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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post

    Poor understanding of how to start the first and second world wars, raising the specter of the Third. But this is not the main problem. Light (in the opinion of those who have not been there) victory in Georgia in 2008, an easy victory in the Crimea in 2014, give rise to the public the impression that Russia - a great power. It is worth and to war. The cenario that clashes in eastern Ukraine could turn into a "war between Russia and Ukraine", ready to imagine 66% of Russians. Whether they want to immediately stop the conflict, to withdraw "volunteers" to stop supplying weapons there? The survey shows that the answer is no.
    http://www.levada.ru/24-10-2014/tri-mirovye-voiny
    Loaded question, false assumption. Don't call it science, please.
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    My friend mirhond, you are right again! They seem to work for Americans

    Almost a year into the Kremlin’s war on civil society, the legal veneer looked familiar: A May 15 letter from prosecutors informed the Levada Center, Russia’s most authoritative independent polling firm, that in publicizing the results of its polls it “aimed at shaping public opinion on government policy” and was, therefore, a “political organization.” And, as a political organization receiving foreign grants (from the likes of the Ford and MacArthur foundations), it had to register as a “foreign agent.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...027_story.html

    ... and Kremlin. Why Kremlin pays 5 million for such work?

    Также гранты получили две крупнейшие социологические организации - "Левада-Центр" (5 млн) и ВЦИОМ (2,4 млн), чьи опросы в последнее время зафиксировали наивысший рейтинг Путина.
    http://newsru.com/russia/20jun2014/grants.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    My friend mirhond, you are right again! They seem to work for Americans

    ... and Kremlin. Why Kremlin pays 5 million for such work?
    Кто девушку ужинает, тот её и танцует, что не понятно?

    He who pays the piper calls the tune. Anyway, they have to, there is no way around if they want to do real science. So, expect jingoistic poll results along with some plausible ones.
    ps. Besides, you've cited not the raw poll data, but some bull$hit assumptions of some unknown "thinker". How the Russian historical mithology is related to WW III prospects - god knows.
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    Dear mirhond, you are calling Levada's Alexey Levinson unknown "thinker" with bull$hit assumptions what a humble opininion.

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    One of the largest Putin "humiliation myths" was that the US together with NATO "took" unauthorized UN actions in Kosovo and that led to Serbia losing Kosovo.

    THEN this pops up from Russia today and Putin will use this formal statement to "allow New Russia" to succeed from the Ukraine.

    Well so much for another Russian "humiliation".

    RU preparing secession of 'Novorossiya'? > "@carlbildt: President Putin has suddenly declared that Kosovo had a right to secede from Serbia"

    NOTICE--Putin did not make that statement when he was watching the Belgrade militay parade before Milan.

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    The Research Report from the NATO Defense College Research Division considers some of the enduring myths, misunderstandings, and dilemmas of NATO’s relationship with Russia.
    Michael Ruehle of the NATO International Staff clears up some of the myths being propagated by Moscow regarding the supposed promises by the Alliance at the end of the Cold War. These include a commitment not to enlarge the Alliance to the East and eventual membership for Russia. Neither of these, states Ruehle, was ever true, but there are some grounds for a misunderstanding by Moscow.
    His policy prescription for the Alliance is to adopt a selective and sober approach to future dealings with Moscow, one devoid of rhetoric on a strategic partnership and more focused on reciprocal cooperative ventures of mutual interest.
    https://nllp.jallc.nato.int/IKS/Shar...20dilemmas.pdf

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    Russian cannot seem to turn loose it's "Nazi" ie "fasist" problem---it accuses constantly the Ukraine for being a "fascist hotbed", but totally ignores their own internal "fascist movement" that has sent thousands of mercenaries to the Ukraine to fight "fascists".

    Seems that once being "communist" was a "good thing during the SU days" but now it has been replaced with "ultra nationalists"---just another buzz word for "fascists" and under Putin that is a great thing---but the Ukraine cannot have any "fascists".

    VIENNA, October 29 (RIA Novosti) – Moscow believes that the issue of the revival of fascism in Ukraine should be discussed in the United Nations, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told reporters Wednesday.

    “Of course, what is going on in Ukraine in regard to the revival of fascism seriously bothers us. In this context, we believe that these issues should be reviewed in the UN. As far as we are concerned, we constantly center our attention on this during our speeches, trying to show the international community the danger in these trends that have now appeared in Ukraine,” Gatilov said.

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