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    Default The Management of Savagery

    Links to a new article about the classic text "the management of savagery" and my comments on that article.

    http://brownpundits.blogspot.com/201...-savagery.html

    Direct link to the original article by Ahmed Humayun (my comment is posted there in the comments too)

    http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksd...arbarism-.html

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    The excellent Zenpundit Hipbonegamer has a post about this

    http://zenpundit.com/?p=43176

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    Default An Author Explains How Mass Killings Happen

    This interview of a book's author sits here best IMHO, even if its focus is mass killing - which is part of savagery.

    It starts with:
    Abram de Swaan spent his first years of life in the Netherlands, witnessing the horrors of World War II. After dedicating decades to the study of human behavior, the award-winning sociologist was so struck by the 1994 Rwandan genocide’s eerie resemblance to the systematic killings of the Holocaust that he decided to investigate the roots of mass murder. De Swaan’s new book, The Killing Compartments: The Mentality of Mass Murder, peers deeply into the minds of those who carry out atrocities, seeking to understand the societal and psychological conditions that give rise to mass murder.
    Link to the interview:http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02...s-happen.html?

    Link to the book:http://www.amazon.com/The-Killing-Co...tag=sciofus-20
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    A bit surprised that he didnt bring up what was probably the most prominent example of "victor's rage" in modern Europe: the Russian victory on the Eastern Front 1944-45..(in the interview, i have obviously not read the book yet)

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    A UK defence blog 'Think Defence' enters the fray on this issue, with a number of graphics:http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/0...ent-savagery/?
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    The title of the strategy is misleading, yes it promotes violence, but it is tied to political aims. You destroy the existing forms of governance, create chaos, and then the people desire someone, anyone, to establish predictable rules so they can go about their daily lives. It is the competitive control theory.

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    Slap and Outlaw09,

    Perhaps this short Scientific American article can help: 'The Science of Mass Shooters: What Drives a Person to Kill? (sub-title) There is no template for the path to violence and rarely can a single cause explain any one atrocity':http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-mass-shooters-what-drives-a-person-to-kill/?

    It is a quick resume of some research and cites Professor Mia Bloom in particular:
    We need to get rid of the bystander effect..We need to find a way that if someone says they are planning to do something, that there are safe mechanisms for the individual to report without themselves becoming a suspect or a person of interest. We need to come up with a way of separating the wheat from the chaff as far as people who are serious.
    I note the actions are a mixture of personal, institutional and state surveillance of online activity. Sadly IMHO it would overwhelm law enforcement and intelligence with too much data, let alone "false flags". Plus IF mental health is the focus is that is politically acceptable.
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    Default Why mass killings are increasing?

    I spotted this article via Twitter and it's application is general to US society, not just these murders:https://warisboring.com/what-on-kill...0f1#.6hssdabyf

    It starts with:
    Dave Grossman’s 1996 book On Killing is a landmark and studied account of how — and why — human beings have inhibitions toward killing others, and how the U.S. military turned its soldiers into far more lethal killers with intense conditioning following World War II.In an updated edition, he warns that these same psychological inhibitions are eroding within American society, but with fewer safeguards, allowing sociopathic tendencies to arise and enable mass violence.


    (Later the author asks) But the question we need to ask is, What makes today’s children bring those guns to school when their parents did not? And the answer to that question may be that the important ingredient, the vital, new, different ingredient in killing in modern combat and in killing in modern American society, is the systematic process of defeating the normal individual’s age-old, psychological inhibition against violent, harmful activity toward one’s own species. Are we taking the safety catch off of a nation, just as surely and easily as we would take the safety catch off of a gun, and with the same results?
    A UK academic psychologist offers a viewpoint:https://theconversation.com/can-we-predict-who-will-become-mass-shooters-60969?
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    Default General Sherman!

    We have to find another General Sherman. Sherman wrote that European style war would not work( aka Clausewitze) He decided to wage war against the entire Southern/British slave culture Infrastructure........we will have to do something similar against Radical Islam
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    Do you people fully appreciate who - or rather, what - you're dealing with?

    A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.

    The chief police witness in Parliament said that an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.

    According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07...d-victims.html


    In just the recent past, ISIS has put 25 Iraqi 'spies in muriatic acid (May 19th), in Mosul burned 19 women to death in cages in front of hundreds of #people after they refused to have sex with them (June 10th), skinned alive an Afghan (June 12th), tossed a few gay guys off a roof (June 29th), and boiled alive seven of it's own deserters (July 5th).
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    We have to find another General Sherman. Sherman wrote that European style war would not work( aka Clausewitze) He decided to wage war against the entire Southern/British slave culture Infrastructure........we will have to do something similar against Radical Islam
    What Sherman had going for him was that when it was time to go Delenda Est on the Confederates, he didn't pull his punches but as soon as resistance stopped, he was compassionate (eg; had 50,000 rations found in captured reb warehouses immediately distributed to starving civilians).

    For 21st century comparison, see also
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    Default Savagery uses religion: evil to good

    The author is with ICSR @ Kings College and attempts to answer so many questions. The title is: How religion can drive someone to slaughter his fellow citizens – and believe they deserve it.

    A key passage:
    The movement is, however, millenarian; its followers believe that they are helping bring about the change of a corrupt society, transforming it from evil to good. Once they accept this as their mission, almost any act which is perceived as helping further the project, no matter how horrific, becomes acceptable and legitimate.
    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-citizens--an/
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    Default What to make of criminals and social misfits who suddenly take up the ISIS name?

    Will McCants has this short article in TIME:http://time.com/4408926/the-differen...-and-isis-ish/
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    Once again, people are blatantly ignoring the overlap of the 'front line' ISIS psychopaths and these lone wolf 'fellow traveler' psychopaths. The only difference between someone who drives a truck through a crowd of people having fun and a muj who dunks prisoners in muriatic acid is one plane ticket.

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/in-...imply-deranged
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