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    BBC News - Russian nationalist thinker #Dugin sees war with Ukraine

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28229785

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bs8waxYE0chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zEjJ8vqUr4 … Infighting in #Russia-held #Luhansk, #Ukraine: #Plotnitsky blamed for warlord Bednov's death

    Basically they are talking about the versions how their leader was killed.-It was Huge ambush with heavy machine guns
    3 BTR's,ambushers used fougasse.There are different versions.After event MP came to the Batman base.Thats rough translation

    #BreakingFootage
    Russian invaders in #Luhansk declare war on each other.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_j2PbWEVTc
    Translation needed.
    pic.twitter.com/a5y6Sj6Y5t

    #BreakingPictures
    GRAPHIC WARNING 21!
    Aftermath of Russian-Russian fighting in #Luhansk oblast.
    LC won this one vs. Novorossiya.
    pic.twitter.com/nyNQ0K9k89
    What is interesting is though the use of fougasse in a complex ambush has all the markings of a guerrilla attack. Why--- the Russian GRU units have themobaric rocket launchers and would not resort to a mixed fuel.

    Russian extremist channel deplores "murder of Batman".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-yw9gwFCz8
    What does it say?! It was the Americans?!

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    Another open source take on a plastic part found at the MH17 BUK launch site.

    Power of Internet community amazes me each and every day. Someone found out logo on piece of plastic
    http://bit.ly/1BrUKWX

    in June separatists seized the plastic factory that uses logo of plastic found at Buk launch site
    http://news.sever-strasti.com/2014/06/26/sep

    Looks a lot like this Steklo Plastik logo on the piece of plastic. See @bellingcat Checkdesk:
    https://bellingcat.checkdesk.org/en/node/144
    pic.twitter.com/t5Yru0kiHI

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    Russian tanks on the move in Luhansk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/3-janua...ve-in--luhanskhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_9jOO_CuBI … #UkraineWar pic.twitter.com/MmRCq5d0e8

    Novonarnia is over, says Russian Borodai and Bezler, ex-leader/commander in East-Ukraine
    http://en.censor.net.ua/n318821

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    Explanation of mercenary infighting ------

    Abuse, torture revealed at separatists' prison in Luhansk

    Jan. 3, 2015, 6:33 p.m. | Ukraine — by Nataliya Trach

    Pro-Russian militants fire their Kalachnikov asssault rifles near an tank taken from Ukrainian forces during fighting in August, as they test fire in an open field, in the eastern Ukrainian town of Ilovaisk, some 40 kms east of Donetsk, on Nov. 18, 2014.

    In what could be a sign of intensifying infighting between various groups of Russian-backed separatists operating in the east of Ukraine, authorities of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) said they liquidated an "illegal" prison in Luhansk on Jan. 2, shedding light on inhuman treatment of its inmates.

    The rapid reaction force “Batman,” military unit, consisting of local pro-Russian rebels and Russian militants, managed the illegal prison, located in a basement of the rebel-captured building, which kept 20 prisoners that were subject to regular torture.

    “If a prisoner resisted he was beaten by a plastic pipe,” Aleksey Dakhnenko, the deputy head of the illegal prison and member of the Batman military unit, says in a video interview, posted on YouTube. The head of the prison, known by his nickname Maniac, used a hammer to torture prisoners, he adds.

    “Maniac was known for his cruelty. According to rumors he had a surgery toolkit, a set of field surgeon, which he had always laid out in front of detainees to scare them. In such a way he tried to get some testimony out of prisoners,” Dakhnenko says.

    Video interview with Aleksey Dakhnenko, deputy head of an illegal prison in Luhansk, in which he confesses his prisoners were tortured.

    Russian-backed insurgent forces in eastern Ukraine are arbitrarily detaining civilians and subjecting them to torture, degrading treatment, and forced labor. They also have detained civilians for use as hostages, says the August report by the New York-based watchdog Human Right Watch.

    “Pro-Russian insurgents are regularly committing horrendous crimes,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “There are solid grounds to be seriously concerned about the safety and well-being of anyone held by insurgent forces in eastern Ukraine.”

    Prior to detaining some members of the Batman group their leader Alexander Bednov, who has a nickname Batman, was killed along with his six bodyguards on Jan. 1 near Luhansk. The Batman group on their page in Vkontakte social network accused Igor Plotnitsky, leader of the self-proclaimed LPR, of killing Bednov. “The mean hand of Plotnitsky killed one of the most authoritative commanders who defended Lugansk and its inhabitants,” is written on the Batman Vkontakte group on Jan.1. Plotnitsky could not be immediately reached for comment.

    Popular Ukrainian blogger Denis Kazanskiy, who comes from Donetsk and has extensively written on local Donbas politics, believes the killing is a sign of infighting between Plotnitsky and other militant groups. The Plotnitsky group “with the help of Russian troops started actively exterminating competing gangs” in an attempt to consolidate power in the region, Kazansky wrote in his blog on Jan. 2.

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    Novonarnia is over, says Russian Borodai and Bezler, ex-leader/commander in East-Ukraine
    http://en.censor.net.ua/n318821[/QUOTE]

    In context with this above comment the following is an extremely interesting development to say the least---question is? --is Russia now preparing via their own troops to annex eastern Ukraine or turn it into a true "frozen enclave"?

    AND why is Strelkov aka Girkin in fact still alive and basically preaching against Putin or is he being used to order all Russian mercenaries home if so---why? Remember from his previous comments in the last weeks he even alluded to the mercenary BUK shot down of MH17 and he indicated as a FSB officer he started the mercenary takeover of eastern Ukraine six months ago.

    RU commander Strelkov urged mercenaries to return to Russia after murder of another RU commander "Batman by RU forces
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1420244888

    Russian-Backed Militant Leaders Claim His Torture Dungeon Reason for Execution of Batman
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-day-320/#6046
    pic.twitter.com/E9jTeOi6w9
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-03-2015 at 06:01 PM.

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    Natonal Guard arrived at Odessa
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/3-janua...ived-at-odessa
    pic.twitter.com/ivwFowa9co

    Terrorists attacked Ukrainian positions 9 times today, including new terminal and control tower at Donetsk airport
    https://m.facebook.com/ato.news?

    Seems like Russia is attempting to get back to business as usual and sidestep anything on the Ukraine:Russia calls for EU talks with newly born #EurasianUnion, says that #EAEU is a better partner for #EU than the #US
    http://euobserver.com/economic/127081

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    Statement of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine on repeated shellings by illegal armed formations

    Yesterday, 20:34

    Recently, the number of shellings and provocations by the illegal armed groups in Donbass has increased substantially. Just today, thirteen instances of such shellings have taken place around the towns of Debaltseve, Hnytove, Novohryhorivka, Troitske, Chornyhine, Mayorsk, Krymske, as well as the Donetsk airport. Of particular concern is that the militants again resumed using the BM-21 “Grad” multiple launch rocket systems, artillery and mortars.

    Such provocations by the Russia-backed illegal armed groups show that nothing is sacred for them – even in the days before the joyous holiday of Christmas they are continuing to bring death and devastation to the Ukrainian land.

    We consider these actions as deliberate violations of the Minsk agreements and an attempt to jeopardize the efforts being undertaken today by Ukraine and its international partners for the implementation of the Peace Plan of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

    #Donetsk live feed is back now. Of course with audible shelling.

    30 shellings today only and on the increase just before Ukrainian Christmas and New Years celebrated by the old...
    http://fb.me/6X9QB8GQs
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-03-2015 at 06:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The "altered state of reality" has now hit the Russian mercenaries especially around the shot down of MH17---the DNR leader "claims" to have personally seen an Ukrainian SU25 shot down the aircraft at the height of 10kms---great eye sigh one must say.

    6 mos after fact, separatist leader claims to be witness to Ukraine downing MH17. And I have a bridge to sell you.
    http://uatoday.tv/news/kremlin-backe...17-399664.html

    Nobody has seen any planes landing or loading or unloading, but Zakharchenko thinks NATO is landing in UA airports
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1962899.html

    Donbas insurgent leader claims personally witnessing Ukrainian aircraft shooting down #MH17
    http://uatoday.tv/news/kremlin-backe...17-399664.html … pic.twitter.com/dXNmRZFOJM

    So leader of RU-backed militants says 1) reason airports closed in Ukraine is NATO is landing 2) he saw MH17 shoot-down by UA planes at 10kms.
    Here comes another Russian MH17 myth--will be interesting to see if western media picks it up unchecked:

    Notice it came this time out of Germany:

    Another #MH17 conspy: 'Pilots autopsy results withheld because it reveals they were killed by fighter jet cannon.'
    http://www.luftpost-kl.de/luftpost-a...215_040115.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Novonarnia is over, says Russian Borodai and Bezler, ex-leader/commander in East-Ukraine
    http://en.censor.net.ua/n318821
    In context with this above comment the following is an extremely interesting development to say the least---question is? --is Russia now preparing via their own troops to annex eastern Ukraine or turn it into a true "frozen enclave"?

    AND why is Strelkov aka Girkin in fact still alive and basically preaching against Putin or is he being used to order all Russian mercenaries home if so---why? Remember from his previous comments in the last weeks he even alluded to the mercenary BUK shot down of MH17 and he indicated as a FSB officer he started the mercenary takeover of eastern Ukraine six months ago.

    RU commander Strelkov urged mercenaries to return to Russia after murder of another RU commander "Batman by RU forces
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1420244888

    Russian-Backed Militant Leaders Claim His Torture Dungeon Reason for Execution of Batman
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-day-320/#6046
    pic.twitter.com/E9jTeOi6w9[/QUOTE]

    Even more on this topic:

    #BreakingNews
    Russian terrorist #Girkin to other invasion troops: "Leave Donbas! Other options will be bloody, senseless+have a tragic end."

    Source: unruly Russian warlords forced Russia to deploy more of its regular army in Ukraine & reason why Strelkov told mercenaries to leave

    Obvs, situ may have changed from mid Oct & Bednov's elimination.
    But it does show GRU 'Maskirovka' is in full play here.
    Smoke & mirrors..

    He warns them of the LC and DNR- NOT of the Ukrainian army!! ...

    #Russia|n GRU disinfo alert!
    Turns out Bednov took control of #Luhansk Police function in Oct!
    http://youtu.be/Wbmh_KKOBH4?t=3m54s
    pic.twitter.com/FuPgzzKPtp

    Is "Givi" on Moscow's hit list? .. after Bednov's GRU unit "Rusich" were killed by ANOTHER #Russia|n #GRU unit HF3179
    pic.twitter.com/Cvz6Yd6O

    After infamous Batman's killing, Strelkov tells seps to follow his example and quit. http://tvrain.ru/articles/igor_strel...rimeru-380218/ … pic.twitter.com/bKZ932ISrc

    Remember, Bednov had a showdown Oct 8th at #Luhansk admin trying register for elections. Shot fired at 1:06
    http://youtu.be/eaEuy26KYG0?t=14s

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    Cargo-200"new lists of dead #Russia|n military in #Donbas in #Ukraine,in #ATO #Ukraina killed more than 4K troops RF
    pic.twitter.com/z8HXBZU0yz

    Russia deploys its modern BPM-97s to Ukraine (which doesn't have any). The pretend we're not invading phase is ending
    pic.twitter.com/MwvUomfWTm

    #Ukraine reports more Russian troops pouring across border http://uatoday.tv/politics/ukraine-r...er-400921.html … pic.twitter.com/0GCqzw9pbp

    #Russia terrorists intensified attacks & use BM-21 "GRAD" to sabotage Minsk Agreem`t http://bit.ly/177QDWT
    pic.twitter.com/WT2MaXQHOG

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    More open source analysis-----

    Did Russia Send a New Batch of Military Vehicles to Separatists Controlled Ukraine?

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...olled-ukraine/

    More guerrilla activity---------

    #Ukraine partisans in Novoazovsk brought in a "DNR" terrorist to the Security Services in #Mariupol
    pic.twitter.com/NofsOD2lDO
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-03-2015 at 09:38 PM.

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    Find it interesting that in a Defense News article the author is basically pro Russian/Putin and even picks up the same line of arguments from Putin.

    How a writer uses his words makes it info war or not and should pick his or her words extremely carefully otherwise one might get the feeling he or she works for RT.

    For Moscow, the Cold War has already started. It began when the US and EU supported a rebellion against a democratically elected government of Ukraine on the sole ground that the government chose a pro-Russian foreign policy.

    Notice the use of the word image---does not a "democratically" elected leader ask and or submit his moves towards Russia for approval by the same electorate that elected him? But wait did not his very own Party of Regions actually vote to throw him out--writer forgot to mention that simple fact so how could it be a "rebellion"?

    Notice the words "rebellion and sole ground"---seems to overlook the drive for rule of law and good governance by a population and the massive Soviet style corruption that was rampart under that "democratically" elected individual.

    OR is the stealing away in the middle of the night with over 24Kilos of gold bars and millions of USDs what "democratically" election officials normally due these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Find it interesting that in a Defense News article the author is basically pro Russian/Putin and even picks up the same line of arguments from Putin.

    How a writer uses his words makes it info war or not and should pick his or her words extremely carefully otherwise one might get the feeling he or she works for RT.

    For Moscow, the Cold War has already started. It began when the US and EU supported a rebellion against a democratically elected government of Ukraine on the sole ground that the government chose a pro-Russian foreign policy.

    Notice the use of the word image---does not a "democratically" elected leader ask and or submit his moves towards Russia for approval by the same electorate that elected him? But wait did not his very own Party of Regions actually vote to throw him out--writer forgot to mention that simple fact so how could it be a "rebellion"?

    Notice the words "rebellion and sole ground"---seems to overlook the drive for rule of law and good governance by a population and the massive Soviet style corruption that was rampart under that "democratically" elected individual.

    OR is the stealing away in the middle of the night with over 24Kilos of gold bars and millions of USDs what "democratically" election officials normally due these days?
    Maybe Defense News should fact check their contributing writers for a "reality check" otherwise one as a media outlet tends to get the tag that you are supporting the current Russian info war efforts.

    After my initial comments the same thoughts occurred in a NYTs article from today that basically shoot the Defense News writer in the foot---when he uses the terms "rebellion and sole ground".

    Excellent account of the fall of Yanukovych by @AndrewKramerNYT. Basically abandoned by police and political allies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/wo...sted.html?_r=0

    Nice @nytimes piece on #Yanukovych's last hours in power. #Ukraine Leader Was Defeated Even Before He Was Ousted

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    In context with this above comment the following is an extremely interesting development to say the least---question is? --is Russia now preparing via their own troops to annex eastern Ukraine or turn it into a true "frozen enclave"?

    AND why is Strelkov aka Girkin in fact still alive and basically preaching against Putin or is he being used to order all Russian mercenaries home if so---why? Remember from his previous comments in the last weeks he even alluded to the mercenary BUK shot down of MH17 and he indicated as a FSB officer he started the mercenary takeover of eastern Ukraine six months ago.

    RU commander Strelkov urged mercenaries to return to Russia after murder of another RU commander "Batman by RU forces
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1420244888

    Russian-Backed Militant Leaders Claim His Torture Dungeon Reason for Execution of Batman
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-day-320/#6046
    pic.twitter.com/E9jTeOi6w9
    Even more on this topic:

    #BreakingNews
    Russian terrorist #Girkin to other invasion troops: "Leave Donbas! Other options will be bloody, senseless+have a tragic end."

    Source: unruly Russian warlords forced Russia to deploy more of its regular army in Ukraine & reason why Strelkov told mercenaries to leave

    Obvs, situ may have changed from mid Oct & Bednov's elimination.
    But it does show GRU 'Maskirovka' is in full play here.
    Smoke & mirrors..

    He warns them of the LC and DNR- NOT of the Ukrainian army!! ...

    #Russia|n GRU disinfo alert!
    Turns out Bednov took control of #Luhansk Police function in Oct!
    http://youtu.be/Wbmh_KKOBH4?t=3m54s
    pic.twitter.com/FuPgzzKPtp

    Is "Givi" on Moscow's hit list? .. after Bednov's GRU unit "Rusich" were killed by ANOTHER #Russia|n #GRU unit HF3179
    pic.twitter.com/Cvz6Yd6O

    After infamous Batman's killing, Strelkov tells seps to follow his example and quit. http://tvrain.ru/articles/igor_strel...rimeru-380218/ … pic.twitter.com/bKZ932ISrc

    Remember, Bednov had a showdown Oct 8th at #Luhansk admin trying register for elections. Shot fired at 1:06
    http://youtu.be/eaEuy26KYG0?t=14s …[/QUOTE]

    The revolution is now eating it's own children:

    Note Milchakov discounts Vagner hit-man theory, but says GRU from RF. Note other versions.
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1972757.html
    pic.twitter.com/Baud4mgYie

    .@DajeyPetros picture of Kiselyev, LNR commander with new Russian tanks is here:
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1972757.html also critique of Milchakov there

    #Headlines from #Donbas this morning:
    - Mutliple reports of #Russian reinforcements to all frontlines
    - Many reports of Rus-Rus infighting.

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    Even more Russian mercenary/Russian troop infighting:

    'Dogeater' Milchakov now fighting against.LNR leadership (AND Ukrainians) http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/19005
    pic.twitter.com/E1goME55yx

    In Donetsk Russian irregulars are fighting against each other http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/01/4/7054118/ … …

    Fullest Vagner post https://vk.com/wall-67424773_88443?reply=88535 … saying he's col, commander counter-terrorism in Dagestan, former MVD
    pic.twitter.com/Hua6eTtO8D

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    Belarus is not even safe from the Putin Doctrine and there are even Russian troops stationed inside Belarus--so the recent continuous not so subtle threats made by Putin and company towards Belarus might in fact have a hidden agenda--ie annexation of Belarus.

    #Belarus president #Lukashenko now knows #Putin is preparing a coup to get rid of him an annex Belarus to #Russia:

    http://belarusdigest.com/story/russi...GsAjLU.twitter


    Expected development as Belarus now has turned fascist (= shown pro-Western tendencies). Putin is clearly nervous.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-04-2015 at 11:44 AM.

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    Enemy recently fired at Ukr near Hranitne-Telmanove, reinforces its 1st line positions
    https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymc...15528271909165 … pic.twitter.com/tKulVytC9L

    #BreakingNews
    Russian troops are INSIDE #Stanitsia_Luhanska and attack Ukrainian positions with heavy machine guns. - gov. Moskal


    More "local Separatists" in Antratsyt/Luhansk Oblast
    pic.twitter.com/Y8Gccb05T6

    Injured Ukr citizens in #Russian hospitals as stated by Rus human rights defender r militants of illegal armed groups -Polevyi presser

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    Another Russian NATO expansion myth destroyed:

    What a difference 13 years makes: Putin in 2002 on the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO

    pic.twitter.com/SHoTg5DJZs

    Taken from:

    The Strongman: Vladimir Putin and the Struggle for Russia

    By Amazon @amazon

    Russia under Vladimir Putin has proved a prickly partner for the West, a far cry from the democracy many hoped for when the Soviet Union collapsed. Angus Roxburgh...
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-04-2015 at 12:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Even more Russian mercenary/Russian troop infighting:

    'Dogeater' Milchakov now fighting against.LNR leadership (AND Ukrainians) http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/19005
    pic.twitter.com/E1goME55yx

    In Donetsk Russian irregulars are fighting against each other http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/01/4/7054118/ … …

    Fullest Vagner post https://vk.com/wall-67424773_88443?reply=88535 … saying he's col, commander counter-terrorism in Dagestan, former MVD
    pic.twitter.com/Hua6eTtO8D
    Even more infighting---

    The NSDC: In the battle between militants of "LNR" and "Cossacks" killed at least 23

    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/4-janua...litants-of-lnr

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