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    nation moves from Communism to the rule of law and good governance.
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    World Rule of Law Index:
    http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/#table
    Ukraine: 68
    Russia 80
    Denmark 1
    US 19

    World Freedom of Speech Index:
    http://en.rsf.org/index2014/en-eastern-europe.php

    (annual change)
    Ukraine 127 (-1)
    Russia 148 (0)
    Finland 1 (0)
    US 46 (-14)
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    mirhond, about hit lists. I'd like to remind you one episode from Zolotov's life. Zolotov is today head of Russia's interior troops.

    Two chiefs of Vladimir Putin's Federal Protection Service (FSO), Viktor Zolotov and General Murov, discussed how to kill the former director of Yeltsin's administration Alexander Voloshin.[17] They also made "a list of politicians and other influential Muscovites whom they would need to assassinate to give Putin unchecked power". However since the list was very long, Zolotov allegedly announced, "There are too many. It's too many to kill - even for us." An SVR officer who told about that story felt "uneasy" because FSO includes twenty thousand troops and controls the "black box" that can be used in the event of nuclear war.[1]
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge...igence_officer)

    Jamestown has review of his troops exercise "Zaslon" that took place this mont.

    http://www.jamestown.org/programs/ed...b#.VTN4mHBXerU

    About Nemtsov killing. Like Putin said 3 days ago FSB and MVD found out identity of hitmen in period of 24 to 36h. Who ordered killing? All tracks are going to Chechnya ...

    Как идёт следствие? Могу вам сказать, что буквально через день, полтора, может быть, максимум, следователям и ФСБ, и МВД уже были известны имена исполнителей. Вопрос был только в том, где и как их арестовать.
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    World Rule of Law Index:
    http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/#table
    Ukraine: 68
    Russia 80
    Denmark 1
    US 19

    World Freedom of Speech Index:
    http://en.rsf.org/index2014/en-eastern-europe.php

    (annual change)
    Ukraine 127 (-1)
    Russia 148 (0)
    Finland 1 (0)
    US 46 (-14)
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    Who wants to turn Kyiv into another Donetsk?18.04.15 | Halya Coynash

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    While the western media present any talk of Russian involvement in recent high-profile killings as the ‘Kyiv version’, like the ‘Kremlin version’ of Boris Nemtsov’s murder, it is by no means only Ukrainian politicians who are expressing concerns which, if warranted, would have seriously frightening implications.

    The question in the title was asked by prominent journalist Denis Kazansky in considering who might be behind the murder of journalist Oles Buzina and politician Oleh Kalashnikov in Kyiv last week. The same thought was expressed most starkly by Telekritika Chief Editor Natalya Ligacheva who called the murders “descent into horror and chaos. Everybody was preparing for the renewal of military action by Russia in Donbas, ”, she says, “but the horror came to Kyiv. You get the impression that a pantheon of “victims of the bloody Kyiv junta’ is being created.”

    The killings have been very widely reported in the world media. Some even report the suggestion that Russia could be behind them, but call this the Kyiv government’s version. Like the Moscow version and the treatment by pro-Kremlin media of the killing in February of Kremlin critic Boris Nemtsov.

    Answers are few, but the suspicions are by no means only aired by Ukrainian politicians. If any part of them is justified, then it is not only individual pro-Russian politicians or journalists who have very real grounds for concern.

    Oleh Kalashnikov had largely slipped out of the public eye after well-deserved notoriety in 2010 when, as a ruling Party of the Regions MP, he attacked a woman journalist, then later because of his role in organizing the titushki or paid thugs used by the regime of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych. Oles Buzina was certainly well-known in Ukraine for his very strongly anti-Ukrainian position and a particularly scandalous work about the Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, but more recently, aside from a very brief spell as Chief Editor of Segodnya, he was much more visible in Moscow because of the frequent interviews he gave.

    The two men were both shot dead within around 12 hours of each other. Buzina was murdered in the early afternoon of April 16 during Russian President Vladimir Putin’s televised phone-in interview. Vitaly Sych, Chief Editor of New Times [Novoye Vremya] was also asked for his reaction to the killings. He pointed out that “Russian President Vladimir Putin wasn’t surprised for a second during a live broadcast when he was informed that famous journalist Oles Buzina had been killed in Kyiv. He immediately began talking about how all Russians of course know Buzina, etc. And he was informed virtually instantaneously. Here we were sitting and not wanting to publish the news without confirmation. The confirmation had come literally 10 minutes earlier, yet Putin was immediately informed in a live broadcast with no question as to whether he should be told”.

    Another report says that 23 minutes had elapsed since the first report by the Ukrainian news agency. Still not a lot given the amount of misinformation being circulated at the moment in both Ukraine and Russia, and the understandable fear Russian officials would have felt at misleading their President..

    In the early hours of Friday morning, letters were received by political analyst Volodymyr Fesenko and the Opposition Bloc [made up of former members of Yanukovych’s Party of the Regions]. A group calling itself the Ukrainian Insurgent Army [UPA] claimed responsibility not only for the killings of Kalashnikov and Buzina, but also for the deaths of former Yanukovych associates Mykhailo Chechetov, Oleksandr Peklushenko and Stanislav Melnyk. The police have stated that all three men committed suicide, and at least in Chechetov’s case his apparent suicide note had been made public. The Opposition Bloc held a press conference later on Friday regarding the threats and the statement in the letter that the MPs had 72 hours to leave the country.

    They say that the anonymous email also threatens to begin killing members of the government “who have not brought in martial law, have not declared war with Russia and have not broken off diplomatic and trading relations with the occupier”.

    Ukraine’s SBU [Security Service] has called the letter a fake, pointing to the Russian turns of phrases in the letter which would certainly be strange from an extreme nationalist Ukrainian organization, and to various other discrepancies.

    Fesenko himself wrote that some of the ‘proof’ of their involvement given in the letter simply strengthens his suspicion that the Russian Security Service could be behind the killings – even if the direct killers had no idea that they were being used.

    None of this would be new. There were strong suspicions about the uses being made of various right-wing parties under the Yanukovych regime, as well as how much some, like the leaders of the ‘Svoboda’ party were collaborating for their own ends.

    Claims that there had been warnings a month earlier about an attempt on Buzina’s life have been criticized by Anton Shekhovtsov, a researcher into right-wing movements, who believes the texts cited as proof of this in fact emerged after the killing. He also points out that he had heard of a marginal group calling itself UPA in 2014.

    The existence of such a group would not necessarily explain the professionalism with which two well-known figures were gunned down in Ukraine’s capital city, Buzina in broad daylight. If the group really was behind all five deaths, then why were the first three presented as suicides?

    It would also not explain certain other aspects of the killings put most cogently by Denis Kazansky, Chief Editor of Fourth Power.

    “Buzina’s murder is virtually a carbon copy of Boris Nemtsov’s murder. And in my opinion the motive is clear – to have a mirror image of a high-profile political killing in Ukraine which you can wave about to the world.

    An opposition figure was killed during the day in the centre of the capital of our country? You also had an opposition figure killed in the centre of the capital.

    We have repression? So do you.

    In our country the killing was from a car with Chechen number plates? In your country it was from a car with Lithuanian number plates.

    You don’t believe that Nemtsov was a ‘sacrificial lamb’? Then don’t say that Buzina was such.”

    Kazansky was giving his point of view within an hour or so of the killing. He said then that he did not believe that Buzina had been killed by nationalists, and even less for his anti-Maidan position. Buzina had irritated people for more than 10 years, he added. If anybody was going to kill him it would have been for his book on Shevchenko.

    In the above-mentioned article ‘Who has an interest in turning Kyiv into Donetsk?’, Kazansky considers three versions: he repeats his initial scepticism regarding the radical group version then considers two other possibilities.

    The second is ‘the Kremlin’ which he calls a collective concept including Chechen leader and Putin protégé Ramzan Kadyrov; the so-called ‘Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics’ “and all other Kremlin tentacles. The Kremlin has any number of motives. Destabilisation of the situation in Ukraine; mirroring commissioned political murders in Russia itself; blackening the country’s leaders; and propping up the propaganda myth about the terrible Kyiv fascists. Or, most likely, all of these together.”

    He notes the reactions, for example, from Kremlin-backed militant leader Alexander Zakharchenko, that seem to have been prepared in advance. Zakharchenko’s prediction of more killings, he says, raises the question of whether maybe Zakharchenko is planning to carry them out.

    He calls the third version the most ‘exotic’ but worthy of being heard. This is that the murders would be useful to the Party of the Regions who could thus raise the rating of pro-Kremlin forces and mobilize their electorate for the local elections due in 2015.

    The trouble with such plans is that, even if we assume that people are capable of such a terrifying disregard for human life, the supposed increase in popularity is hard to see as the only possible way the situation could develop.

    There have been stern calls for a proper investigation into these killings. How adequately Ukraine’s leaders deal with this task remains to be seen, but on this occasion there can be no excuse for lack of political will.

    There is one conclusion which Kazansky presents as irrefutable.

    “Whoever killed Kalashnikov and Buzina hurt first and foremost Ukraine. Whoever the slain were, their death has brought the country no benefit because bloody corpses on the street do not enhance any world city, and most definitely not European Kyiv”.

    That indeed is not in question.
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    Dear mirhond, take a look at your enemies and traitors list post. Just for you couple Kremlin orchestrated versions in Russian about Nemtsov killers.

    http://www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/...5533-nemcov-0/

    http://izvestia.ru/news/583616#ixzz3TJ6jKhcX

    https://versia.ru/ochevidicu-ubijstv...-nalivajchenko
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    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...in-donbas.html

    Sunday, April 19, 2015

    Russian Who Went to Fight in Donbas Says He was ‘Not in an Army but in a Criminal Band’

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, April 19 – Bondo Dorovskikh, a Russian businessman, volunteered to go to Ukraine to “fight fascism” and defend “the Russian idea;” but he says he rapidly discovered the situation in the Donbas was not as he had been led to expect and that he had been enrolled “not in an army but in a criminal band.”

    His testimony on this point, given in a 3,000-word interview with Radio Liberty, provides both a frightening glimpse into the world of the pro-Moscow statelets in southeastern Ukraine and an encouraging indication that ever more Russians are appalled not only by what officials there are doing but also by what Moscow is saying (svoboda.org/content/article/26963666.html).

    “I really thought,” Dorovskikh said, “that Russia was in danger, that mercenaries were fighting there and trying to seize our country, that the Donbas is Russia’s advance post where we must stand and defend our interests. Only having crossed the border did we see literally within the first five minutes” that this was not the case.

    Russian television exerted a powerful influence on him, the former volunteer says. Had it not presented its version of reality, he would never have thought of going to the Donbas to fight. Now, he said, he recognizes how distorted an account it offered and offers about events in Ukraine.

    His recruitment to the Donbas cause was simple; indeed, he said he was shocked that there was no more checking about the people who signed up than there was. “More than that, there were cases when someone with a Xerox copy of documents” but not the real ones crossed the border.” Once in the Donbas itself, no one asked more than one’s name.

    The organizers handed out guns without any particular checking of the abilities of those to whom they were given, Dorovskikh continued. They handed out the guns only on Ukrainian territory, but the division of volunteers into the various forces such as the Specter Brigade into which he went took place in Russia, in Rostov oblast.

    In that brigade,he said there were “several Russian cadres officers, but most of the band members were local people, with only ten to 30 percent consisting of volunteers from Russia. Some of the band members sold their weapons for cash; others apparently used them for the same end. But still others seemed very interested in learning how to fight.

    Neither the hierarchies of the DNR or LNR were especially happy with independent battalions like the one he was in nor were the ordinary people in the areas in which they operated. One woman, for example, told Dorovskikh “We don’t need Putin; [and] we don’t want to be in Russia.”

    Most of the people in his band, he continued, were indifferent to politics. Many of them had criminal backgrounds; and those that did devoted a great deal of time to searching out for former militiamen, perhaps for revenge. In all things, “they were far from politics” and were interested only in having an adventure or engaging in violence.

    As far as the future is concerned, he said, “if Russia had not gotten involved, [the self-proclaimed republics] wouldn’t have happened. Russia is inclined to support this movement further and therefore the fighters will hold on for a long time yet.”

    Dorovskikh said he “would advise people not to go to the Donbas. This is false patriotism. There is no Russia there. Instead, what is going on is real aggression. More than that, if you go, you will simply become part of a band.” Any volunteer would certainly not have anything to do with “defending the Motherland.”

    Russians have been shown on television something that looks like the Great Fatherland War,” he said. But in reality, the conflict in Ukraine is “real aggression. We came to this territory, and the Russian authorities are supporting terror. If we hadn’t gone there, if Russia hadn’t gotten involved, there wouldn’t have been thousands of dead.”

    “In general,” he concludes, “there wouldn’t have been any of this” in Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Dear mirhond, take a look at your enemies and traitors list post. Just for you couple Kremlin orchestrated versions in Russian about Nemtsov killers.
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    Meanwhile, spring draft company will probably be full of surprises:

    http://www.0542.ua/news/797093

    В Сумах продолжается призывная весенняя кампания. Правда, ее результаты уже сейчас печальные. По состоянию на 14 апреля, 90% призывников не явились в военкомат по повестке. Об этом сообщил военный комиссар г. Сумы Юрий Полоус.
    90% of the draftees in Sumy town (North-East of Ukraine) failed to report to duty in a recruitment office, commissar says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
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    Meanwhile, spring draft company will probably be full of surprises:

    http://www.0542.ua/news/797093



    90% of the draftees in Sumy town (North-East of Ukraine) failed to report to duty in a recruitment office, commissar says.

    Sunday, April 19, 2015

    Kremlin’s Five Top Lies Last Week about Ukraine
    Paul Goble


    Staunton, April 19 – As it has taken to doing, Kyiv’s “Delovaya stolitsa” newspaper publishes today a list of “the top five propagandistic myths, fakes and stupidities of the Kremlin” for the past week. Obviously, given the barrage of Moscow’s lies about Ukraine, these lists are highly selective, but they are also extremely instructive.

    This week’s “TOP-5” list, compiled by Dmitry Bukovsky, contains the following items (dsnews.ua/politics/top-5-propagandistskih-mifov-feykov-i-glupostey-kremlya-19042015100000):

    1. Aleksandr Zakharchenko, the Moscow-installed leader of the self-proclaimed DNR, repeated his claim that his “’forces’” are about to attack the Ukrainian city of Mariupol and said they would take it “without serious resistance” (bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-15/gunfire-in-donetsk-republic-as-leader-refuses-unity-with-ukraine). The DNR head has made this threat before, and his “’forces’” have found it hard to advance anywhere. They would certainly face resistance in Mariupol. The only reason this is a matter of concern is that it was reported by a Western news agency in an uncritical way.

    2. The Moscow newspaper “Gazeta” reported that Greece’s defense minister had told journalists that “the Greek population in Crimea had been subject to attacks by the fascist government of Ukraine, and the presence of Russian forces became a defense for Greek families” (gazeta.ru/politics/2015/04/17_a_6643361.shtml). The Greek embassy in Kyiv says the minister never said that and that in any case there were no such problems. What is disturbing is that this made-up statement was carried by a ordinarily much-respected Moscow paper and may be taken on faith by its readers in Russia and elsewhere.

    3. Igor Martynov, who heads the Russian occupation office in Donetsk, says that he plans to restore that “’capital of ‘the DNR’ to is former status as ‘the city of a million roses,’” something that he almost certainly cannot afford to do and a step that could only be taken if the regime shifted funds away from the people for this stunt (nahnews.org/206595-vlasti-donecka-zaseyut-gorod-millionami-roz/?utm_source=novoross&utm_medium=vk&utm_campaign=no voross). “The separatists have money,” Bukovsky says, “but not for the support of the poor.”

    4. Despite claims by DNR officials, there have been no pitched battles between units of the Armed forces of Ukraine and Ukrainian “’volunteer’ punitive battalions,” a claim pro-Moscow groups have put out in the past in the hopes of provoking them or leading Kyiv to disarm and disband these units (voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/12286-nacgvardiya-otstrelivaet-ukrainskih-dobrovolcev.html).

    5. And in a theme that Soviet and now Russian propagandists have not been able to resist, the ‘Russian Force” website has claimed that “’four American soldiers raped two [Ukrainian] underage girls” (tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201504170946-hpud.htm). The Russian site despite a complete lack of evidence reported that local people had protested and forced Ukrainian officials to investigate. The latter concluded, the Russian site says, that the Americans were guilty but could do nothing because of the soldiers’ supposed “full diplomatic immunity.”
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    Saturday, April 18, 2015

    Aid Can’t Reach Siberian Fire Victims Because All Transport ‘Being Used for the Donbas’

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, April 18 – In a clearer indication of Moscow’s priorities than Vladimir Putin’s speeches and of Russia’s difficulties at home than Moscow TV, St. Petersburg activists who have collected three tons of humanitarian aid for fire victims in Khakasia have been told by officials that there are no vehicles available because “everything is going for the Donbas.”

    In a note posted on Kasparov.ru today, Yury Merezhko reports that the Vesna youth organization in the northern capital has on its own collected “about three tons of humanitarian assistance for those suffering from fires in Khakasia” but there is “no transport” available to get it there (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=5531E95BA111A).
    No one in the group has the funds for moving so much aid 5,000 kilometers and so its members turned to the local office of the emergency situations ministry. They responded, he says, with the following words: “there are no machines. None at all. Everything is going for the Donbas. But we of course will think about what could be done.”

    Merezhko says that he fully understands that the situation in the Donbas is not an easy one. “But. First of all,Khakasia is in fire right now, it is our country, and the Donbas all the same isn’t, however much some may want it to be.” Once again, history is being “repeated: Russia is helping “everyone except its own citizens.”

    And there is a second reason for concern, he continues. If the emergency situations ministry is so strapped when it comes to transportation, what might happen in St. Petersburg if something terrible occurred there. Could the authorities respond? Or would then simply blame things on “opposition arsonists” and then do nothing.

    “I don’t know what to do,” the activist says. “I have only one thought: to raise a stink in the media to bring this attention to the very top and perhaps at least the leadership of our city will remember than ‘we don’t sacrifice Russians’” – even if that is what appears to be going on in this and many other cases as well.
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    Been away the last few hours and recent posts do not add to the debate here. Yes, everyone has a point of view, many questions remain unanswered and there is a profusion of information available - which is not easily available to SWC readers.

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    Road police unit complains of doing infantry job:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=131&v=NF9GQSAin68

    in short: entire police unit have been put to the frontline, without any armour or combat support for the crime of messing with paratroopers from L'vov, whom claimed to be plundering rich houses in Luganskaia settlement, which is situated near the frontline. Literally, donut eaters have been penalised for doing their job.
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    Another "enemy of the people"

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/vasileva-arina/



    Вместе с матерью, Татьяной Васильевой, активно сотрудничает с террористами с момента захвата ими г. Краматорска. В настоящее время (осень 2014) находится в г. Донецк. С детства страдает болезнью Шляттера-Осгута и диффузным зобом.
    Vasil'eva Arina, terrorists supporter, armed and deadly teenage girl with Osgood–Schlatter and Graves' disease.
    She gives me shivers, thanks gawd Iam not her enemy, it would be the worst nightmare

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    one more "enemy"

    https://psb4ukr.org/criminal/?cf[name]=%D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9&cf[country]=&cf[address]=&cf[phone]=&cf[desc]=

    Shariy Anatoliy. his crime is Ukrainophobia

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    Corection of a previous post: guys on video are not road police, but former members of paramilitary police batallion "Shakhtarsk" which has been disbanded last year for marauding and looting..

    http://www.unian.net/politics/997124...va-avakov.html

    but their top dog is still the same - already mentioned here before petty criminal Ruslan Abal'maz, who lost his illegal coal mining Geschaft to rebels.
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    mirhond, my friend, have you seen in Moscow streets Strelkov and Kozytsin, who as шестерки, set Donbas in fire? Strelkov gives lectures in Russian universities at the time, when Dutch police wants to ask questions from him about Boeing. Girl is just victim of activities of Putin-siloviki-Strelkov- Babai etc chain. I'm sad saying this. Did you read Dmitirev's report? All signs show that Putin and Co are just fooling you after the end of 2 trillion usd oil/gas boom during last 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, my friend, have you seen in Moscow streets Strelkov and Kozytsin, who as шестерки, set Donbas in fire? Strelkov gives lectures in Russian universities at the time, when Dutch police wants to ask questions from him about Boeing. Girl is just victim of activities of Putin-siloviki-Strelkov- Babai etc chain. I'm sad saying this. Did you read Dmitirev's report? All signs show that Putin and Co are just fooling you after the end of 2 trillion usd oil/gas boom during last 15 years.
    1. No I haven't and I don't care. Why should I, in the first place?
    2. Putin is fooling me personally? Wow, I'am flattered by such an honor. Although, I'd like to read your explanation of a public "hit list" openly supported by Ukrainian government officials, like deputy and MIA counsellor Anton Gerashchenko:

    http://www.unian.net/society/1029726...-boevikov.html

    ps. you are not my friend
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    mirhond, you are my firend. Take this like one sided love

    You call this hit list, but this comment under your link says something different.

    «Эти списки будут доказательством развязывания агрессивной войны Путиным на будущем Международном трибунале по преступлениям России в Украине», - добавил Антон Геращенко.
    http://www.unian.net/society/1029726...-boevikov.html

    This list will be used as evidence in future international tirbunal of Russian crimes in Ukraine against Putin, who started aggressive war.
    This is open source investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    1. No I haven't and I don't care. Why should I, in the first place?
    2. Putin is fooling me personally? Wow, I'am flattered by such an honor. Although, I'd like to read your explanation of a public "hit list" openly supported by Ukrainian government officials, like deputy and MIA counsellor Anton Gerashchenko:

    http://www.unian.net/society/1029726...-boevikov.html

    ps. you are not my friend
    comrade mirhond let us see the current price increases due to the sanctions that you are right now paying so in effect yes you are Putin's friend because he got your prices raised without even asking you.

    meats, vegetables, fruit all now averaging between 32 and 54% more than before the sanctions--great going there Putin.

    and oh your normal salaries are now 9% less and JUST how many Russian employees and workers of state enterprises have lost their jobs because of Putin's actions???? thousands mirhond

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    1. No I haven't and I don't care. Why should I, in the first place?
    2. Putin is fooling me personally? Wow, I'am flattered by such an honor. Although, I'd like to read your explanation of a public "hit list" openly supported by Ukrainian government officials, like deputy and MIA counsellor Anton Gerashchenko:

    http://www.unian.net/society/1029726...-boevikov.html

    ps. you are not my friend
    comrade mirhond--your "Cossack" friends seem to have gone into the "Donbas coal mining business--what no coal left for them in Russia??"--care to comment????

    Epic video of Russian "volunteers" on "vacation" cleaning #Antratsyt controlled by #LPR from local Cossack "militia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA31FrHejy0

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, you are my firend. Take this like one sided love

    You call this hit list, but this comment under your link says something different

    This is open source investigation.
    I actually borrowed this term from you, and thanks, it fits perfectly, because at least two guys from the list are now history.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    comrade mirhond--your "Cossack" friends seem to have gone into the "Donbas coal mining business--what no coal left for them in Russia??"--care to comment????

    Epic video of Russian "volunteers" on "vacation" cleaning #Antratsyt controlled by #LPR from local Cossack "militia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA31FrHejy0
    Cool, I've never heard of those "Racoon" guys, they are probably doing good job cleansing Donbass from unreliable ragtag gangs. Or, may be they just remove competition, I don't care. What is clear - they are Orthodox freaks. One of the captured wears police insignia - if Racoons just shot him and dropped his corpse into a ditch - I like them.

    comrade mirhond let us see the current price increases due to the sanctions that you are right now paying so in effect yes you are Putin's friend because he got your prices raised without even asking you.
    What does it have to do with the topic? Ukraine: non-military aspects - in case you forgot where you are
    Last edited by mirhond; 04-22-2015 at 10:12 AM.
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