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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Attempting to not be "anti-Russian" but here are statements from the Russian FM and small comments indicating the falsehoods.

    Prefect example of the Russian “altered state of reality” meaning if I recall the Russian FMs own statement just after he learned that Russian troops had shelled Mariupol killing 30 and wounding over 100 “we will do any solution that it takes to stop the conflict” Quote/Unquote:

    See anything that reflects that statement and his previous statement “the DNR through our influence will pull back to the Minsk demarcation lines”---see anything along those lines appearing lately? Right after
    His statement the DNR “declared war” and stated they will take the entire Donbas.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We hope that our Western partners and the US refrain from any moves that could make Kiev think the West supports all of its actions

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Confident that the peace process must be revived, we focus on steps to promote dialogue between Kiev and the self-defence fighters

    NOTE: Notice how now the Russian “separatists” are now “self defense fighters---whatever the heck that is defined as---Russian troops executing POWs and shelling civilians I guess does make them “self defense fighters” which is though a big stretch in the English language.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: As far as I know, contacts between them are expected to take place in the days to come. We seek to facilitate them

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They announced that their actions are aimed at destroying positions Ukrainian forces use to fire at residential areas

    NOTE: FM still does not recognize the fact that open source analysis has fully proven Russian troops and their mercenaries shelled two buses and civilians in Mariupol. This is called the Russian MH17 shuffle.

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It would be naïve to expect the militia to do nothing while their communities are shelled at the orders of the Ukrainian president

    NOTICE just how the Russian FM sidesteps the Russian supported shellings of two buses and civilians in Mariupol and NOTICE how he avoids the two statements by the DNR mercenary leader that he is in an offensive and that he declared “war” on the Ukraine? NOTICE how he provides absolutely no evidence of the Presidential "order".

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: In this situation, it would be naïve to expect any appeasing rhetoric from the other side #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Unfortunately, Kiev put the Berlin arrangement into question the very next day #Ukraine

    NOTE: another FM falsehood as their proposal to pull back 15kms was firmly anchored already in the Minsk Agreement PLUS the Ukrainians stated we will pull back when we see no shellings from the mercenaries and Russian troops as they had been in a previous unilateral ceasefire from Nov 2014 which initially had even a Russian signature that they then “recalled” whatever that means to them.

    AND during that unilateral ceasefire they were fired on over 600 times.
    Self evident--no need for comments:

    Russia's rational leader? RT: PUTIN: #Ukraine's army is a legion of #NATO used to deter Russia

    http://sputniknews.com
    pic.twitter.com/ktYnsAN0z6

    Zakharchenko has announced that "DNR" and "LNR" "are working on creating joint front line". @uatodaytv Smoke screen for #Russia'n advance.

    Tourist season in Donetsk. Part of the Chechen “Death” battalion, today guarding DNR leader Zakharchenko
    pic.twitter.com/RPE926GEvc

    Who says politics can't be fashionable?! Chechen fighter in #Donetsk sports Ramzan Kadyrov baseball cap. pic.twitter.com/Q3U4tRYyBG

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    Protests against mobilisation in Ukraine.

    Petrostal', Odesskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal1pvocdWs#t=27

    Genichesk, Khersonskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCvrFFiuxgU

    Belovodsk, Luganskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_23yyuf6fA

    As anyone could see there are no draftable males in the crouds, where are they, what do you think?

    ps. bonus vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqUcEn3x4c
    Draftable guy explains how he "hide under the bed" when military came after him and why he did so. (His motivation in short: "This war is bull$hit, it serves no national interests, I will not go to kill my brothers and compatriots")
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    mirhond, just curious. What do you think when Russia runs out of cossacks, nationalists, brainwashed citizens etc who travel to Donbass to fight against NATO fascist legions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Protests against mobilisation in Ukraine.

    Petrostal', Odesskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal1pvocdWs#t=27

    Genichesk, Khersonskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCvrFFiuxgU

    Belovodsk, Luganskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_23yyuf6fA

    As anyone could see there are no draftable males in the crouds, where are they, what do you think?

    ps. bonus vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqUcEn3x4c
    Draftable guy explains how he "hide under the bed" when military came after him and why he did so. (His motivation in short: "This war is bull$hit, it serves no national interests, I will not go to kill my brothers and compatriots")
    BLOG: MAJOR RUSSIAN DEFEAT near Debaltseve http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.co.uk/2...ebaltseve.html … pic.twitter.com/XtFyPXyKHj

    So far #Ukraine has killed & taken dog tags from #Russia soldiers from 21 of 36 existing Russian Army brigades... pic.twitter.com/qMnuLz8d8g

    Mirhond---think you might know this Russian FSB officer from the Crimea and eastern Ukraine

    Strelkov: "Over the past 4 months the army of Ukraine has strengthened threefold. They did not give up even after the defeat last summer

    Strelkov: "Advance of Novorossiya troops was stopped. We have huge losses. Our fight is hopeless. No troops to encircle Debaltsevo"

    Strelkov: "Junta increases flow of weapons, training more troops while militia has no officers. Avdeevka and Pisky are too strengthened

    Strelkov: "Novorossiya is great idea, but DPR and LPR are banana republics. Their leaders are junta."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Protests against mobilisation in Ukraine.

    Petrostal', Odesskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal1pvocdWs#t=27

    Genichesk, Khersonskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCvrFFiuxgU

    Belovodsk, Luganskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_23yyuf6fA

    As anyone could see there are no draftable males in the crouds, where are they, what do you think?

    ps. bonus vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqUcEn3x4c
    Draftable guy explains how he "hide under the bed" when military came after him and why he did so. (His motivation in short: "This war is bull$hit, it serves no national interests, I will not go to kill my brothers and compatriots")
    mirhond---looks like girkin was right after all

    #Lugansk terrorist confirm huge amount of loss. They claim to have 1000 surgeries in last 5 days! That's 8 per hour! http://youtu.be/twj0IAPTWuE

    "Welcome to hell" reads sign on DNR block post entering Horlivka. After months of fierce fighting the city today certainly looks like it.


    AND remember the 1994 Budapest Memorandum---check what was to be done with the 203mm Ukrainian Pion?

    #Russia'n tank after shelling of "Pion". pic.twitter.com/xxpX1GK474 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...lling-of-pion-
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Protests against mobilisation in Ukraine.

    Petrostal', Odesskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal1pvocdWs#t=27

    Genichesk, Khersonskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCvrFFiuxgU

    Belovodsk, Luganskaya obl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_23yyuf6fA

    As anyone could see there are no draftable males in the crouds, where are they, what do you think?

    ps. bonus vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqUcEn3x4c
    Draftable guy explains how he "hide under the bed" when military came after him and why he did so. (His motivation in short: "This war is bull$hit, it serves no national interests, I will not go to kill my brothers and compatriots")
    AND the sanctions are not hurting Russia?

    Russian Ambassador to France "In Order to de-Escalate in Donbas sanctions must be lifted" pic.twitter.com/ly44VY0JLP

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    mirhond---looks like girkin was right after all

    #Lugansk terrorist confirm huge amount of loss. They claim to have 1000 surgeries in last 5 days! That's 8 per hour! http://youtu.be/twj0IAPTWuE

    "Welcome to hell" reads sign on DNR block post entering Horlivka. After months of fierce fighting the city today certainly looks like it.

    AND remember the 1994 Budapest Memorandum---check what was to be done with the 203mm Ukrainian Pion?

    #Russia'n tank after shelling of "Pion". pic.twitter.com/xxpX1GK474 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...lling-of-pion-

    Donetsk: it's the place not to be! MT @mashant AFP in Debaltseve today saw 20 buses sent to evacuate people to DNR, 19 of them left empty.

    Evacuation to Donetsk. Empty buses. Guess what? Nobody wants to live in Russian world. pic.twitter.com/k9HkUX7TDL
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, just curious. What do you think when Russia runs out of cossacks, nationalists, brainwashed citizens etc who travel to Donbass to fight against NATO fascist legions?
    Why don't you ask about regular troops, are you perchance a heretic who reject an official credo of Russian invasion? SWJ inquisition has to keep an eye on you
    Newertheless, your question makes some sence and I personally believe separatist's cause is already fading in the Russian public eye and they have even more troubles reinforcing, but that is a mere speculation based on media noise and reading some blogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Why don't you ask about regular troops, are you perchance a heretic who reject an official credo of Russian invasion? SWJ inquisition has to keep an eye on you
    Newertheless, your question makes some sence and I personally believe separatist's cause is already fading in the Russian public eye and they have even more troubles reinforcing, but that is a mere speculation based on media noise and reading some blogs.
    one has to love your use of the English language--but anyway to the question of Russian involvement--just a few of the hundreds of reportings that have been verified --can provide another 100 together with photos and videos since August if you want them.

    As to media "noise":

    So far #Ukraine has killed & taken dog tags from #Russia soldiers from 21 of 36 existing Russian Army brigades... pic.twitter.com/qMnuLz8d8g
    BMP-2 in #Vuhlehirsk, Ukraine and before in #Kamensk-Shakhtinsk,

    Russia.http://youtu.be/CJm5bjM3Z5c?t=1m30s … pic.twitter.com/hSEPASIcHN
    Kamaz 43269 from #Russia|n military Intelligence unit h/66431 spotted in #Debaltseve #Ukraine
    http://youtu.be/FPlIzHEnf70?t=6m32s … pic.twitter.com/l7yrq5kn3y

    #Russian APC BPM-97 #Vystrel #302 taking part in terrorist attack on #Debaltseve
    http://youtu.be/FPlIzHEnf70?t=6m34s … pic.twitter.com/Ojjit6OI7B

    Convoy of Russian self-propelled artillery in Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/6-febru...ery-in-donetsk … pic.twitter.com/VJmFbdrulC

    Tactical signs and H2200 markers of Russian tanks are now sprayed with paint. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlIzHEnf70 … #Debaltseve pic.twitter.com/PYFmPkxtgJ

    #Russia|n Mechanized Infantry fighting around #Debaltseve. Modern Russian vehicles present.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlI...utu.be&t=6m34s

    Ukraine has been the testbed of the new Russian army. Interesting expert comment from @chathamhouse http://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/c...BI3M9E,BCX08,1

    AND let's not even get into the shelling by Russian troops and or their supported mercenaries of civilians (over 60 killed) which has been verified by open source analysis and the OSCE.
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    Whatever happened in the Maidan, Kiev on February 20th 2014 will always be controversial. Who shot down the protestors (who were not pacifists) is one issue, but who started the shooting is now examined by the BBC:
    A day of bloodshed on Kiev's main square, nearly a year ago, marked the end of a winter of protest against the government of president Viktor Yanukovych, who soon afterwards fled the country. More than 50 protesters and three policemen died. But how did the shooting begin? Protest organisers have always denied any involvement - but one man told the BBC a different story.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31359021
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    Big news of course in the last days:

    IMF announces $17.5bn loan for Ukraine and a 'fragile' peace deal.

    We will see how the latter plays out. Possibly the threat of large weapon supplies worked or the threat of more Russian troops in Ukraine or maybe both. It is really impossible to tell at the moment.



    Merkel was quite on the move in the last days...
    ... "We need officers capable of following systematically the path of logical argument to its conclusion, with disciplined intellect, strong in character and nerve to execute what the intellect dictates"

    General Ludwig Beck (1880-1944);
    Speech at the Kriegsakademie, 1935

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    Default We deal with the Russia we have, not the Russia we’d like to have

    A phrase taken from Sir John Sawers, the former head of MI6 (SIS), in his lecture @ Kings War Studies:http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ers-mi6-europe

    Ukrainians look to us to help them have their chance to embrace the order and values we enjoy here in modern Europe. We and they may end up with a new debilitating frozen conflict in Ukraine, well into the future. That is a wretched outcome for Ukrainians. But it may be the least bad attainable outcome.”


    Sawers said efforts by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, to restore calm deserved the west’s full support. He added: “Once we have calm – if we have calm – we’ll need a new approach to co-existence with president Putin’s Russia.

    The convergence between Russia and the west which we had hoped for after the cold war won’t happen while he is in charge. We now know that. Any foreseeable change of power in Russia may well be for the worse. Managing relations with Russia will be the defining problem in European security for years to come.
    The full speech is available:http://www.kcl.ac.uk/sspp/department...F-SECURITY.pdf
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    Default Life in Crimea: One year on from Russia's takeover

    John Simpson, the BBC's senior foriegn reporter, has been in the Crimea and has a report. I expect a longer TV report will appear soon. Nothing startling:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31869747
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    Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, once proud prince of Dnepropetrovskaia obl., master of a personal army - "Dnepr" batallion, have fled Ukraine after his goons lost the ground in the war on property against oligarch #1 P. Poroshenko.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-...l?flavour=full
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    Felix, nice avatar

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    Ukrainian democracy at work:

    http://divannaya-sotnya.com.ua/prote...bnd-u-lob.html

    До 8-ми років ув`язнення за розірваний портрет Порошенка загрожує громадському активісту Юрію Хорту, який 6 грудня, під час протестів у Вінниці привселюдно розірвав портрет нинішнього Президента України, Петра Порошенка.
    An activist might go to jail for 8 years for tearing down a portrait of Poroshenko in the public.
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    Journalist assasinated in Kiev
    http://ru.tsn.ua/foto/poyavilis-perv...18-420984.html

    Oles' Buzina, opposition journalist and blatantly pro-Russian writer shot dead near his home 16 Apr. One might think that sindle dead journalist does not make much difference, but, according to internet lore he was in the list of "Enemies of the Ukrainian people"

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/

    along with several other now dead guys considered to be enemies of the state. I failed to find him in the list, but other executed "enemy"

    http://ru.tsn.ua/kyiv/v-kieve-ubili-...mi-420796.html

    - Kalashikov Igor Ivanovich, anty-Maidan activist and former member of "Regions party", who have been shot just one day before Buzina, is right there

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/kalashn...leg-ivanovich/

    Some entries are wery informative and tell everything about a person, like adress, phone, net profile, jobs and so on.
    Looks like vigilante firing squads know the drill well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Journalist assasinated in Kiev
    http://ru.tsn.ua/foto/poyavilis-perv...18-420984.html

    Oles' Buzina, opposition journalist and blatantly pro-Russian writer shot dead near his home 16 Apr. One might think that sindle dead journalist does not make much difference, but, according to internet lore he was in the list of "Enemies of the Ukrainian people"

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/

    along with several other now dead guys considered to be enemies of the state. I failed to find him in the list, but other executed "enemy"

    http://ru.tsn.ua/kyiv/v-kieve-ubili-...mi-420796.html

    - Kalashikov Igor Ivanovich, anty-Maidan activist and former member of "Regions party", who have been shot just one day before Buzina, is right there

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/kalashn...leg-ivanovich/

    Some entries are wery informative and tell everything about a person, like adress, phone, net profile, jobs and so on.
    Looks like vigilante firing squads know the drill well.

    come on mirhond it is just the GRU "cleaning up loose ends" and even you know that-----when there is no one from the past to talk then who can complain it was Russia behind the Maidan killings---right--surprised Girkin is still alive and well these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    I believe Enlish isn't your native tongue, and Aristotelian logic is not your forte, otherwise I can't explain what part of "blatantly pro-Russian" phrase you do not understand or how do you came to your outlandish conclusions.
    comrade mirhond--again another pure example of writing before one really reads the single simple statement I wrote but then again you have been doing that since the shot down of MH17 and always wrong especially when you supported the "rights of religious Cossacks" to loot the bodies of the passengers-right?

    think about it--the former proRussian Ukrainian President who fled his own country without even telling the Party of Regions or Moscow--remember he fled and was not overthrown AND even his own party voted to remove him but hey it was a "junta takeover right"?

    AND he fled with 27 kilos of gold, 150MILLION in US 100 dollar bills and 30BILLION USDs is missing from the Ukrainian national budget and the recently received Russian loan of 3B--he committed one of the greatest thefts at the national level of any country in history outside of Russia would you not agree??

    hey mirhond I would flee to would not you??.

    NOW it is strange that all those associated directly to and directly under him are somehow committing suicide????

    NOW who is tying up loose ends---the GRU or Ukrainians that would rather put them in front of a court and in jail for years??

    think about it before you respond next time and use your spell check

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    I'am digging deeper in the "Traitors and enemies list"
    this particular entry is wonderful:

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/maslova-olga-viktorovna/

    Maslova Olga Viktorovna, member of a volunteer organisation "Piblic kitchen", rebels helpmate.

    Possibly hundreds of entries are copy-pasted from Minisry of Internal Affairs site, like this one:
    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/pytel-olga-semenovna/

    original entry from MIA site:
    http://mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/invest...on?ID=51292260

    Регіон (орган внутрішніх справ): УВД Г.Б-ДНЕСТРОВСКА ОДЕССКОЙ ОБЛ.
    Категорія: ОСОБА, ЯКА ПЕРЕХОВУЄТЬСЯ ВІД ОРГАНІВ ДОСУДОВОГО РОЗСЛІДУВАННЯ
    Прізвище: ПЫТЕЛЬ
    Ім'я: ОЛЬГА
    По батькові: СЕМЕНОВНА
    Дата народження: 11.05.1963
    Стать : Ж
    Стаття звинувачення: СТ.190 Ч.3
    Запобіжний захід: ПОСТАНОВА СУДУ ПРО ДОЗВІЛ НА ЗАТРИМАННЯ З МЕТОЮ ПРИВОДУ
    Місце зникнення: ОДЕССКАЯ, Б.-ДНЕСТРОВСКИЙ
    Дата зникнення: 20.03.2008
    Pytel Olga Semenovna, accused for a large scale fraud.

    Dissidents also mentioned:

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/zagulsk...ga-bogdanovna/

    Сепаратистка. Провокаторша.
    Работает преподавателем в Львовском национальном университете им. И.Франко, ведет открыто пропагандистскую деятельность, публично поддерживает т.н. «ДНР» и «ЛНР»
    Zagulskaya Olga Bogdanovna, Separatist, provocator, rebels supporter. Instructor in the L'vov Univercity. (Enemies are deeply rooted in Ukrainian society, as you see, much work must be done)

    Rebels girlfriends are also considered enemies of the people, that's completely natural:
    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/cygankova-olga/

    What a revolutionary fervour! Society must be cleansed of any suspicious and unhealthy elements - that's a real bolshevik's stile!
    Felix Ferreus probat.

    Some real enemies are listed also:
    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/kulygina-olga-ivanovna/

    Kulygina Ol'ga Ivanovna - scientist, jornalist and FSB agent, get caught and later exchanged for 17 Ukr. POWs.

    ps. All females are Olga's - that's because I've searched by name for particular Ol'ga.
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