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    Post Stalingrad---the fight at the Donetsk airport is taking on epic contours in the use of defensive vs offensive ops. Stalingrad went only 155 days this is well into the 230 range.

    Interesting that a rag tag group of volunteers and a few regular UA have defeated just about everything including Russian elite SF/GRU troops killing in the process a major Russian SF General and yet they still hang on.

    Maybe the Iraqi Army could learn something from them---fighting for a flag and country sometimes does wonders when you are the definitive underdog.

    Nonstop heavy artillery shelling can be heard at #Donetsk live cam for HOURS now! Endless outgoing fire and explosions.

    "Cyborgs" to Ukrainians: We are not going to retreat http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-janu...ing-to-retreat
    pic.twitter.com/c9ZvwEv5jg

    Confront continues In Donetsk #airport. The militants have asked to stop the fight
    NOTE: usually to recover wounded and killed and there were many today on their side of the fight.

    More footage from the same day.
    Mostly #Right_Sector troops.
    Where is the #Ukrainain_Army?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXMr2q9oBM
    pic.twitter.com/AcYF7f1NX8

    Impressive #footage
    Cyborgs defending the #Donetsk #airport #radar station, 11 days ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS518akTja0
    pic.twitter.com/9Heky1bIUG

    Cyborgs from #Belarus raise national flag in #Pisky and help #Ukraine troops defend #Donetsk airport
    pic.twitter.com/Fucbz3CXUO

    Heavy fighting continues in Donetsk airport, UA forces try to block RU fire & make safe corridor for evacuation of wounded from new terminal

    #BreakingFootage
    Cyborgs are still holed up in some basement section of the new terminal, vowing to stay.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRxblXfyJBo

    Ukrainian forces have destroyed terrorists' tank in Donetsk Airport
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/cyborgs-s...es-403033.html … p
    pic.twitter.com/UIfvgYt3Kh

    #Footage
    Russian BM-21 #Grad convoy moves towards offensive positions in #Donetsk city.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFjMxRyHh0
    pic.twitter.com/foxLrAC5BT
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    Alleged sexual slavery of women aged 17-22 held by Russian-backed forces in #Luhansk #Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Post Stalingrad---the fight at the Donetsk airport is taking on epic contours in the use of defensive vs offensive ops. Stalingrad went only 155 days this is well into the 230 range.

    Interesting that a rag tag group of volunteers and a few regular UA have defeated just about everything including Russian elite SF/GRU troops killing in the process a major Russian SF General and yet they still hang on.

    Maybe the Iraqi Army could learn something from them---fighting for a flag and country sometimes does wonders when you are the definitive underdog.

    Nonstop heavy artillery shelling can be heard at #Donetsk live cam for HOURS now! Endless outgoing fire and explosions.

    "Cyborgs" to Ukrainians: We are not going to retreat http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-janu...ing-to-retreat
    pic.twitter.com/c9ZvwEv5jg

    Confront continues In Donetsk #airport. The militants have asked to stop the fight
    NOTE: usually to recover wounded and killed and there were many today on their side of the fight.

    More footage from the same day.
    Mostly #Right_Sector troops.
    Where is the #Ukrainain_Army?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlXMr2q9oBM
    pic.twitter.com/AcYF7f1NX8

    Impressive #footage
    Cyborgs defending the #Donetsk #airport #radar station, 11 days ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS518akTja0
    pic.twitter.com/9Heky1bIUG

    Cyborgs from #Belarus raise national flag in #Pisky and help #Ukraine troops defend #Donetsk airport
    pic.twitter.com/Fucbz3CXUO

    Heavy fighting continues in Donetsk airport, UA forces try to block RU fire & make safe corridor for evacuation of wounded from new terminal

    #BreakingFootage
    Cyborgs are still holed up in some basement section of the new terminal, vowing to stay.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRxblXfyJBo

    Ukrainian forces have destroyed terrorists' tank in Donetsk Airport
    http://uatoday.tv/politics/cyborgs-s...es-403033.html … p
    pic.twitter.com/UIfvgYt3Kh

    #Footage
    Russian BM-21 #Grad convoy moves towards offensive positions in #Donetsk city.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFjMxRyHh0
    pic.twitter.com/foxLrAC5BT
    Well forget about shelling reduced..back on in full force. #Donetsk

    Fighting around #Donetsk airport moves to the west.
    Massive MLRS volleys hit #Pisky and #Vesele, visible on the cam.


    Donetsk airport: w/powerful artillery support enemy's forces have been destroyed, enemy suffered heavy losses
    Militants' infantry refuses to come as reinforcement to the #Donetsk airport, enemy's tank was destroyed
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...0640127&type=1
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    Ukrainians are tracking opponents in open sources and collect them there.

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    This from the former Swedish FM just now who is highly respected here in the EU:


    Carl Bildt ✔ @carlbildt

    All indications point at fighting over Donetsk airport intensifying. Ukraine soldiers under very heavy pressure.

    Will the world react?

    Interesting question----

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    Flashes in the Air, Massive bombardement going on at Donetsk Airport and surroundings.
    LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRujbSn6pUU
    This is the live RT cam facing the airport.


    Yes, it still rages on. #DonetskAirport and area getting many strikes from Russian artillery, including many big flashes

    Parts of #Donetsk just went dark again

    #BREAKINGFOOTAGE
    Russian #Grad systems work on #Donetsk #airport.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQJvBOyi9ps
    pic.twitter.com/tTp7MPzZAK
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    #Footage from #Donetsk's Kievsky district.
    Hundreds of shells hit civilian areas thoughout the city.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSWgSiBZ1X4

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    #Russia|n tanks on flank of #Debaltsevo node.It is important from airport in #Donetsk http://bit.ly/1zodr0H
    pic.twitter.com/bGiLtndVrl

    Map makes clear: #Debaltseve (ie Russian Forces) controls flanks of Luhansk and Donetsk (which then controls flank of Mariupol).

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    Breaking: #Ukraine used FGM-148 Javelin against #Russia in DonAirport against tank brigade from Ulan-Ude. Unconfirmed

    http://patrioty.org.ua/sered-teroris...otuzhna-zbroya

    Lifenews says #Ukraine startet counter offensive, 100 soldiers + tanks on the runway. They probably realize airport not in Russian hands.
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    Video of unknown object flying from #Donetsk airport towards the cam. Possibly rocket artillery

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQh3a1HKuY

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    #ATO new center: fierce combat is on at #Donetsk airport, Cyborgs r blocking the enemy w/ fire to evacuate WIA

    https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/933809553296518 … |

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    In the midst of the winter fighting Professor John Schindler has a column, 'Why Ukraine Is Losing' and draws an interesting comparison with Croatia, who truly mobilised and regained lost territory:http://20committee.com/2015/01/17/wh...ine-is-losing/
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    In the midst of the winter fighting Professor John Schindler has a column, 'Why Ukraine Is Losing' and draws an interesting comparison with Croatia, who truly mobilised and regained lost territory:http://20committee.com/2015/01/17/wh...ine-is-losing/
    Would agree with the article with the simple exception Croatia got hidden NATO weapons support and was "privately and quietly allowed" to make their military moves.

    The Ukraine has been bluntly told to adhere to the Minsk agreements if they want financial aid from the EU and especially the US and notice there has not been a single US visit since the last one from Biden AND NATO ie the US has refused weapons--AND not a single mention in any recent US open press conference and silence out of the Congress. Even in the face of the killing of 13 and wounding of 17 in the Russian missile strike this week--not even mentioned in the US press. check who bought it up in the UNSC--no one from the "allies-UK/US---strange right?

    NATO/EU/US wants no military conflict with Russia and has made that clear repeatedly even as late as yesterday. Croatia did not have the same inhibitors that the Ukraine is having and had quiet understandings within NATO and the US.

    If the report today of a Javelin ATM being used is correct then that is the first indication the Baltics are assisting the Ukraine as they recently purchased 16M dollars worth of them---that makes a real difference in a tank heavy environment.

    Notice it is the Baltics and Poland that are verbally and militarily supporting the Ukraine---and no one else in either the EU and or NATO.

    For that matter seven EU countries being held by France WANT to in fact loosen Russian sanctions and there was absolutely no push back today from the US/UK both of whom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. Or did anyone hear that today from Obama in London?

    The Ukraine has in fact mobilized and mobilized and has fought and fought and only has asked for defensive weapons and political support and what has comeback from the EU/NATO and the US.

    Currently over 500 Russian tanks are inside the Ukraine with 10K Russian troops, over 400 rocket systems, over 800 IFVs, and four SS21 systems and yet NATO, EU and US and the global press have totally failed and or do not want to use the single word "war" and in 2008 everyone used the word and called it the "Russian-Georgian war".

    Strange is it not?

    Otherwise a good article---
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    Remember I mentioned the Ukraine is being held to hold the ceasefire by the EU/US-this explains his actions as he cannot do anything different than he is currently doing if he wants EU assistance:
    I dont get Poroshenko at all. UA forces are dying every day, and he's acting like the ceasefire is going perfect

    #PravySektor resupplied #DonetskAirport #cyborgs today; not the regular #Ukraine Army... #Poroshenko didn't even say a word...

    And the Ukraine is not fighting?:
    23 Cyborgs / Ukrainian troops defending #Donetsk #airport were killed and wounded today.
    3 KIA
    20 WIA
    pic.twitter.com/gVnJuEQQoe

    Pictures of today. Ukrainian Soldiers evacuated the dead and wounded comrades.
    http://inforesist.org/iz-aeroporta-v...ix-i-ranennyx/
    pic.twitter.com/9r4W0TafUS

    If true that there are now fighter aircraft inside the Ukraine--who is flying them and WHAT will the West say this time---not an invasion?
    LifeNews reporting ”Donetsk Republic“ now has air force. Translation: Russia will begin bombing Ukraine with jets.”

    Putin is Ukraine's greatest nation builder. Turned some useless ruins in Donetsk into a hugely powerful symbol that will stay forever
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    In the face of perfect video footage taken at the exact moment of the Russian GRAD shellings that killed 13 and wounded 17 in a bus the Russians still state "it ain't us" and reject any hint it was them.

    Ambassador of RF to the OSCE: OSCE data deny version of Kyiv and US about the reasons of tragedy near Volnovaha
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-janu...-data-deny-the

    OSCE says though----
    OSCE crater analysis of Grad rockets at #Volnovakha confirms launch from separatist territory
    pic.twitter.com/p4Ds2HqRJC

    Marcel van den Berg☁ @marcelvandenber
    My next post will debunk the Russia Today documentary. Many lies in that one. Can't wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #ATO new center: fierce combat is on at #Donetsk airport, Cyborgs r blocking the enemy w/ fire to evacuate WIA

    https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/933809553296518 … |
    #Ukraine #ATO:enemy liquidated 10,injured 17,were lost 2,all 1065th Artillery Reg.(Kostroma)98th Airborne Airborne Division of #Russia #army

    VIDEO #Ukraine 93rd Brigade & Right Sector expanded the corridor to #Donetsk Airport to 2km
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRPqQiBi_Tg#t=11
    pic.twitter.com/tEt0F5yQiH

    Fighting continues around #Donetsk airport as Ukrainian forces widen the area they control. Large Russian forces still present there.

    #Motorola (one of the leader of #Russian terrorists in E #Ukraine) reportedly killed in #Donetsk. Updates soon

    Earlier today a damaged #Russia tank was seen slowly leaving #Donetsk Airport #Ukraine indicative of fighting there
    pic.twitter.com/ZqDWAVk1AR

    #Russia troops near #Donetsk Airport using Electronic Warfare Vehicles to jam and disrupt communications
    pic.twitter.com/TOMGU97fvJ

    Biryukov: at least 64 Russian dead after Ukrainian artillery strike
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-janu...fter-ukrainian
    pic.twitter.com/2GnHmtFujA
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    In the face of perfect video footage taken at the exact moment of the Russian GRAD shellings that killed 13 and wounded 17 in a bus the Russians still state "it ain't us" and reject any hint it was them.

    Ambassador of RF to the OSCE: OSCE data deny version of Kyiv and US about the reasons of tragedy near Volnovaha
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/17-janu...-data-deny-the

    OSCE says though----
    OSCE crater analysis of Grad rockets at #Volnovakha confirms launch from separatist territory
    pic.twitter.com/p4Ds2HqRJC

    Marcel van den Berg☁ @marcelvandenber
    My next post will debunk the Russia Today documentary. Many lies in that one. Can't wait
    The Russians will have an extremely hard time debunking this excellent open source analysis of their GRAD shelling of a civilian bus killing 13.

    Somebody might actually have seen and filmed the outgoing GRAD attack that hit #Volnovakha bus
    http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...mined-for.html
    pic.twitter.com/Fs912HFqjr

    Possible launch location determined for Volnovakha attack
    http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...mined-for.html
    pic.twitter.com/6VWmzq2V5N

    #Volnovakha video compilage of GRAD launches, CCTV, and dashcam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_G_dCApelw
    pic.twitter.com/xvjcN2TSF3

    But they still try to divert the finger being correctly pointed at them just as in MH17 even in the face of 200% truth and evidence that has been in fact geotagged
    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #OSCE information disproves Kiev allegation of the guilty in the tragedy near Volnovakha
    http://itar-tass.com/en/world/771741
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Remember I mentioned the Ukraine is being held to hold the ceasefire by the EU/US-this explains his actions as he cannot do anything different than he is currently doing if he wants EU assistance:
    I dont get Poroshenko at all. UA forces are dying every day, and he's acting like the ceasefire is going perfect

    #PravySektor resupplied #DonetskAirport #cyborgs today; not the regular #Ukraine Army... #Poroshenko didn't even say a word...

    And the Ukraine is not fighting?:
    23 Cyborgs / Ukrainian troops defending #Donetsk #airport were killed and wounded today.
    3 KIA
    20 WIA
    pic.twitter.com/gVnJuEQQoe

    Pictures of today. Ukrainian Soldiers evacuated the dead and wounded comrades.
    http://inforesist.org/iz-aeroporta-v...ix-i-ranennyx/
    pic.twitter.com/9r4W0TafUS

    If true that there are now fighter aircraft inside the Ukraine--who is flying them and WHAT will the West say this time---not an invasion?
    LifeNews reporting ”Donetsk Republic“ now has air force. Translation: Russia will begin bombing Ukraine with jets.”

    Putin is Ukraine's greatest nation builder. Turned some useless ruins in Donetsk into a hugely powerful symbol that will stay forever
    The fighting today will have to go down as one of the hardest fought battles of the 21st century and the West did nothing- not even a press conference to even "complain" of Russian troops being invovled.

    Report from airport #Donetsk,#Army&reporter:Today was one of most hellish days in airport area
    pic.twitter.com/XZDJywm2yA


    AND the Ukraine is not fighting?---not a word from the West---or did they somehow miss it? Does the West even understand the single word---war?
    Especially since it is the West that has the Ukraine on a leash in order to not provoke Russia.

    Twenty-three Ukrainian troops killed, nearly 100 wounded in past 24 hours - military operation spokesman http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/213221.html
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    For those in the Obama NSC--there is in fact now an open war between the Ukraine and Russia forced upon the Ukraine by a Russian "invasion not an incursion" and yet the typical head in the sand approach

    Today Donetsk airport saw one of the biggest tank battles of the Russo-Ukrainian war. Right now Ukrainian tanks are streaming into the area

    LIVE VIDEO Massive explosions #Donetsk Airport.(#Ukraine offensive clear around area?)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFk0WFyQlnk
    pic.twitter.com/vHyJCLnQs8

    VIDEO - Ukrainian tanks are coming to the aid of the Donetsk airport.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4nMDeKvrY&sns=tw
    pic.twitter.com/lVYj8oSxtb
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    Default Why Ukraine Is Losing Part Two

    See Post 1652 for a critique of the Ukrainian military effort to date.

    I had read a similar article on the bizarrre civil government earlier this week, it is this 'The New Ukraine Is Run by Rogues, Sexpots, Warlords, Lunatics and Oligarchs' from a small circulation NY paper.
    Link:http://observer.com/2015/01/the-new-...#ixzz3P7I4zFoh
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