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    Kind of sums up the UE/EU/NATO strategy towards Russia or actually no strategy.

    Zakharchenko (Russia): "We will take the whole #Donbas, no truce."

    EU US and #Ukraine: "But, but... We want peace talks!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    If the entire West and the Obama NSC really wanted to get serious and to stop the current Russian offensive to grab more Ukrainian territory dead in its tracks---here is the single point of failure for the entire Russian economy that will even get the attention of a rather lately quiet Putin.

    Seriously--Russia is going to go to war over SWIFT--if the West falls for that line then they really do need to pack it in and go home.


    VTB's Kostin @wef: We already have an alternative to SWIFT, but if the US exclude us from SWIFT this means war.

    John Schindler @20committee

    When members of the Russian elite publicly say war with the USA may be imminent, good idea to pay attention. http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/...pia&bftw=world

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    New #Russian weapons filmed in occupied Makievka - some of the most powerful MRLS, "Smerch" http://fakty.ictv.ua/ua/index/view-m...79770/album/83

    Particularly intense fighting/shelling observed in area of Pavlopil–Sartana. Enemy artillery is leading massive fire strikes ... on advanced positions of Ukrainian troops, trying to create conditions for further advancement of insurgent groups.

    FM Lavrov assured the world again and again, there are no Russian troops in pic.twitter.com/5yJTmYq3ej

    #Ukraine Railways restored rail link 2 #Mariupol disrupted by #Russia sabotage explosion on a railbridge + 2 more earlier-hit bridges. #АТО

    NEW ARTICLE OUT NOW
    Hard evidence, the regular Russian army invades Ukraine

    http://conflictreport.info/2015/01/2...vades-ukraine/
    Maybe the Russian FM Lavrov should read it

    Donbass Commander Claims Russian Forces Have Left Checkpoint 31 On Bakhmutka Highway. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...asefires/#6466

    Footage of what appears to be an ongoing battle at Donetsk airport in eastern Ukraine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1LJ-Q9cWOU
    pic.twitter.com/6zyHknZceF

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    More examples of the Russian "altered state of reality".

    Envoy to the #OSCE Andrey Kelin’s remarks on the situation in #Ukraine and violations of the Minsk agreements by Kiev
    http://bit.ly/1AYsqtJ

    Zakharchenko: We expect to get recognition from these countries. We might even get recognition from Venezuela, Nicaragua

    Zakharchenko: “Kindness is taken 4 weakness. No more ceasefires, rotations of Ukr troops. But we will xchange POWs” pic.twitter.com/ZpUqVUMQwf

    Zakharchenko: Do we need international recognition? Life isn't bad in Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria....

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    A perfect reason that the West simply needs to stop talking with Russia as it cannot be any longer trusted on anything.

    Russia signed the 13 November implementation agreement for the ceasefire and Minks demarcation lines and then on 19 January "decides to unsign/recall it".

    What the heck does "unsign/recall" mean---if they simply declare that no treaty, agreement or memorandum that they have ever signed no longer exists as being valid then why "talk" with Russia---waste of time as the Germans are finding out lately.

    The Russian Federation has recalled its signature on the schedule of the implementation of the Minsk agreements dated November 13, 2014.

    On January 18, Ukraine suggested it be signed again, Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the UN Yuriy Serheyev has said.


    BUT remember it was Putin today and his Russian FM that accused the Ukraine or not responding to the Berlin proposal when in fact the 13 November Russian signed document addressed exactly the same proposals made in Berlin .

    AND that is not "an altered state of reality"?

    Can in fact Russia be trusted on anything they say and or do and or sign--should be asked in the capitals of the US/EU/NATO?

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    Another perfect example of the total confusion in the west on how to deal with Russia---the US remains silent, the Germans are spinning in a circle and now this EU decision.

    Does not the EU realize exactly what the Russian strategic geo political goals are--seems not. Letting now Russia dictate to the EU on what they will or will not do--strange is it not?

    The EU seems to be now in the back pocket of Putin--game over.

    EU agrees to let #Russia choose which EU states exempt from food ban https://euobserver.com/foreign/127318

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    For those SWJ commenters here that when the Crimea occurred and then eastern Ukraine--often would state Putin was not after annexation and the Odessa land corridor for the Crimea--need to rethink your thinking.

    And that he was only doing it because of NATO expansion and "humiliation"---time to rethink those ideas as it was never about that --he has three geo political goals in mind and he has never come off them since--- BUT hey even the NSC and WH should have known that.

    Here comes the Odessa/Crimea corridor military campaign---and I ask again the response from the US/EU and NATO is again what?

    And so the battle for the corridor to Odessa begins. #Mariupol suburbs under attack, reports of rebel/RU armor on the move #Ukraine #Russia

    Militants launch tank attack on Mariupol suburbs
    http://www.unian.info/society/103557...l-suburbs.html

    Kyiv-1 battalion commander Yevhen Deidei says terrorists' tank start attacking in the areas near #Mariupol
    https://www.facebook.com/evgeniy.dei...77?pnref=story

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    For those SWJ commenters here that when the Crimea occurred and then eastern Ukraine--often would state Putin was not after annexation and the Odessa land corridor for the Crimea--need to rethink your thinking.

    And that he was only doing it because of NATO expansion and "humiliation"---time to rethink those ideas as it was never about that --he has three geo political goals in mind and he has never come off them since--- BUT hey even the NSC and WH should have known that.

    Here comes the Odessa/Crimea corridor military campaign---and I ask again the response from the US/EU and NATO is again what?

    And so the battle for the corridor to Odessa begins. #Mariupol suburbs under attack, reports of rebel/RU armor on the move #Ukraine #Russia

    Militants launch tank attack on Mariupol suburbs
    http://www.unian.info/society/103557...l-suburbs.html

    Kyiv-1 battalion commander Yevhen Deidei says terrorists' tank start attacking in the areas near #Mariupol
    https://www.facebook.com/evgeniy.dei...77?pnref=story
    AND here comes the economic warfare card being played by Putin--if the Ukraine is now smart they simply cut all power/gas/water to the Crimea and eastern Ukraine and point the finger directly back to Putin--BUT will the West allow the Ukrainians to do that--not so sure.

    Russia stops coal supplies to Ukrainehttp://uatoday.tv/news/russia-stops-...in-404695.html
    pic.twitter.com/gXEzx1dmNt

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    For those SWJ commenters here that when the Crimea occurred and then eastern Ukraine--often would state Putin was not after annexation and the Odessa land corridor for the Crimea--need to rethink your thinking.

    And that he was only doing it because of NATO expansion and "humiliation"---time to rethink those ideas as it was never about that --he has three geo political goals in mind and he has never come off them since--- BUT hey even the NSC and WH should have known that.

    Here comes the Odessa/Crimea corridor military campaign---and I ask again the response from the US/EU and NATO is again what?

    And so the battle for the corridor to Odessa begins. #Mariupol suburbs under attack, reports of rebel/RU armor on the move #Ukraine #Russia

    Militants launch tank attack on Mariupol suburbs
    http://www.unian.info/society/103557...l-suburbs.html

    Kyiv-1 battalion commander Yevhen Deidei says terrorists' tank start attacking in the areas near #Mariupol
    https://www.facebook.com/evgeniy.dei...77?pnref=story

    And the White House leadership strategy is again WHAT and or is there any leadership out of this White House since they have effectively outsourced everything to Germany who has equally failed in a grand style.

    John Schindler @20committee
    Looks like the expected Russian drive on Mariupol is getting underway. Get ready for the partition of #Ukraine.
    http://20committee.com/2015/01/23/the-fate-of-ukraine/

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    For those in Washington that still do not want to believe the Russians never wanted to annex eastern Ukraine CHECK THIS---and again just what is the new US strategy when Russia has fully annexed eastern Ukraine.

    Symbols mean a lot to the Russians and the Russian flag flying over the Donetsk airport says it all to Obama--his policies have totally failed and he has no more.

    Now on major Russian TV channel: the flag of Russia flying from #Donetsk airport. NOT flag of "Novorossiya" or "DNR":

    http://youtu.be/R1pPnSBCwkc

    Notice just ho quiet it is in DC?

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    When will the US/EU and NATO finally realize diplomatic approaches with the Russians have basically failed --notice throughout today there has been no statement to the Russian mercenary declaration of war coming out of the west until just now by the Germans---almost a full five hours after it was issued and carried on social media.

    Even the Germans are having a hard time accepting that their efforts have actually failed--not sure just why they had assumed it would work.


    FM #Steinmeier: Signatories to #Minsk+#Berlin agreements now need to ensure that these agreements become a reality.

    FM #Steinmeier in #Tunis: Public statements made by separatist leaders from Eastern #Ukraine are "nothing but warmongering.“

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    Am not the only one seeing the actual US white house and NSC failures in the Ukraine.

    If the #US is really supporting #Ukraine, as Obama claims, then why are Kiev’s forces getting hammered?

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/22/...port-shelling/

    This is way to late---and why is it to late?

    Army Recognition @ArmyRecognition
    #US #military advisers to start training National Guard of #Ukraine's troops in spring:
    http://bit.ly/1F8QQbt
    pic.twitter.com/sqpR558q0z

    AND this is the next Russian move and the US strategy is again what?

    Here is Russia's plan for arctic supremacy — via @Stratfor :
    http://read.bi/1t6puxt
    pic.twitter.com/zF4o35ey4S

    The Arctic-Kaliningrad-Crimea: Strategic Russian Defense Triangle. Zvezda 15 Jan via Russian Military News in English http://shokidriver.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/the-
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-23-2015 at 03:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am not the only one seeing the actual US white house and NSC failures in the Ukraine.

    If the #US is really supporting #Ukraine, as Obama claims, then why are Kiev’s forces getting hammered?

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/22/...port-shelling/

    This is way to late---and why is it to late?

    Army Recognition @ArmyRecognition
    #US #military advisers to start training National Guard of #Ukraine's troops in spring:
    http://bit.ly/1F8QQbt
    pic.twitter.com/sqpR558q0z

    AND this is the next Russian move and the US strategy is again what?

    Here is Russia's plan for arctic supremacy — via @Stratfor :
    http://read.bi/1t6puxt
    pic.twitter.com/zF4o35ey4S

    The Arctic-Kaliningrad-Crimea: Strategic Russian Defense Triangle. Zvezda 15 Jan via Russian Military News in English http://shokidriver.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/the-
    Well worth the reading:

    Brzezinski > not providing lethal weapons to Ukraine to deter Russia increases Russia's intentions to escalate @zbig

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01...ire-Brzezinski

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    Ukrainian artillery by Donetsk have killed more than 20 Russian soldiers and militants, 10 POWs taken.

    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/23-janu...d-more-than-20

    A bridge fight near Spartak, close to #airport with 20 RU tanks - Ukraine 25th brigade #Russian|s lost 8 tanks, many KIA, some POW's in tank battle near Spartak. NOT the Ukrainian army!

    Footage of several Ukrainian tanks moving to the front line.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKBI1FWjZaA
    pic.twitter.com/sNBhlmvTGY

    Passports and military IDs from Russians that were defeated at Donetsk Airport area today
    pic.twitter.com/7erz6RPfqk via @SputnikATO

    #Analysis
    The Rus #Verkhnotoretske offensive is SIGNIFICANT and more successful than the CP31 one.
    RF forces captured 30km² in 48 hours !!

    Pres adviser Biryukov asks Lavrov where he wants Russian dead buried.Says LA Times were there
    https://www.facebook.com/yuri.biriuk...05?pnref=story
    pic.twitter.com/Zcrw3bHxP9

    #Footage
    The Russian army needs fuel for its push inside #Ukraine.
    Here it comes!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzFD63kLHvs
    pic.twitter.com/qCio87ntuM
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-23-2015 at 04:41 PM.

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    Why does NATO/EU/US keep insisting on the word incursion when in fact if it an outright invasion and war.

    NATO sees movement of Russian air defense & electronic warfare systems similar to 2 previous incursions into Ukraine http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosour

    NATO Gen.: Russian-backed forces "have in several places moved the line of contact to the west. & this is concerning" http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...res-in-ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Ukrainian artillery by Donetsk have killed more than 20 Russian soldiers and militants, 10 POWs taken.

    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/23-janu...d-more-than-20

    A bridge fight near Spartak, close to #airport with 20 RU tanks - Ukraine 25th brigade #Russian|s lost 8 tanks, many KIA, some POW's in tank battle near Spartak. NOT the Ukrainian army!

    Footage of several Ukrainian tanks moving to the front line.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKBI1FWjZaA
    pic.twitter.com/sNBhlmvTGY

    Photo evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine
    http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/23-janu...ers-in-ukraine
    pic.twitter.com/R76DZ1RzI5

    #Analysis
    The Rus #Verkhnotoretske offensive is SIGNIFICANT and more successful than the CP31 one.
    RF forces captured 30km² in 48 hours !!

    https://www.facebook.com/yuri.biriuk...05?pnref=story
    pic.twitter.com/Zcrw3bHxP9

    Pres adviser Biryukov asks Lavrov where he wants Russian dead buried.Says LA Times were there
    https://www.facebook.com/yuri.biriuk...05?pnref=story
    pic.twitter.com/Zcrw3bHxP9

    Russian media: #Ukraine is going to declare war on #Russia
    http://translate.google.com/translat...-vojnu-rossii/
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-23-2015 at 04:35 PM.

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    Message for Lavrov (from Donetsk Airport area today)
    pic.twitter.com/l4DmEb88n1 via @SputnikATO

    Russian passports were taken from killed Russian troops and 10 Russian POWs today at the Donetsk airport.

    Passports and military IDs from Russians that were defeated at Donetsk Airport area today
    pic.twitter.com/7erz6RPfqk via @SputnikATO

    Compare the military IDs of DNR (L) and Russia (R).Printed by the one security printer - Guess a name, location.
    pic.twitter.com/D4dLGbuFl8

    Burnt tank, burnt truck and RU passports, RU military service record cards.
    They are not there
    , @MID_RF?
    pic.twitter.com/y6rnvppguo

    How much more evidence does the US/EU/NATO need to finally implement the long threatened tougher sanctions ie SWIFT and finally admit there is a full war ongoing in the Ukraine.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 01-23-2015 at 04:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    For those SWJ commenters here that when the Crimea occurred and then eastern Ukraine--often would state Putin was not after annexation and the Odessa land corridor for the Crimea--need to rethink your thinking.

    And that he was only doing it because of NATO expansion and "humiliation"---time to rethink those ideas as it was never about that --he has three geo political goals in mind and he has never come off them since--- BUT hey even the NSC and WH should have known that.

    Here comes the Odessa/Crimea corridor military campaign---and I ask again the response from the US/EU and NATO is again what?

    And so the battle for the corridor to Odessa begins. #Mariupol suburbs under attack, reports of rebel/RU armor on the move #Ukraine #Russia

    Militants launch tank attack on Mariupol suburbs
    http://www.unian.info/society/103557...l-suburbs.html

    Kyiv-1 battalion commander Yevhen Deidei says terrorists' tank start attacking in the areas near #Mariupol
    https://www.facebook.com/evgeniy.dei...77?pnref=story
    Transdniestria conducted practice mobilization at border with Ukraine’s Odessa region
    http://tass.ru/en/world/772841

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    DNR" war declaration means #Putin #Novorossiya is back on.#Ukraine can now expect attack fr #Transnistria & #Crimea
    pic.twitter.com/hPUH88RQbL

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    They are everywhere in #Donetsk
    #Reuters photo, Jan 21
    pic.twitter.com/yIsML7FelO

    #Ukraine troops killed 50 #Russia troops,captured 5,destroyed 4 tanks etc #Donetsk
    http://news.liga.net/news/politics/4...minoborony.htm … #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/d95kKpAK5S
    Bad news for #Debaltseve they're able to get so far
    pic.twitter.com/zd5VxQPRJs

    THERE IS A HEAVY RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE HAPPENING BETWEEN HORLIVKA AND ADVEEVKA W/O ANY MEDIA/UKR ARMY REFLECTION pic.twitter.com/4nTOyXH9Y0

    #Ukrainian forces recaptured 31 checkpoint - Press Center #ATO
    pic.twitter.com/xxGU2uGfox

    VIDEO: Journalists escorted by Russian soldier running for cover in #Horlivka for ongoing shelling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfhAo7tdas

    Commander Russian Armed Forces (Vyaznikov) established new HQ at Soledar, closer to #Sloviansk http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/135926
    pic.twitter.com/iTcV24BHqC
    NOTE: this town where the Russians relocated to is next to a major Russian objective---Sloviansk


    Pictures from the battle today near Donetsk Airport. 8 Russian tanks/vehicles destroyed pic.twitter.com/VByj5Tl99A via @SputnikATO

    Daniele Monigatti @DMonigatti
    Kyiv verifying reports that militants used chemical weapons at Donetsk airport
    http://disq.us/8lvaky

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