood just how the volunteer BNs were formed, how they were armed and how they fought in the early days of 2014 against Russians troops--just maybe this Congressman might hold a different view--but this is what we get when professional politicians never seem to get out of DC.

    BTW--he would have also learned that all the volunteer BNs suffered heavy loses in the early days of fighting simply because they were not well armed as they were not part of the Ukrainian MoD or MoI.

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    Another day another Russian shelling and ground attack series---started rather earlier than normal today--was intense in some areas less so in others.

    Must be due to how much ammo has arrived as there is always a basic load coming in with the so called "aid convoys" to include fuel for their tanks and APCs.

    Moskal says four Ukrainian soldiers injured in fighting near Krymske http://24today.net/open/440108 pic.twitter.com/cy3iaZzxty

    Ten Ukrainian soldiers wounded in the last 24 hour period-none killed.

    Terrorists opened fire 30 times overnight using tanks and artillery, - ATO press center http://24today.net/open/440115

    ATO: Militants fire tank shells on Avdiyivka and Vodiane overnight
    http://www.unian.info/war/1088572-at...overnight.html … pic.twitter.com/t683tVNKS8

    #Horlivka
    Another round of the showdown started outside the city https://twitter.com/Olga_kievljanka/...81352903606272

    11.30 Mariinka, enemy fire weakened, no losses on us, keeping positions. the spirit is high. https://twitter.com/UaForces/status/609284136814166016

    The militants blew up a railway track on the stretch of Popasna- Roty in the Luhansk region pic.twitter.com/IHhTGQUXun http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-june...on-the-stretch

    The terrorists shelled with tanks near Mariynka http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-june...s-near-marinka

    Gas supply for #Mariupol and #Berdyansk stopped because of attack by militants of the pipeline pic.twitter.com/k9PTIWldqb http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-june...topped-because

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    Russia ready to defend the rights of the Northern Kazakhstan Russian-speakers
    http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/kazak...ls-like-these/

    Actually Putin threatened to do exactly this in a press conference months ago with Russian students where he by the way even stated the view that Kazakhstan is not even a nation as such--whatever that meant.

    MI-8 in Medivac Artemivsk 11.06.2015 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-june...ivsk-11062015- … pic.twitter.com/oRPXIkPOFk via @banderenko

    Two powerful explosions hit Odesa overnight
    http://www.unian.info/society/108856...overnight.html … pic.twitter.com/XdPaW6jdFn

    Do take some time today to read AP's Volodya Isachenkov on the Armata tank: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a58c4...botic-vehicles … and http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d0121...tion-what-cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    John Conyers ✔ @repjohnconyers
    House passed my amendment to prohibit assistance to Azov Battalion—a far-right white supremacist militia at front lines of Ukraine conflict


    This is just how little he understands the volunteer BNs that sprung up after the Maidan--it appears from the article that wow 1000 neo Nazi's being viewed as a potential threat to the Ukrainian government WHEN in fact under Ukrainian military tables of organization volunteer BNs cannot get heavy weapons and armor if they do not reach a certain size--here is an example--recently Azov was being shelled by 122mm and 152mm artillery and 120mm mortar fire and all they could return fire with was 82mm mortars due simply to not having reached the required unit strength.

    He also seems to not realize that in the past six months any member of Azov that has shown any inclination towards a Nazi display on anything is literally thrown out of the unit. Noticed nothing about that in the reuthers or WaPo articles he references.

    Had he fully understood just how the volunteer BNs were formed, how they were armed and how they fought in the early days of 2014 against Russians troops--just maybe this Congressman might hold a different view--but this is what we get when professional politicians never seem to get out of DC.

    BTW--he would have also learned that all the volunteer BNs suffered heavy loses in the early days of fighting simply because they were not well armed as they were not part of the Ukrainian MoD or MoI.
    Seems that now European especially Ukrainian social media has picked up on his Congressman's comments --he should get ready for some harsh critique.

    He waded literally into a mine field simply because he never travels outside the US especially to Central or Eastern Europe--would behoove him to get out of DC more often.

    Especially since two former US Republican Senators are making great USDs as lobbyists for providing Russian PR anti sanctions support--that includes as well also one former US FBI Chief.

    Putin has loyal (paid?) friends within #USA #HouseOfRepresentatives. The enemy within... https://twitter.com/repjohnconyers/s...81664107229184

    Is US Congressman @repjohnconyers a "Secret Ivan", a Putinophile, a KGB lickspittle? Sure looks like it. https://twitter.com/repjohnconyers/s...81664107229184

    youtube.com/watch?v=L_RRjfR527s … Earth to Congress! #Russia's neo-#Nazi 'legend' #Milchakov in #Ukraine.Interviewed by his GF. pic.twitter.com/dyc8SK26pP

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    Russia claims attack on Russian Consulate in Kharkiv, calls it provocation and demands immediate measures from Ukr
    http://tass.ru/en/world/800447

    Russia kills over 6,000 people in Ukraine and annexes its territory, unleashes terrorism, and complains about paint thrown at consulate.

    VIDEO Russians will keep shelling #Shyrokyne until there is no building left. For now they mainly hit beach and sea.
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    Q: Why do we not yet see more attacks like the one on Marinka?
    A: Because it was a big failure. Russian Hybrid Army in UA not ready yet.

    SELFIE VIDEO of Russian militants before their attack on Marinka June 3rd
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    Pathetic Putin in Italy. Russia's media didn't report that Pope told Putin to leave Kyiv & Ukraine alone. https://twitter.com/Victor_Trunov/st...93179800338432

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    #DNR Nazi Milchakov with Russian AT-4 SPIGOT ATGM (9К111 Fagot) in the background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_RRjfR527s … #Donetsk pic.twitter.com/8nKvN2qE9s

    VIDEO Russian SAU hits Ukrainian position. One guy seem to be thrown out of window by blast.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RyNHcmqmM … pic.twitter.com/0K08HEqCSa

    As always Russian Propaganda is blaming Ukraine for what they themselves are doing: mobile crematorium to hide deaths pic.twitter.com/C6rTCplGHK

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    John Conyers ✔ @repjohnconyers
    House passed my amendment to prohibit assistance to Azov Battalion—a far-right white supremacist militia at front lines of Ukraine conflict


    This is just how little he understands the volunteer BNs that sprung up after the Maidan--it appears from the article that wow 1000 neo Nazi's being viewed as a potential threat to the Ukrainian government WHEN in fact under Ukrainian military tables of organization volunteer BNs cannot get heavy weapons and armor if they do not reach a certain size--here is an example--recently Azov was being shelled by 122mm and 152mm artillery and 120mm mortar fire and all they could return fire with was 82mm mortars due simply to not having reached the required unit strength.

    He also seems to not realize that in the past six months any member of Azov that has shown any inclination towards a Nazi display on anything is literally thrown out of the unit. Noticed nothing about that in the reuthers or WaPo articles he references.

    Had he fully understood just how the volunteer BNs were formed, how they were armed and how they fought in the early days of 2014 against Russians troops--just maybe this Congressman might hold a different view--but this is what we get when professional politicians never seem to get out of DC.

    BTW--he would have also learned that all the volunteer BNs suffered heavy loses in the early days of fighting simply because they were not well armed as they were not part of the Ukrainian MoD or MoI.
    The Congressman must understand and I believe he really does not understand that there are thousands of Russian Nazi's in six different Nazi fighting groups currently fighting in the Ukraine all with the intent of defeating the Ukrainian army--and roughly 1000 Ukrainian Azov troops fighting to keep that from happening.

    Right now it is really strange that a US Congressman does not have the necessary information before doing what he did as an amendment to a Defense Spending Bill.

    #DNR Nazi Milchakov with Russian AT-4 SPIGOT ATGM (9К111 Fagot) in the background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_RRjfR527s … #Donetsk pic.twitter.com/8nKvN2qE9s

    If the good Congressman had been tracking social media on the Ukraine he would have picked up on the Russian Nazi's fighting inside the Russian Army and the comparisons to the Ukrainian Azov BN.

    Nazis are the core of Russia's Hybrid Army in Ukraine

    It has been long known that individual nazis are operating within Russia's Hybrid Army in Ukraine.
    Recently arrested and self-proclaimed "People's Governor of Donetsk" Paul Gubarev is one of them.

    Another well-known example is sadist 'puppy-killer' mercenary Alexey Milchakov.

    Recently a disturbing photo-album has been published on the VK-page of Gennadiy Dubovoy.
    Dubovoy seems to be a mercenary since the beginning. His VK-page starts in 2013, long before the war, but when the preparations of ' Donetsk Peoples Republic' were already ongoing, He has been in the Mariupol-clashes, in the battle of Slavyansk, Motorola's wedding and many other crucial events.

    There are thousands of photos on his albums on VK and he seems to try to record all main events of his group.
    https://vk.com/id205292010?z=photo20...16213559%2Frev

    The mentioned album shows some kind of Nazi ritual for their battle group. You can find the essential photos of this album here. The photos themselves tell the story.

    Here you can see Alexey and the other guy attending the Far-right/Nazi conference in St. Petersburg last year.

    This very long video (likely taken by Dubovoy) contains unique battle footage from Slavyansk and is dedicated to the 300 'steel men' that held the front in Semenovka, the key position to Slavyansk and Donbas that was the area of fiercest battles.

    Dubovoy is one of these 'steel men' as well as war-criminal Motorola.

    Conclusion
    What we have here is a veteran group of Russian Nazis who fight in Ukraine, who form a battle group, train other soldiers and perform some Nazi, or even satanic? ritual. They seem to have some priest, who reads from a Nazi-book in an ancient slavic language. They perform the Nazi-sign all the time, make vows, kiss bread and burn the bread. They are performing this ritual openly, publish the photos on internet for everybody to see. Yulia is an FSB-agent. She is a presenter of ANNA-News.

    In other words: the elite fighting group of the Russian Hybrid Army in Ukraine consists of hardcore Nazis. They are known for their very brutal fighting and killings of Ukrainians posting selfies with just killed soldiers. See this blog for instance.

    This is very different from the Azov-nazi-individuals. As could be read in the blog about them, Azov immediately took care of those individuals when they crossed the line.

    In Russia's army the nazis structurally and openly belong to the core and they train others.
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    Ukraine Military Spokesman: "They Are Trying To Find Weak Spots In Our Defense. They Failed"
    13:59 (GMT)

    The National Security and Defense Council briefing today warned of widespread fighting today. Below is the map provided by the NSDC. Note that there is reported fighting across the entire front. Also, June 3rd's fighting in Marinka captured headlines, but notice how much fighting is occurring both on the northern front but also on the road between Donetsk and Mariupol, a cite where the OSCE continues to spot the movement of heavy armor within the DNR.

    Several things Lysenko mentioned were interesting. Specifically he warned that the Russian-backed fighters were shelling areas around Gorlovka, and he had reports that civilians have died. This area has been heavily shelled for several weeks now, and yesterday the separatist leadership accused Ukraine of firing the shells.

    Earlier this week the last border crossing between Ukrainian and separatist-held territory in this area was closed:

    Lysenko also warned that the areas around Donetsk Airport, Mariupol, and west northwest of Telmanove were being attacked by a "stubborn enemy."

    Lysenko also said that the Russian-backed "terrorists" were conducting attacks across a "broad area up to the Russian border."

    "They are trying to find weak spots in our defense. They failed."

    As we reported earlier, Lysenko says 10 soldiers have been injured in the last 24 hours.

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    Attacks on the Ukrainian positions have now reached 60 per day--when 60-65 are ongoing you have now reached the fighting levels of Feb 2015.

    Today, RU forces shelled UKR positions and civilian areas about 60 times. Used Mortars, tanks, howitzers - ATO
    https://m.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/1012357062108433

    Shellings are now being extended to include critical Ukrainian infrastructure.


    Luhanske, Majorska, Lozove & Zolote were also shelled from artillery & mortars - ATO press center

    Ukr positions were shelled near Pisky, Opytne, Mariinka & Novomykhailivka. Residential areas of Avdiivka and Vodyane also shelled

    Rus terrorists shelling residential area in Avdiivka pic.twitter.com/MtzV4hlKec http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/12-june...ea-in-avdiivka

    Gas, Rail And Water Infrastructure Targeted By Shelling http://bit.ly/1IzHeVI pic.twitter.com/IQzUNtGcls
    interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-480-civilian-casualties-and-dramatic-pipeline-fire-after-shelling-in-the-donetsk-area/#8804 …

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    #UkraineNewsAlert Russian-backed Terrorists Destroy Critical Infrastructure #StopRussianAggression pic.twitter.com/au0JAWbkSC
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    Russian-Made Uniforms Aid Separatists http://www.rferl.org/media/video/rus.../27066665.html

    “Iskander-M” missile system to appear in Russian Ulan-Ude 103rd missile brigade
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    Ukraine observers also recorded movement of two Tor-M2 surface to air missile systems in the area of Shakhtars'k

    Ukraine observers report militants have massed significant amount of Armored vehicles in the area of Telmanove
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    #Donetsk continues to surprise. No munitions factory, but always fresh tank ammunition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9-E_mA_rAY … pic.twitter.com/whJZW27sGL

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    John Conyers ✔ @repjohnconyers
    House passed my amendment to prohibit assistance to Azov Battalion—a far-right white supremacist militia at front lines of Ukraine conflict


    This is just how little he understands the volunteer BNs that sprung up after the Maidan--it appears from the article that wow 1000 neo Nazi's being viewed as a potential threat to the Ukrainian government WHEN in fact under Ukrainian military tables of organization volunteer BNs cannot get heavy weapons and armor if they do not reach a certain size--here is an example--recently Azov was being shelled by 122mm and 152mm artillery and 120mm mortar fire and all they could return fire with was 82mm mortars due simply to not having reached the required unit strength.

    He also seems to not realize that in the past six months any member of Azov that has shown any inclination towards a Nazi display on anything is literally thrown out of the unit. Noticed nothing about that in the reuthers or WaPo articles he references.

    Had he fully understood just how the volunteer BNs were formed, how they were armed and how they fought in the early days of 2014 against Russians troops--just maybe this Congressman might hold a different view--but this is what we get when professional politicians never seem to get out of DC.

    BTW--he would have also learned that all the volunteer BNs suffered heavy loses in the early days of fighting simply because they were not well armed as they were not part of the Ukrainian MoD or MoI.
    Social media comment from someone within the Azov BN today after hearing what the good Congressman was supporting. And this someone is not a Nazi and is being shelled and attacked daily by Russian troops as he defends Mariupol.

    Most @Polk_Azov fighters Russian-speaking, many Donbas locals. Defend their homes, Ukraine. Don't give a flying toss for far-right ideology.

    Another pointed this out for the Congressman as well---

    @Polk_Azov symbol is used in Germany, stop mil asst to GER. pic.twitter.com/lCWKa7qfLE
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    Let is never forget that Russia itself declined to participate in the negotiations for the Eastern EU partnership."
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    Polish President: Russia disputes Ukraine`s border, undermines global order http://www.unian.info/politics/10888...bal-order.html

    After increased movement of Rus equipment near Telmanove, Ukr forces will take all measures in case of an offensive on Hranitne - Gen. Taran

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    Coffins, convoys, "cargo 200": Checkpoint monitoring points to #Russia aggression in #Ukraine: http://1.usa.gov/1IMK908 pic.twitter.com/Z7rottMUl0

    Popasna-Roty railway which was blown up around 02:00 this morning caused by explosive charges
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