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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    21 January 2015


    Poroshenko says Ukraine won't negotiate with Russia

    By dpa correspondents
    Davos, Switzerland/Berlin (dpa) - Ukraine won't enter into negotiations about the bloody conflict in eastern Ukraine, which will only be solved if Russia stops the flow of fighters and arms to the region, President Petro Poroshenko said Wednesday.

    "Our approach is very simple. We have nothing to negotiate," Poroshenko told the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort of Davos.

    The president argued that the only needed step is the implementation of last year's ceasefire agreement, which stipulates halting foreign supplies of troops, weapons and ammunitions, and the withdrawal of heavy arms from the front line.

    "If you want to discuss something different, you are not for peace, you are for war," he said.

    Poroshenko reiterated his appeal for international solidarity with Ukraine by comparing the recent shelling of a bus that killed 13 in eastern Ukraine with the Paris terror attacks.

    "We are fighting for European security, we are fighting for European values," he said, while holding up a shrapnel-riddled fragment of the bus.

    The separatists have denied responsibility for the January 13 attack on the bus.

    Poroshenko was speaking as the foreign ministers of Ukraine, Russia, France and Germany were preparing to hold another round of talks about the conflict later Wednesday in Berlin.

    The ministers are to explore the chances of a summit with the leaders of their countries. However, German Chancellor Angela Merkel dampened expectations, pointing out that the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine was getting "shakier and shakier."

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said earlier that the separatists in eastern Ukraine are ready to give up territorial gains and move back to the front line defined in the Minsk ceasefire accords of September.

    "We used our influence on the (separatists') leadership and they agreed," Lavrov said in Moscow.

    Andrei Purgin, a leader of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic, said that the separatists were ready to discuss turning Donetsk airport into a demilitarized zone, the Interfax news agency reported.

    Casualties mounted on Wednesday as fighting continued in Ukraine's eastern regions. Separatist leaders said that at least nine civilians were killed and 30 injured by Ukrainian artillery fire, among them four in Stakhanov, a city in the Luhansk region.

    Authorities in the government-controlled areas of the Donetsk region said that six people were killed and 24 injured on government-held territory during the past 24 hours.

    In his Davos speech, Poroshenko renewed accusations that regular Russian troops are fighting alongside the rebels. "Over 9,000 Russian troops are now in Ukraine. If this is not an aggression, then what is an aggression?" he asked.

    Lavrov again denied this and claimed that Ukraine and the West had not produced evidence for its allegations: "Before you ask us to stop doing something, first show us proof that we are doing it."

    Foreign journalists have encountered Russian troops in eastern Ukraine on numerous occasions. There have also been numerous reports of funerals in Russia of soldiers who mysteriously died in Ukraine.

    Also on Wednesday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk asked the parliament in Kiev to increase the country's armed forces by 68,000 to 250,000 soldiers.

    Ukraine this week began a massive mobilization drive that will bring more than 100,000 reservists to join the military.
    "Over 9,000 Russian troops are now in Ukraine. If this is not an aggression, then what is an aggression?" he asked.
    Lavrov again denied this and claimed that Ukraine and the West had not produced evidence for its allegations: "Before you ask us to stop doing something, first show us proof that we are doing it."


    BREAKING: #NATO’s Stoltenberg: we call on #Russia to end support for separatists. We have seen presence of #Russia|n forces in #Ukraine
    At the funeral of 11 yr old killed in #Debaltseve. Random shells fall 10 min later. This is the new #Russia roulette.
    pic.twitter.com/YOt8peWIiT

    A family decimated in #Debaltseve - father and 11 yr old son killed, mother and 8 yr old daughter wounded
    pic.twitter.com/8zQhPl0LsN

    Identification of the enemy: the T-80 at the border and Tor-M2 in Shahtersk.
    http://bit.ly/1CBoBN5


    Sweden to the OSCE @SwedeninATOSCE
    Worrying Russian attempts trying to redefine Trilateral Contact Group, which consists of Russia, Ukraine and OSCE CiO repr & nobody else

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    "Over 9,000 Russian troops are now in Ukraine. If this is not an aggression, then what is an aggression?" he asked.
    Lavrov again denied this and claimed that Ukraine and the West had not produced evidence for its allegations: "Before you ask us to stop doing something, first show us proof that we are doing it."

    Oops, RussiaTV shows Russian marines–w/insignia–storming #DonetskAirport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YRl-dg0aMk
    pic.twitter.com/qvzx3qA5V

    Ukraine Live: Russian-Backed Fighters Claim to Take Over Checkpoint No. 31 http://bit.ly/1umcHCg pic.twitter.com/jhIMIZA5Sb

    MFA of Ukraine ✔ @MFA_Ukraine
    #OSCE confirms that self-proclaimed #DNR shelled Debaltseve and killed civilians pic.twitter.com/jYNGO2PxPF

    Former Ukr police chief wanted by Interpol and Kyiv for mass murder on Euromaidan working for Putin in Moscow
    http://www.rferl.org/content/zakharc...799151.htmlYou

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    #Lithuania rejects any calls to re-negot the terms for ceasefire, #Russia's attempts to change #Minsk accords to its benefit unaccept - UNSC

    #UNSC Lithuania - russoterrorists captured 550 sq km of additional territory, UA has inherent right to defend itself against invasion

    Unilateral changes to #Minsk accords, selective implementation of the document's positions is unacceptable - #UN Under-Sec Gen Feltman

    Russian Ambassador responds to condemnations at UN Security Council by reading quotes from Ukrainian leaders dead for 60 years

    Six Reasons Why Putin has Stepped Up Russian Aggression in Ukraine Now: Economy, Sanctions, Cyborgs, & the Weak West
    http://bit.ly/1yLmUzl

    Ukraine Live: It's Not Clear Who Controls Donetsk Airport, But Destruction There Is Shocking
    http://bit.ly/1CCc8so
    pic.twitter.com/5OFGxIwHme

    Terrorists in Donbas doubled their weapons during cease-fire - U.S. Army in Europe Commander
    http://en.censor.net.ua/n320959

    VIDEO 20/01/15 Force 30+ #Russia BM-21 Grad Launchers on M4 fr Rostov to #Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...421828030#t=11
    pic.twitter.com/oR5J4OZoXN

    Some of the separatist heavy armour on the way to fight Ukraine forces around checkpoint 29/31 in Luhansk region http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/-U...0a3e7632252ec?

    #Russia|n tanks have approached Netaylove to surround #Peski -
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/21-janu...ve-to-surround
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    Six Reasons Why Putin has Stepped Up Russian Aggression in Ukraine Now

    Paul Goble January 21, 2015

    Staunton, January 21 – Since Moscow’s Anschluss of Crimea almost a year ago, many in Russia, Ukraine and the West have asked not only why Vladimir Putin has chosen the path of aggression, but also why he has chosen it now rather than at some other time and what his timing says about his broader plans for the future.

    Some have suggested that it reflects simply a desire to save himself by “a short victorious war.” Others have said that his moves are a reflection of his assumption that no Western leader will stand up to him. And still others that the Kremlin leader is animated by a sense of his own greatness as the latest “ingatherer of the Russian lands.”

    Now that it has become clear that the Kremlin leader is stepping up the level of Russian aggression in Ukraine by sending additional men and materiel into Ukraine in an effort to end the stalemate that had been emerging between pro-Moscow and Ukrainian forces there, analysts are again asking Why now? and What does Putin’s timing presage for the future?

    Today, as reported by Kseniya Kirillova, Nikolay Vorobyev, a Ukrainian analyst now living in Washington, provides six reasons for Putin’s latest moves, reasons that he says were “predictable” if not always taken seriously.

    The six are:
    The Russian economy. Putin and his entourage “are beginning to understand that the economic problems” Russia faces now are fundamentally different and much worse than those of 2008. They are “serious and long-term,” and consequently, the Kremlin wants to divert Russian attention from those to a foreign enemy lest protests against itself start up.
    The European Union. It is no clear that “no one intends to lift the sanctions against the Russian Federation” anytime soon. As a result, Vorobyev says, “Putin decided to launch an asymmetrical military strike not only against Ukraine but also to ‘show his teeth’ to the entire West,” lest the West disconnect Russia from the SWIFT banking system or do something else.
    The Minsk Agreements. Neither Moscow nor its clients in the Donetsk or Luhansk is going to observe the September 5 accords. “Putin needs a new Minsk and new accords that will be even more unfavorable for Ukraine.” Therefore, his ‘force them to peace’ effort began earlier than planned.
    The Donetsk airport. The airport had become “a symbol of the steadfast nature of Ukrainian forces” and at the same time a very public indication of the weakness of the Russian side. That was too much for Putin and those around him and consequently, Vorobyev says, Moscow decided to intervene more massively and publicly than before.
    The United States. Not only is military assistance beginning to reach Ukraine, but the prospects are that there will be more of it now that the Republicans control Congress and Senator John McCain heads the defense committee. As a result, the situation for Russia in Ukraine is likely to worsen, and “the Kremlin decided to attack now.
    Financial Assistance to Ukraine. The IMF, the World Bank and the US are beginning to provide the level of assistance to Kyiv that may allow Ukraine to avoid a default. Given that “the main goal of the Kremlin today is to weaken the economy as much as possible” before that aid arrives, Putin decided to move.

    Given all these factors, Vorobyev says, “Ukraine today as never before must show the maximum of firmness, patience and solidarity.” What is happening now recalls the events in the Maidan last February 18-19, he says, and “we all know the result” of that for Ukraine and for its future.

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    UKUN_NewYork ✔ @UKUN_NewYork
    Despite persistent claims to the contrary, the evidence of #Russia’s support is beyond denial - pic.twitter.com/l0gNtIdQQ7

    Hundreds of #Russian troops and thousands of so-called "volunteers" remain on Ukr territory, must be withdrawn - #UK Rep to #UN #UNSC

    The #UK Rep to #UN mentions #Russian T-72 BM tanks spotted near #Luhansk. Ukrainian army is not in possession of such equipment #UNSC

    #UK Rep says militants in E #Ukraine have the newest weaponry that #Ukraine army never had. #Russia exports all to local #terrorists

    UKUN_NewYork ✔ @UKUN_NewYork
    2 days ago, 2 companies of Russian troops, inc 30 armoured personnel carriers & a dozen tanks were seen crossing into #Ukraine

    GRAPHIC: Dead (likely Ukrainian) soldiers at Donetsk Airport, which seems in Russian control.
    http://youtu.be/4RNdrQTFkoY
    pic.twitter.com/jRnebtjyyj

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    If the US/EU/NATO but more importantly Germany had read and fully understood the new Russian UW doctrine and all of it's eight phases they would realize that diplomatic talking is noting more than their UW phases two and three and yet the West seems to think talking is "great".

    No one seems to learn anything even when it is written on paper and in front of them---strange is it not?

    The concept of diplomacy in the 21st is not that of the 19th century.

    Big risk for German-led diplomacy on Ukraine: that peace negotiations are being used by Russia as an instrument of its territorial conquest


    Notice the term territorial conquest and then reread the Russian UW doctrine.

    Here is where I am coming from--what was agreed to yesterday by the four--pull back of heavy artillery 15kms from the Minsk lines--heck the heavy artillery is already pulled back due to the ranges of 20-40kms---"so that is what diplomatic success"?

    All the while Russian troops and mercenaries keep advancing way past the Minsk lines in a territorial land grab--and that is again WHAT--diplomatic success?

    Remember the Russian FM stated yesterday in his press conference that the "separatists would pull back to the Minsk lines"---did anyone notice any pullbacks anywhere in eastern Ukraine yesterday? AND if they are going to pull back then why advance in the first place?

    There is an old Soviet saying that US decision makers must claw back into their memory---"where the flag of the Red Army lands--IT STAYS"!

    All the while US utters just words and says nothing other than what their two Generals and one Ambassador state---AND that is what again "successful US diplomacy"?---come on this is the 21st century.

    WHY is it we hear not a single American in any form of leadership position stand up and ask the simple question --"Just what is the strategy"?--there is none.

    And for that we need a NSC--again for what?
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    Col. Lysenko: Russia moves new tanks, APCs, self-propelled guns and “Grad” missile systems closer to the UA-RU border

    #Ukraine's ex-President: #Putin afraid of open coflict, wants hybrid war http://belsat.eu/en/articles/ukraine...raid-open-war/ … #Kuchma

    ATO spox says both Ukr KIA and WIA might b remaining under wreckage of the new terminal. Combat is on, not possible to approach now -presser

    ATO spox: saying that #Donetsk airport has been compl aband by Ukr forces is not true, airp is a battlefield, fighting is on NOW – presser

    Ozeryanivka and #Mykhailivka SW of #Horlivka has fallen to Russian forces https://twitter.com/b_misteryo/statu...09766020087808

    #Ukraine forces hold to their positions in #Avdiivka, #Pisky near the airport. Combat is on there - ATO spox presser

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    Another bus shelling killing more than nine---Russian mercenaries first claimed it was from Ukrainian mortars but the closest Ukrainian army units are 15kms away.

    Open source analysis is slowly starting to point the finger directly at the "typical roving mortars that the mercenaries have been firing out of civilian areas".


    Tram stop in Donetsk shelled this morning causing civilian casualties was hit from a roving mortar, nrest ATO posit away in Pisky - ATO spox

    Open source analysis again is debunking this latest bus shelling
    So THIS is how they shell Ukrainian cities: hiding mortar in truck and fire 'unseen'...!!!

    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/2936...iyi_i_smerteyi
    pic.twitter.com/L98ZM7bHp6

    Open sources already pointing the finger at the mercenaries based on their statement it was a mortar attack by the Ukrainians as always check this map workup
    pic.twitter.com/BprfsX9j0M


    From the Russian MFA--the Russian Foreign Ministry says the attack on civilians in east #Ukraine is a 'blunt provocation'

    Will Russia now use this as an excuse to move in their "peacekeeping forces" that are parked just next to the Ukrainian border that the West says nothing about lately?

    Shelling attack on a trolley bus in #Donetsk,9 civilians killed
    pic.twitter.com/v6EFNKqLwm”

    New #Volnovakha:at least 8civil killed n #Donetsk b #Russian terrorists w/ mrtar.Learn details:
    http://empr.media/news/new-volnovakh...led-in-donetsk
    pic.twitter.com/zz2EHKTVG7

    Alim Asanuly: DONETSK- Russia kills civils. Mortar could shoot 6-7 km. Until the closed Ukr military- more than 15km.
    pic.twitter.com/6N5KuRRV3v

    Zakharchenko visits scene of #Donetsk bus attack as five empty Grad trucks drive by. Rebels order cameras away.
    pic.twitter.com/b8uhOlHmC6

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    Concerning Ukrainian POWs taken at the airport fighting---mistreatment and the use of Russian Ministry of Interior vehicles to transport them when the Russian FM says there are no Russians and or their equipment inside the Ukraine as of yesterday.

    car on which captured UA soldier was brought to #Donetsk belongs to MIN OF RUSSIAN INTERIOR AFFAIRS
    pic.twitter.com/eUO5oxrf0h”


    #INTERESTING, Ukrainian POW inside #Donetsk are transported with #Russian #Ministry of Internal Affairs vehicles!!!
    pic.twitter.com/c8bBJ7nChm


    Dear @OSCE_SMM,
    as you were on the scene, you saw the Ukrainian POW was moved there by a Russian operational vehicle from #Yekaterinburg?!


    Appalling treatment of POWs by the DNR, marching them through the streets of Donetsk and allowing them to be beaten after the bus bombing

    Now it appears captured Ukrainian soldiers are being marched through the streets of Dontesk
    http://instagram.com/p/yJ4ZvGRWxY
    pic.twitter.com/wFwSfaQvtK

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    At the #Donetsk airport Ukr forces preserve control over the fire station, air control tower, runway - #ATO spox Lysenko presser

    "Cyborgs" continue to hold a #number #of #objects at Donetsk airport."
    "Ukrainian troops were withdrawn from the new terminal." - ATO

    Kindergarten, #Debaltseve. Hit 15 mins before we arrived, still smoking. Artillery fire all around- too hot to stay
    pic.twitter.com/XlioSsh8e4

    Kindergarten hit by separatist rocket. Jets overhead and shells falling all around us in Ukrainian held #Debaltseve
    pic.twitter.com/vVCAAV3dEr

    Tanks, BMD, BMP, self-prop artil were spotted moving in Rostov reg to Ukr border w/out insignia or w/ Rus mil numberplates - ATO spox

    #OSCE "observed 469 persons in military-style clothing crossing the border. 234 persons entered the RF while 235 left for Ukraine
    "Donetsk" border crossing and on ONE day.
    More interesting
    OSCE has observed military supplys from russia to ua cross border.
    http://www.osce.org/om/135686

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    An absolutely quick thinking field journalist who fully understands the value of open source analysis in the shelling today of a Donetsk bus the mercenaries are again blaming on the Ukrainians.

    It is this quick thinking coupled with open source analysis that has pointed the finger at the Russians shooting down MH17 and the Russians shelling a bus last week killing 13 AND used yesterday by the US Ambassador to the UNSC during the UNSC meeting on the Ukraine.

    .@ChristopherJM does something BRILLIANT: Impact site of second shell next to trolley line in #Donetsk. #Leninsky
    pic.twitter.com/8OOfBcrOFx

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    An absolutely quick thinking field journalist who fully understands the value of open source analysis in the shelling today of a Donetsk bus the mercenaries are again blaming on the Ukrainians.

    It is this quick thinking coupled with open source analysis that has pointed the finger at the Russians shooting down MH17 and the Russians shelling a bus last week killing 13 AND used yesterday by the US Ambassador to the UNSC during the UNSC meeting on the Ukraine.

    .@ChristopherJM does something BRILLIANT: Impact site of second shell next to trolley line in #Donetsk. #Leninsky
    pic.twitter.com/8OOfBcrOFx
    Sometimes I wonder just why our billions of dollars worth of IC cannot work as fast--this was the twitter exchange to get additional field details in all of about six minutes and will greatly assist in pointing the true finger after open source analysis is completed.

    Right, Russians are so stupid that can't calculate 82mm mortar range

    Can you point direction?

    coordinates?

    What about the caliber?

    Puts it at 139 degrees, approx NW

    Very very useful, thank you

    really? that a "impact" hole? the edges are curved INSIDE...

    The wonders of open source social media--it has been hurting Russia now for months as they try to maintain the basic lie of not being in the Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Sometimes I wonder just why our billions of dollars worth of IC cannot work as fast--this was the twitter exchange to get additional field details in all of about six minutes and will greatly assist in pointing the true finger after open source analysis is completed.

    Right, Russians are so stupid that can't calculate 82mm mortar range

    Can you point direction?

    coordinates?

    What about the caliber?

    Puts it at 139 degrees, approx NW

    Very very useful, thank you

    really? that a "impact" hole? the edges are curved INSIDE...

    The wonders of open source social media--it has been hurting Russia now for months as they try to maintain the basic lie of not being in the Ukraine.
    Here comes the first analysis which is probably true and if true then the "alleged" story by the Russian mercenaries that it was the Ukrainians that fired is totally false as the closest they are 15kms --way outside 82mm range which was again the first thing the mercenaries stated as they are always quick to state until they get caught in their web of lies.


    Ukraine@war @DajeyPetros

    Crater of #Leninsky shell near bus is smaller than phone from @ChristopherJM. Indicating it may be 82mm shell.
    pic.twitter.com/wYp7ODgBLW

    So THIS is how they shell Ukrainian cities: hiding mortar in truck and fire 'unseen'...!!!
    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/2936...iyi_i_smerteyi
    pic.twitter.com/L98ZM7bHp6

    Open sources already pointing the finger at the mercenaries based on their statement it was a mortar attack by the Ukrainians as always check this map workup
    pic.twitter.com/BprfsX9j0M

    Let's keep it simple.
    It was again the Russians
    #LeninskyBusMassacre pic.twitter.com/HuBh84anTg
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    BREAKING: @OSCE_SMM report says #Ukraine troops at #Donetsk airport on Jan 19 were allegedly attacked by poison gas
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/135671


    very strange that there is no visible wounds at all
    no visible wounds
    - reported symptoms "muscle spasms, vomiting and difficult breathing" http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/135671
    Gas attack?

    Yes, In a previous video from the airport the Russians where washing their faces with water do to heat or something else…

    No obvious entry wounds or blood, could be

    During the Russian assault there had been reports of gas being used and some wrote it off as smoke grenades but then there were fighters available for immediate interviews and now this comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Here comes the first analysis which is probably true and if true then the "alleged" story by the Russian mercenaries that it was the Ukrainians that fired is totally false as the closest they are 15kms --way outside 82mm range which was again the first thing the mercenaries stated as they are always quick to state until they get caught in their web of lies.


    Ukraine@war @DajeyPetros

    Crater of #Leninsky shell near bus is smaller than phone from @ChristopherJM. Indicating it may be 82mm shell.
    pic.twitter.com/wYp7ODgBLW

    So THIS is how they shell Ukrainian cities: hiding mortar in truck and fire 'unseen'...!!!
    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/2936...iyi_i_smerteyi
    pic.twitter.com/L98ZM7bHp6

    Open sources already pointing the finger at the mercenaries based on their statement it was a mortar attack by the Ukrainians as always check this map workup
    pic.twitter.com/BprfsX9j0M

    Let's keep it simple.
    It was again the Russians
    #LeninskyBusMassacre pic.twitter.com/HuBh84anTg
    Notice how quickly the Russian propaganda jumps on the event--Russian MFA now in the game--it will take the western press about two days to catch up with the initial open source analysis side placing the blame on the Russians if they stick to the mortar story which will change as they become aware of the open source analysis.


    Russia's FM Lavrov puts blame for Donetsk trolleybus attack on Ukraine army
    https://translate.google.com/transla...4F4&edit-text=
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iAk42pC84

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BREAKING: @OSCE_SMM report says #Ukraine troops at #Donetsk airport on Jan 19 were allegedly attacked by poison gas
    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/135671


    very strange that there is no visible wounds at all
    no visible wounds
    - reported symptoms "muscle spasms, vomiting and difficult breathing" http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/135671
    Gas attack?

    Yes, In a previous video from the airport the Russians where washing their faces with water do to heat or something else…

    No obvious entry wounds or blood, could be

    During the Russian assault there had been reports of gas being used and some wrote it off as smoke grenades but then there were fighters available for immediate interviews and now this comes out.
    Journalists and bloggers attempting to locate approx. 11 Ukrainian fighters who were evaced out of the terminal to see if they had any of the reported problems.

    if u know anything of the 11 men transferred to #Dnepropetrovsk hospital pls contact
    #Ukraine cc @MaxRTucker @KyivPost @InformNapalm @hrw

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Here comes the first analysis which is probably true and if true then the "alleged" story by the Russian mercenaries that it was the Ukrainians that fired is totally false as the closest they are 15kms --way outside 82mm range which was again the first thing the mercenaries stated as they are always quick to state until they get caught in their web of lies.


    Ukraine@war @DajeyPetros

    Crater of #Leninsky shell near bus is smaller than phone from @ChristopherJM. Indicating it may be 82mm shell.
    pic.twitter.com/wYp7ODgBLW

    So THIS is how they shell Ukrainian cities: hiding mortar in truck and fire 'unseen'...!!!
    http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/2936...iyi_i_smerteyi
    pic.twitter.com/L98ZM7bHp6

    Open sources already pointing the finger at the mercenaries based on their statement it was a mortar attack by the Ukrainians as always check this map workup
    pic.twitter.com/BprfsX9j0M

    Let's keep it simple.
    It was again the Russians
    #LeninskyBusMassacre pic.twitter.com/HuBh84anTg
    AND now the open source is kicking in:

    Ukraine@war @DajeyPetros

    "Witness heard 5 shots". Maybe four? Indication that Vaselik was used? #Leninsky bus attack Donetsk
    pic.twitter.com/Ra8BOKdZAw


    The Vaselik has by the way been identified by social media as being used by the Russian mercenaries in the Donbas on a number of occasions recently. Remember as mentioned below there are Russian SF and airborne troops in the Donetsk fighting at the airport area.

    The 2B9 Vasilek (Cornflower) is an automatic 82 mm gun-mortar developed in the Soviet Union in 1967.[1] It was based on the F-82 automatic mortar and subsequently fielded in 1970 to the Soviet Army.[1] Unlike conventional mortars, the 2B9 can fire in single and automatic mode using four-round clips. Rounds can be loaded from either the muzzle or the breech. Because of its wheeled carriage, the 2B9 resembles a light artillery piece more than a conventional mortar.

    The 2B9 was used in Afghanistan by Soviet units and is still found in Russian airmobile infantry units. In the fighting in Afghanistan, Soviet units found the 2B9 a versatile and useful weapon.[3] The 2B9 can fire high-explosive, armor -piercing, smoke, and flares. The armor-piercing projectile, which weighs 3.1 kg and has a 75 g warhead that can penetrate 100mm of armor.[4] Upon blast, the shell produces 400 to 600 fragments.[1]

    By 1988, the 2B9 was also deployed as a self-propelled weapon by mounting the gun-mortar in the rear of an MT-LB armored personnel carrier.[5]

    During the Syrian Civil War, the 2B9M Vasilek is used by the Syrian Armed Forces and the Islamist group Ansar al-Sham. The militants used a 2B9M automatic mortar near Mount Chalma, Kesab district.[6]

    In 2014, the 2B9 Vasilek was used by Novorossiyan rebels in the War in Donbass
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    During the Crimea and the initial mercenary takeover in eastern Ukraine I took a lot of heated comments from some commenters who felt that diplomacy was the way forward and sending weapons to the Ukraine and or assisting them and or use of really heavy sanctions ie SWIFT was the totally wrong way to go.

    Now seven going on eight months in-- who basically was right?

    We had yesterday a perfect example of "western" diplomacy at work in Berlin and at the UNSC---and what exactly again was "achieved" not a darn thing.

    Putin is driving on his new military UW doctrine and a geo political strategy---AND we the west do not even have a strategy yet---Putin does not want an open conflict and prefers the hybrid route and yet we do not confront on the conflict side to test his will power.

    Right now the Ukraine would love to declare war and have a total mobilization BUT cannot WHY--the IMF will not lend any money to a country that is actively in a declared "war" and they need the money---Soros had it really simple idea recently and yet he was totally ignored---the West should provide 50B and get the Ukraine off the financial hook, then let the Ukraine declare war with western anti tank and air weapons and go at it.

    Putin is and has been deeply afraid of an open conflict and yet we do not test that assumption all we do is talk and that is not a strategy these days.

    So for those that commented here that diplomacy was the way forward---want to try that concept again?-- might work in Arizona but not in the Ukraine.

    BUT he knows the west will not go down that rabbit hole thus he pushes and pushes and pushes and no one says stop and this is the 21st century?

    The Ukraine and Russia are effectively now at WAR and the west does what again? Talk

    #BreakingStatement
    "The enemy is preparing a powerful offensive."
    - Ukr @NSDC_ua secretary Turchynov


    #BreakingNews
    Russian offensive across the #Kalmius to start soon
    13 tanks/apc seen near #Hranitne
    22 attacks in 24 hours east of #Mariupol

    #BREAKINGNEWS
    10 Ukrainian soldiers killed,16 injured yesterday.
    Makes 17 KIA in 48 hours.
    The full-scale Russian offensive is gaining pace

    #BREAKINGFOOTAGE
    24 Russian army #Grad systems shortly before entering #Donetsk city.
    http://youtu.be/zCYwumPngFQ
    pic.twitter.com/rAgdxyIeOb

    Large Russian forces are now advancing on Mariupol and Lysychansk (heart of Ukraine-controlled Luhansk region) under massive artillery cover

    New #Russia military vehicles heading to #Ukraine BMD,BMP,Tanks,MSTA-S; Nona;Grad,KAMAZ trucks
    http://bit.ly/15vv1T8
    pic.twitter.com/r0bagP95Wf
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Journalists and bloggers attempting to locate approx. 11 Ukrainian fighters who were evaced out of the terminal to see if they had any of the reported problems.

    if u know anything of the 11 men transferred to #Dnepropetrovsk hospital pls contact
    #Ukraine cc @MaxRTucker @KyivPost @InformNapalm @hrw
    have you seen osce report on gas at airport.remember Russian ctw opp in moscow theatre

    More evidence 'gas' used by #Russia-backed forces on #Ukraine's army to take #Donetsk airport
    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...00005534477952 … pic.twitter.com/u9U3jsToiz
    We can't show you everything!

    Have a look at the dead cyborgs. What should be the cause of death? I have a feeling that something is wrong here.
    pic.twitter.com/1NL5YmubKP

    Daniel Sandford ✔ @BBCDanielS
    "80 Ukrainian soldiers...suffered...uncontrollable muscle spasms, vomiting and difficult breathing." http://www.osce.org/node/135671

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    AND now the open source is kicking in:

    Ukraine@war @DajeyPetros

    "Witness heard 5 shots". Maybe four? Indication that Vaselik was used? #Leninsky bus attack Donetsk
    pic.twitter.com/Ra8BOKdZAw


    The Vaselik has by the way been identified by social media as being used by the Russian mercenaries in the Donbas on a number of occasions recently. Remember as mentioned below there are Russian SF and airborne troops in the Donetsk fighting at the airport area.

    The 2B9 Vasilek (Cornflower) is an automatic 82 mm gun-mortar developed in the Soviet Union in 1967.[1] It was based on the F-82 automatic mortar and subsequently fielded in 1970 to the Soviet Army.[1] Unlike conventional mortars, the 2B9 can fire in single and automatic mode using four-round clips. Rounds can be loaded from either the muzzle or the breech. Because of its wheeled carriage, the 2B9 resembles a light artillery piece more than a conventional mortar.

    The 2B9 was used in Afghanistan by Soviet units and is still found in Russian airmobile infantry units. In the fighting in Afghanistan, Soviet units found the 2B9 a versatile and useful weapon.[3] The 2B9 can fire high-explosive, armor -piercing, smoke, and flares. The armor-piercing projectile, which weighs 3.1 kg and has a 75 g warhead that can penetrate 100mm of armor.[4] Upon blast, the shell produces 400 to 600 fragments.[1]

    By 1988, the 2B9 was also deployed as a self-propelled weapon by mounting the gun-mortar in the rear of an MT-LB armored personnel carrier.[5]

    During the Syrian Civil War, the 2B9M Vasilek is used by the Syrian Armed Forces and the Islamist group Ansar al-Sham. The militants used a 2B9M automatic mortar near Mount Chalma, Kesab district.[6]

    In 2014, the 2B9 Vasilek was used by Novorossiyan rebels in the War in Donbass
    More from the social media side--what is interesting while the Russian MFA is screaming for an investigation it seems the Russian pundits and trolls are extremely quiet after the social media releases.

    'DNR' already destroyed evidence (artillery on truck) #Leninsky bus attack http://vz.ru/news/2015/1/22/725677.html … via @pete_leonard
    pic.twitter.com/plSQPp7fbO


    Liveuamap @Liveuamap
    NW-N-NE - if mortar fire, than it shelled from Donetsk pic.twitter.com/P9DPjgEcHv

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