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    mirhond, thanks for correcting me

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    I actually borrowed this term from you, and thanks, it fits perfectly, because at least two guys from the list are now history.



    Cool, I've never heard of those "Racoon" guys, they are probably doing good job cleansing Donbass from unreliable ragtag gangs. Or, may be they just remove competition, I don't care. What is clear - they are Orthodox freaks. One of the captured wears police insignia - if Racoons just shot him and dropped his corpse into a ditch - I like them.



    What does it have to do with the topic? Ukraine: non-military aspects - in case you forgot where you are
    Previous comments fit nicely for Ukraine non military as the sanctions are a non military response to Russian aggression against Crimea and eastern Ukraine --plan and simple

    JUST as this does as it fits to the Russian propaganda being churned out daily in a non military fashion focused on the Ukraine and US

    Did notice through the use of the term Nazi and junta against the Ukraine has tapered off for awhile but is back again.

    BUT then what world is your cultural minister in these days???

    First Russian annexed Crimea under the guise of "protecting ethnic Russians" who were being threatened by "Nazi's" and a "Nazi junta" which was supported by the US, AND then the same argument for eastern Ukraine.

    THEN this month Russia holds a large Russian/European neo Nazi/radical right wing nationalist conference in St. Petersburg AND THEN this statement from the Russian Cultural Minister:

    Seems Russia cannot figure out what it really is ideologically speaking--left, right, or "fascist". NOW it even supports Hitler!!

    Medinsky: Molotov-Ribbentrop is far from “moral.” But in terms of protecting govt interests, it was an outstanding success.

    Since when are Nazi's "protecting Russia???--great question mirhond maybe you can answer that one??

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    comrade mirhond---care to comment as it appears that Russia is still "dictating" what Ukrainians can and or cannot do.

    Last time I checked the Ukraine was a sovereign nation which can do as it wants to do regardless of what Russians assume they think Ukrainians "should be doing".

    NOTICE ABSOLUTELY no mention of Russian mercenaries, Russian contract, vacationing or regular troops inside the Ukraine nor the countless rail shipments of weapons, fuel and munitions ALONG with Russian troops into the Ukraine.

    Seems Lavrov "simply forgot that small problem"--but wait there are no Russians in the Ukraine they are all miners and truck drivers--forgot.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/790950?utm_...urce=ITAR-TASS

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    April 22, 12:40 UTC+3

    "We proceed from the understanding that Ukraine is our near neighbor and its people are fraternal," Russian Foreign Minister said

    MOSCOW, April 22. /TASS/. Ukraine must remain united, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in a live interview telecast by three radio stations on Wednesday.

    "We proceed from the understanding that Ukraine is our near neighbor and its people are fraternal," Lavrov said. "We would like to see people on the other side of the border to whom we have a very friendly attitude live a good life. For that Ukraine must stay united."

    "In order to keep Ukraine stable and friendly everybody should by all means avoid tearing it apart", Lavrov noted.

    "For this the stubborn intention to preserve unitarianism and to push ahead with ukrainization must be dropped," he said.

    "It is in our interests to not tear Ukraine apart, but to make it neutral in military-political terms," Lavrov said. "Its split will mean only one thing: NATO will go ahead with attempts to make Ukraine anti-Russian. We would like to see Ukraine united, but to stay united the commitment to decentralization must be honoured.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Seems Russia cannot figure out what it really is ideologically speaking--left, right, or "fascist". NOW it even supports Hitler!!
    Post in in the appropriate topic, and I'll answer you. You need some wrighting discipline.

    It's a free planet - any state has "right" to fu(k with neighbours ang get own balls rightfully kicked in response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Post in in the appropriate topic, and I'll answer you. You need some wrighting discipline.

    It's a free planet - any state has "right" to fu(k with neighbours ang get own balls rightfully kicked in response.
    you will not answer as you cannot answer--simple it is these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Post in in the appropriate topic, and I'll answer you. You need some wrighting discipline.

    It's a free planet - any state has "right" to fu(k with neighbours ang get own balls rightfully kicked in response.
    http://www.interpretermag.com/moscow...gengauer-says/

    Moscow Can’t Afford Having Donbass Become a Frozen Conflict, Felgengauer Says

    Paul Goble April 11, 2015

    Staunton, April 11 – Moscow can’t afford having the Donbass become a frozen conflict with an unrecognized state like Transnistria or Nagorno-Karabakh: its economy cannot exist independently and its population is far beyond the capacity of the Russian state to subsidize for very long, according to Pavel Felgengauer.

    The implications of the Moscow military analyst’s argument are that Moscow must seize more territory, force Kyiv or someone else to subsidize a population that the Russian government might try to keep under its control, or withdraw.

    But Felgengauer himself explicitly says that because Moscow cannot afford to finance a frozen conflict in the Donbass, no one should count on that happening or on Moscow’s fulfillment of the Minsk accords. Instead, he says, it is “almost inevitable” that Moscow will “restart military operations.”

    “If you believe Forbes, not long ago, it was proposed to Putin that he take the Donbass, but the Russian president said that he didn’t need it,” the analyst says, adding that he “believes that Putin really doesn’t need the Donbass in any form.”

    “Half of the Donbass would not be able to exist independently,” Felgengauer continues. Its economy is in ruins, its agricultural base is too small, its infrastructure is incapable of allowing that to happen, and its population, more than ten times that of Karabakh or Transnistria, is too large for Moscow to finance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Post in in the appropriate topic, and I'll answer you. You need some wrighting discipline.

    It's a free planet - any state has "right" to fu(k with neighbours ang get own balls rightfully kicked in response.
    comrade mirhond--more non military:


    Death Toll Rises to 29 in Khakasiya Fires; Amur Situation Worse with 12 New Fires http://bit.ly/1H87zdP pic.twitter.com/a3RnIM724W

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...e-victims.html

    Saturday, April 18, 2015

    Aid Can’t Reach Siberian Fire Victims Because All Transport ‘Being Used for the Donbas’

    Paul Goble


    Staunton, April 18 – In a clearer indication of Moscow’s priorities than Vladimir Putin’s speeches and of Russia’s difficulties at home than Moscow TV, St. Petersburg activists who have collected three tons of humanitarian aid for fire victims in Khakasia have been told by officials that there are no vehicles available because “everything is going for the Donbas.”

    In a note posted on Kasparov.ru today, Yury Merezhko reports that the Vesna youth organization in the northern capital has on its own collected “about three tons of humanitarian assistance for those suffering from fires in Khakasia” but there is “no transport” available to get it there (kasparov.ru/material.php?id=5531E95BA111A).
    No one in the group has the funds for moving so much aid 5,000 kilometers and so its members turned to the local office of the emergency situations ministry. They responded, he says, with the following words: “there are no machines. None at all. Everything is going for the Donbas. But we of course will think about what could be done.”

    Merezhko says that he fully understands that the situation in the Donbas is not an easy one. “But. First of all,Khakasia is in fire right now, it is our country, and the Donbas all the same isn’t, however much some may want it to be.” Once again, history is being “repeated: Russia is helping “everyone except its own citizens.”

    And there is a second reason for concern, he continues. If the emergency situations ministry is so strapped when it comes to transportation, what might happen in St. Petersburg if something terrible occurred there. Could the authorities respond? Or would then simply blame things on “opposition arsonists” and then do nothing.

    “I don’t know what to do,” the activist says. “I have only one thought: to raise a stink in the media to bring this attention to the very top and perhaps at least the leadership of our city will remember than ‘we don’t sacrifice Russians’” – even if that is what appears to be going on in this and many other cases as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Post in in the appropriate topic, and I'll answer you. You need some wrighting discipline.

    It's a free planet - any state has "right" to fu(k with neighbours ang get own balls rightfully kicked in response.
    and another "non military" that applies fully to the Ukraine and the Baltics by the way--

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...th-great-victo...

    Tuesday, April 21, 2015

    Putin Needs Both Great Victory and Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Ikhlov Says

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, April 21 – Vladimir Putin finds himself caught in a variety of paradoxes none more glaring than his simultaneous need to defend the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact by which the USSR became an ally of Nazi Germany and his need to celebrate the Great Victory over the Third Reich, according to Yevgeny Ikhlov.

    On the on the one hand, the Moscow commentator says, Putin needs the Great Victory because it completes the shift from a focus on communism as the explanation for the Soviet Union’s win to one on Stalin and his totalitarian system as the source of that triumph (vestnikcivitas.ru/pbls/3741).

    And on the other “and at the same time,” the Kremlin leader is prepared to defend with “all the authority of the Russian state” Stalin’s alliance with Hitler which is “delicately called ‘the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’” because “that pact for the first time legalized zones of Soviet influence” beyond the borders of the USSR and based on “continuity” with the Russian Empire.

    This is just one of the insights contained in Ikhlov’s article about the importance of mythologizing the past in a country like Putin’s Russia, one where “the weaker the institutions in the state are, the stronger must be the all-embracing mythology.” Indeed, his system is based on the idea that “the picture propaganda provides of the world is the only reality for the population.”

    Up to a point, this approach has served Putin well. It has “rooted Putinism in Russian political history.” But the problems begin when one tries to make that political history consistent, something that is virtually impossible without blatant falsification because various events point in so many contradictory and incompatible directions.

    And that in turn means, Ikhlov says, that “the more improvisations are introduced into this renewed cult, the stricter will be the struggle to ‘defend history from distortions and falsifications’ … There are many countries which have introduced punishments for denial of crimes against humanity … but there are only a few which [like Russia today] are criminalizing the unmasking of historic crimes.”

    The approaching celebration of Victory Day, of Russia’s attempt to take credit for the defeat of Nazism, highlights this “real schizophrenia” in Moscow’s position: “One should not call oneself the main victor over Hitlerism while being proud of the alliance with this same Hitlerism” at the start of Hitler’s war to “seize Europe.”

    There is a logic in each of the narratives, Ikhlov argues, but trying to bring them together into a single narrative is “impossible,” because “to be at one and the same time an anti-fascist, an anti-communist, and an anti-liberal in the contemporary understanding of the ideological spectrum cannot be done.”

    The only way it can be done, he suggests, is with “one’s own fascism,” or as Putin would put it “’the Russian world.’”

    But there is a deeper paradox and problem for Putin, Ikhlov says. It consists of the fact that Russian history consists of a series of “hermetically sealed periods,” each of which engages in the denial of its predecessor, as the late philosopher Aleksandr Akhizer pointed out a generation ago.

    That makes stability very difficult as does “the struggle of two competing directions” in each, “each of which offers mutually exclusively approaches to the overcoming of internal crises.” Typically, the leaders of a country must make a choice; Putin has been trying so far to avoid doing so.

    “Putinism’s difficulties began when it ceased to be simply ‘velvet Pinochetism,’ a regime of authoritarian modernization and began to convert itself into ‘an oprichnina,’ into market Stalinism,” Ikhlov says. That violated a chief requirement of myths: a certain consistency in their internal logic.

    According to the Moscow commentator, “isolationism and anti-Westernism require support in a messianic legend. But Orthodox fundamentalism remains too much an exotic phenomenon.” Moreover, it is dangerous because it contains within itself “a very strong anti-state attitude.”

    Moreover, “all the misfortune of Putinism” is that doctrines like “Moscow is the Third Rome” have the effect of “denying development and transforming life into an uninterrupted waiting for the end of the world.”

    That leaves Putin and Putinism with few options, Ikhlov argues. Indeed, the only one really available is the implementation of a 160-year-old tradition that was “aborted by Bolshevism – the development of right-wing fascism.”

    During that period, he says, Russia has moved “along a totalitarian arc: from radical-left form in the shape of Bolshevism with a gradual falling away from utopian pseudo-Marxist ideas to the side of right-wing totalitarianism which recognizes and cultivates obscurantism, chauvinism and petty private property.”

    This evolution, Ikhlov continues, has included “periods of black hundreds-style post-war Stalinism, the anti-market ‘left fascism’ of stagnation … and up to the current dawn of the Russian conservative revolution, the first conquests of which have already appeared in Crimea and ‘Novorossiya.’”

    “The evolution of totalitarianism from communism to fascist was broken off only three times – during the five years of the New Economic Policy, the decade of the thaw, and the ingloriously just concluded liberal-perestroika thirty year period.” It is now resuming with full force and with all its contradictions in play.

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    Default The chief fight is between Russia and the EU?

    From Australia's Lowy Institute a rather damming book review on the EU's role in the crisis. A couple of tasters:
    Though Brussels presented the ENP as nothing but altruism, idealism and geopolitical self-interest in fact coincided. But by playing the Ukrainian AA down as nothing more than a 'trade deal', the EU refused to acknowledge, let alone prepare for, any of its attendant risks. As policy towards a country as deeply fissured as Ukraine, it was a cruel gamble.
    It was also wishful thinking when it came to Russia.
    Link:http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/...conflict.aspx?

    It is a book from MIT Press and on the publisher's website has three reviews by Americans. Maybe those in Brussels have not read it.
    Link:http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/conflict-ukraine
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    20 Questions for Those Who Back Putin’s Aggression in Ukraine. Mirhond as sole open pro-Russian here and good knowledge of surroundings in Russia, could you answer those questions. Please don't pick question and answer all from 1-20. Asking kindly.

    “Why are Donetsk and Luhansk ‘Novorossiya,’ but when a passenger jet crashes in the this territory is instantly transformed into Ukraine?”

    “Mercenary activity is a crime in Russia. Why don’t ‘the militia men’ who come from Russia and are paid not fall under this provision of the law?”

    “The war is costing Ukraine several million dollars a day. It is logical to assume that it isn’t costing its opponent any less. Do you really think that Russia isn’t giving the so-called Novorossiya military and financial help?”

    “Why is it that everywhere where the militias liberate, there is war? … Why are the so-called punitive operations only where there are ‘militias’?”

    “Why must Ukraine hand over to band formations territories that legally belong to it? If the Ukrainian military doesn’t want to do this, does that make them punitive detachments?”

    Given the number of times Vladimir Putin has changed his story on Crimea, “is it possible to believe him now when he asserts that there are no Russian forces in the Donbas? If so, then why?”

    “How can one explain the fact” that Moscow has brought criminal charges against Russian citizens who are fighting for Ukraine but not against Russians who are fighting in Ukraine against the Ukrainian government?

    Do you consider the use by the militias of civilians as human shields something deserving of respect?

    How would you react if some American said as Igor Strelkov has that without an invasion, nothing much would have occurred?

    The Russian defense ministry has promised to provide five million rubles to the families of soldiers who “have died at the Ukrainian border.” “Are you not interested in why [the details of their deaths] are being hidden from you?”

    Given that Moscow disperses opposition meetings, how do you think Vladimir Putin would react if some group seized administration buildings and proclaimed the creation of its own statehood on Russian territory? : Would Putin take measures or perhaps sit down with the terrorists to negotiate” as he demands that Kyiv do?

    “Why does every Ukrainian patriot, who wears Ukrainian symbols, sings the Ukrainian humn, supports the unity of his country and speaks against separatism automatically become a Banderite and fascist? Under what article of the criminal code?”

    Are all pieces of evidence of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine, even those offered by Russian soldiers, forgeries produced in the West?

    “Comrade Putin frequently has declared that Russia is not a side in the conflict and that he personally respects and supports the territorial integrity of Ukraine. If that is really so, then why hasn’t Russia closed the border from its side so that volunteers (and not only they) from the Russian Federation do not have the opportunity to cross it in order to fight against the territorial integrity of Ukraine?”

    The Russian government last August explained the appearance of Russian troops in Ukraine by saying that they had crossed the border by mistake. “Do you really believe this? What would be your reaction if NATO soldiers ‘accidently became confused’ somewhere near Vladivostok?”

    “Why has Russia not once condemned the ‘Novorossiya’ militants and not once called ont hem to lay down their arms first? At the same time, officials of the Russian Federation have frequently called on Ukrainian soldiers to lay down their arms and leave the Ukrainian Donbas to the bandits. Why in all federal media is only one side given positive coverage?”

    How do you explain the fact that the forces of the DNR and LNR, hard-pressed as they were last August, suddenly “opened a new front in the direction of Mariupol and seized Novoazovsk? Who did this in fact: the forces of ‘the militias,’ whom the Ukrainian army had successfully contained or Russian soldiers without uniform markings who supposedly weren’t there?”

    Why does Belarus, so “close to Russia, support the territorial integrity of Ukraine and not agree with Putin’s imperialist plans? Why does Lukashenka, Putin’s ally in the Customs Union consider that there is no fascism as a mass phenomenon in Ukraine and say that it is necessary to destroy the militants fighting against Ukraine?”

    Do you believe Russian officials when they say that 12 Pskov soldiers did not die fighting in Ukraine but rather “by chance” died from heart attacks, suicides and accidents all at the same time?

    “What are the ‘Novorossiya’ militants fighting for and what is the use of what they are doing?”
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    "Azov" bat. crucify a rebel and set him on fire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXhDNTIUvg&app=desktop

    They have not nailed his foots to the cross, for some reason.

    you will not answer as you cannot answer--simple it is these days
    Well, You didn't even tried.

    Human beings are naturally inquisitive, so they often come up with questions about things they see or hear and often develop ideas (hypotheses) about why things are the way they are. The best hypotheses lead to predictions that can be tested in various ways, including making further observations

    Do not hesitate to experiment and check your predictions, reality won't punish you for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    "Azov" bat. crucify a rebel and set him on fire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXhDNTIUvg&app=desktop

    They have not nailed his foots to the cross, for some reason.



    Well, You didn't even tried.

    Human beings are naturally inquisitive, so they often come up with questions about things they see or hear and often develop ideas (hypotheses) about why things are the way they are. The best hypotheses lead to predictions that can be tested in various ways, including making further observations

    Do not hesitate to experiment and check your predictions, reality won't punish you for that
    comrade mirhond you have got to get better at this if you want to improve--

    the "so called" crucifixion video link you posted was IN FACT PROVEN AS A FAKE within twenty minutes of it's release by Life News by Ukrainian, UK and US social media open source analysts.

    Life News or what we like to call "Lie News" carried the video only one time and then never repeated it nor was it repeated anywhere else on Russian media AS IT WAS A REALLY BAD FAKE and you cannot keep a propaganda news cycle going when all know it is a fake.

    by the way you would have known if you research the concept of "fake crucifixion videos" that the Serbs were really good at that and used it in their killing/execution excesses in Bosnia.

    so mirhond you really do need to get better at this----

    BTW--the "fake video" comment of yours does not fit this thread as it was military and was being used against the Azov Regiment as military propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    "Azov" bat. crucify a rebel and set him on fire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXhDNTIUvg&app=desktop

    They have not nailed his foots to the cross, for some reason.



    Well, You didn't even tried.

    Human beings are naturally inquisitive, so they often come up with questions about things they see or hear and often develop ideas (hypotheses) about why things are the way they are. The best hypotheses lead to predictions that can be tested in various ways, including making further observations

    Do not hesitate to experiment and check your predictions, reality won't punish you for that
    comrade mirhond--care to comment????

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.de/...ons-about.html

    Sunday, April 26, 2015

    Kremlin’s ‘Top 5’ Misrepresentations about Ukraine This Week

    Paul Goble

    Staunton, April 26 – As he does each Sunday, Dmitry Bukovsky of Kyiv’s “Delovaya stolitsa” chooses from among the flood of Russian coverage about Ukraine “the top 5 propagandistic myths, fakes and stupidities” the Kremlin has committed over the course of the previous week (dsnews.ua/politics/top-5-propagandistskih-mifov-feykov-i-glupostey-kremlya-26042015110000).

    His selection for the past seven days includes the following:

    1. An effort by “Novorossiya” propagandists to claim that a Ukrainian sportswoman had devoted her victory to the “Donetsk Peoples Republic” fell flat when Kyiv officials point out that Ukraine is not affiliated with the athletic organization involved and that the individual who the Russians claimed had gone over to their side in fact had competed on a Russian team to begin with (novorossia.su/ru/node/17945).

    2. Russian propagandists again accused Ukrainian soldiers of having “crucified” a pro-Moscow militant. But on the basis of the video the Russians distributed, Bukovsky says, “even Pontius Pilate would have cried ‘I don’t believe it!’” The whole thing was so clearly staged that the actors had to cut things off at the decisive moment lest one of their number be hurt. The link Bukovsky uses no longer works, possibly an indication that even the authors of this play decided it was too much.

    3. Aleksandr Zakharchenko, the head of the self-proclaimed DNR, says that in order to counter what he calls “the methodical and intentional zombification” of Ukrainians, he and his colleagues are preparing “a cycle of broadcasts about what it fact is taking place in the Donbas” – as if, Bukovsky says, “the flood of refugees from the Donbas who have lost their jobs and apartments or had their possessions stolen by local bandits had somehow run out and we had nowhere to learn the truth.” The working title for these broadcasts is “Antidote,” the Kyiv journalist reports. “We are impatiently waiting for it.”

    4. The DNR has announced plans to create “a Museum of the Achievements of the Republic” on the basis of one of the exhibition centers of Donetsk. The self-proclaimed republic’s culture ministry says it wants to show all the things that the DNR has achieved in the last year, but there is a problem: many of the things that had been on display before the militants got there have been looted (dan-news.info/ukraine/v-donecke-budet-sozdan-muzej-dostizhenij-dnr-minkult.html and www.ostro.org/general/criminal/news/466558/).

    5. Russian outlets in occupied areas put out the story that Ukrainian military commanders were asking the officers of the militias to open fire on groups allied with the Ukrainians. According to pro-Moscow leaders, the reason was simple: the Ukrainians needed evidence that the militias and not Kyiv were violating the ceasefire (dan-news.info/defence/vsu-vyxodyat-po-otkrytym-kanalam-svyazi-na-oficerov-dnr-s-prosboj-otkryt-ogon-po-boevikam-azova-basurin.html).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    the "so called" crucifixion video link you posted was IN FACT PROVEN AS A FAKE within twenty minutes of it's release by Life News by Ukrainian, UK and US social media open source analysts.
    Nothing but your words and argument from anonimous authority against a low quality video - there is always room for a reasonable doubt, let me think - I choose video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Nothing but your words and argument from anonimous authority against a low quality video - there is always room for a reasonable doubt, let me think - I choose video.
    comrade mirhond--notice that you always state narratives???

    yet never answer anything????

    YET your support for the video is really really strange as it only played once and THEN disappeared from Russian media--wonder why???

    because it was a really badly produced "fake"--third year theater students in high school could have produced a better product and yet this was the FSB??

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    Ukraine’s military mobilization undermined by draft dodgers

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...9c9_story.html

    But those who shirk the call to duty — or go AWOL, as about 13,000 have — risk fines and years of jail time. In one recent case, a journalist speaking out publicly against the draft was charged with treason.

    But that isn’t enough to scare many potential draftees from dodging.

    “I would rather sit in prison for three years — and be fed and secure — than serve,” said Andrey, 26, a metal plant worker who was drafted in March. “After a whole year of this government, we still have to work for two days to buy a loaf of bread. I don’t want to go fight for that kind of government.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Ukraine’s military mobilization undermined by draft dodgers

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...9c9_story.html
    comrade mirhond you do realize this is the third attempt at the same narrative--can't find anything else???

    thought you would still keep defending the poor quality video??

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    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...ith-Kiev-mount

    "But by that time, we may have lost our industrial base. Ukraine had positions in aviation, space industry, and we were a big arms producer. All of it depended heavily on the Russian market. The way things are going, a one-time great industrial power is going to end up joining Europe as an agricultural country."

    But Mr. Kirsch, the only member of the prime minister's party to get elected in the entire eastern Ukraine, says these industries are part of Russia's stranglehold on Ukraine, and they must be broken up and sold off so that smaller, independent businesses can grow amid their ruins.

    "Deindustrialization is not the goal. The point is to make business profitable and efficient. The market will decide," he says. The huge and badly paid work forces of those dying factories, along with their corrupt managers, are holding Ukraine back, he says. Yes, it will be painful. "But the alternative, to leave everything as it was and remain friends with Russia, is much worse."
    Perhaps for a liberal market proponent East Ukraine would be better looking like this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...ith-Kiev-mount



    Perhaps for a liberal market proponent East Ukraine would be better looking like this:
    comrade mirhond--you really do need to do your research---check this particular article which has information not really published before.

    your core comment should have been WHO is exactly dependent on WHOM?

    without critical military products that only the Ukraine produces Russia will never achieve their goal of a new Army by 2020.

    http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2015...lfill-its.html

    if the raw resources listed in the article are accurate the Ukraine has far more to offer the globe than does even Russia who is basically a raw resource delivery mechanism for the oil/gas markets.

    do you not think that in the last 15 years and having earned 3 TILLION USDs on oil/gas that just maybe your country might be better developed and not have to rely on western companies building the factories???

    BUT again out of that 3 TILLION USDs how much of it flowed into the pockets of Putin and your oligarchs???

    BTW you did see recently the joint statement issued by Poland, Sweden and the Ukraine about forming a joint high tech R&D in the military area of electronics, weapon systems and aircraft --right???
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BUT again out of that 3 TILLION USDs how much of it flowed into the pockets of Putin and your oligarchs???
    What does it have to do with Ukraine: non-military aspects ?


    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BTW you did see recently the joint statement issued by Poland, Sweden and the Ukraine about forming a joint high tech R&D in the military area of electronics, weapon systems and aircraft --right???
    Well, Ukraine badly needs such cooperation - there is a post in a good militaty-related blog:
    http://militarizm.livejournal.com/75190.html

    it says that recently repaired Ukrainian Mi-24 choppers miss their most advanced equipment:


    like target sight system, exhaust-heat shield, active jamming and have disfunctional guidance antenna radome.
    It means Ukraine is struggling to keep airforce in a combat shape.
    Last edited by mirhond; 04-30-2015 at 09:26 PM.
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