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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Agree ---if the existing Syrian Army with its Hezbollah allies can't even retake the largely flattened town of Zabadani on the Lebanese border, what are the chances that they could move hundreds of miles east across unfriendly territories to secure central and eastern Syria from the Islamic State with whatever the number of Russian troops that are provided?

    Valid point--only if one looks at Chechnya and eastern Ukraine--Russian flattens everything in their way ---valid question is if there is not a high number of troops on the ground then it must be done by BM30s and airstrikes.

    It is estimated Russia has already 20K plus troops in the country in a largely support role--BUT what if they flip the roles and merge with two brigades of Russian Spetsnaz/marine/airborne combat experienced units from the Ukraine that are inbound???

    The Ukrainian military is reporting that Russian mercenaries are now reshifting to Syria--the first being 190 Don Cossacks who have been alerted to move to Syria.
    As I indicated either the Chechnya or the eastern Ukraine assault model--flatten everything that moves--no one is going to complain as most towns and villages are already damaged besides "Russia is fighting IS"-that will be via the use of cluster and thermobaric munitions.

    Novaya says Russia is planning collective assault in Syria with Russian air and ground technical support http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/70001.html

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    Outlaw09 you refer to:
    It is estimated Russia has already 20K plus troops in the country in a largely support role....
    Nowhere have I seen anyone else cite such large numbers. 20k in support roles would be a significant part of the Assad forces.
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    Over at WoTR an assessment of the Russain role, in summary:
    By upping the ante, Putin hopes to deter the West from encroaching too far on Russian interests in Syria. But Russia is not eager to fight alongside Assad on the ground. Expect its direct role in the conflict to remain limited.
    Link:http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/how...ges-the-game/?

    I still think the Russian deployment now complicates the external, Western advocacy of no fly zones and is an attempt to secure Assad's heartland in the coastal mountains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Outlaw09 you refer to:

    Nowhere have I seen anyone else cite such large numbers. 20k in support roles would be a significant part of the Assad forces.
    Will dig out the article link and post it-----remember though at first Putin declared that there had been no decision on the troop numbers yet, then today suddenly 1700 are being admitted to by Russia at just being at the airport "supposedly in support roles".

    Just where in the heck did suddenly 1700 appear out of nowhere--especially if say they were to have been airlifted in--with not even two flights a day---1700 would have taken awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Outlaw09 you refer to:

    Nowhere have I seen anyone else cite such large numbers. 20k in support roles would be a significant part of the Assad forces.
    Russia is bringing in new aircraft and surface-to-surface missile ostensibly for transfer to Syrian forces but in reality under direct Russian control. According to estimates in the Iranian media, Russia now has some 20,000 military “technicians and advisors” in Syria.

    http://nypost.com/2015/09/19/putin-i...nother-crimea/
    Putin is turning the Syrian coast into another Crimea
    By Amir Taheri September 19, 2015 | 8:05pm

    For those who laughed at "thousands".
    Russia doesn't deny, having 1700 in #Tartus alone.

    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2814812
    More in Latakia, DAM, etc.

    NOW comes the drones—a la eastern Ukraine-----
    Exclusive: Russia starts drone surveillance missions in Syria - U.S. officials
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/id...source=twitter

    Social media picked up last week the combined use of Russian fighter aircraft and Russian drones via a insurgent video---was largely over ignored by Western MSM until Russia made their formal move into Syria.

    Let see---2000 troops up from the initially reported "few hundred", initially six T90s, initially only four fighter aircraft ie SU30s---

    The Russian force in Syria is building by the day - latest reports: two dozen jets (Su-25 & Su-30), nine T90 tank, 2000 people.

    Russian "masking operations"---- in full swing now.
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    This article actually underlines the Obama Iran Deal critics who stated Iran would use the unfrozen funds for terror groups.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/boosted...zbollah-hamas/

    Boosted by nuke deal, Iran ups funding to Hezbollah, Hamas

    Operating on assumption sanctions will be lifted, Tehran increases support to proxies, while freezing out Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal

    By Avi Issacharoff September 21, 2015, 10:04 am 4

    On Sunday, the director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Yukiya Amano, arrived in Iran for talks on the nuclear agreement, as part of what appears to be an attempt by the UN nuclear watchdog to evaluate whether Iran ran a military nuclear program in the past.

    Amano is expected to meet with various Iranian nuclear scientists for answers on this very subject. On December 15, ahead of the lifting of crippling economic sanctions on Tehran, he is slated to present the world with definitive answers that will determine whether Iran complied with the terms of a nuclear deal signed on July 15. But the Islamic Republic is not waiting for a green light from Amano or the international community, and is working under the assumption that the sanctions will be lifted.

    Since the deal was signed, Iran has significantly increased its financial support for two of the largest terror groups in the region that have become political players, Hamas and Hezbollah. In the years before the deal was signed, the crippling sanctions limited this support, which had significantly diminished along with Iran’s economy. But Tehran’s belief that tens, or hundreds, of billions of dollars will flow into the country in the coming years as a result of sanctions relief has led to a decision to boost the cash flow to these terror organizations.

    This support, for example, has enabled Hezbollah to obtain highly developed new armaments, including advanced technologies that many militaries around the world would envy. Al-Rai, a Kuwaiti newspaper, reported Saturday that Hezbollah has received all the advanced weaponry that Syria has obtained from the Russians. The report cited a security source involved in the fighting in Zabadani, on the Syria-Lebanon border, where Hezbollah is fighting the al-Nusra Front, the Islamic State, and other groups. It is evidently the growing Iranian financial support that is enabling the Lebanese Shiite militia to purchase advanced weapons, including ones that were hitherto outside of its reach.

    The increased Iranian financial support for Hezbollah in the wake of the deal is not unrelated to other political developments in the region. The growing sense of security in Iran with regard to its political status has also been bolstered by a Russian decision to increase its involvement in Syria, and may be what drove Iran to send hundreds of members of its Revolutionary Guard Corps to play an active role in the Syria fighting. Iran, along with Hezbollah and Moscow, has decided to dispatch sizable forces to the Syrian front in the past few weeks to prevent the collapse of Bashar Assad’s regime.

    The Shiite-Russia axis has been anxiously watching the Islamic State creep toward Damascus in recent months, and saw the territory controlled by Assad, an important ally, diminished to the coastal region of Latakia south of the capital. The Iranians and Russians grasped that not only was Damascus endangered, but also access to the Alawite regions, from Homs to Damascus — thus the urgency for intervention, including with troops on the ground.

    The high morale and sense of security among the Iranians in the wake of the deal don’t stop with increased support of Hamas and Hezbollah. Today, Iran is the main, and likely only, power attempting to build terror cells to fight Israel on the Syrian Golan Heights, in areas under Assad’s control. This does not mean that the Syrian president is aware of these attempts or green-lighted them. But for Israel, that does not matter. Tehran is investing more effort and money after the nuclear deal to carry out attacks against Israel from the Golan, even under Assad’s nose.

    As regards the Palestinians, in the past two months, Iran has sent suitcases of cash – literally – to Hamas’s military wing in Gaza. Not everyone is happy about this, including some Hamas officials. Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, who was always the man who controlled the money, has found himself outside the circle of Iranian funding over the summer. Tehran, which was none too pleased by his visit to Saudi Arabia and meeting with King Salman, decided to take revenge on him in an original way. It bypassed Mashaal and has handed over the suitcases, by way of couriers, directly to the leaders of the group’s military wing in the Gaza Strip.

    The Hamas military leaders, for their part, are happy about two things: First, the money they are receiving during a difficult economic period in Gaza; second, the opportunity to weaken Mashaal and his cronies, who have been living in luxury in Qatar and dictating to Hamas in Gaza what to do and what not to do, who to get closer to (Saudi Arabia) and who to stay away from (Iran).
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    Netanyahu tells Putin: I came to Moscow to prevent misunderstandings between IDF and Russian… http://dlvr.it/CD3rVP pic.twitter.com/AMlTcPlu9F

    ‘Our main goal is to protect the Syrian state" Putin told Netanyahu. Fear of implosion seems to be main driver of Russia's military move.

    Putin tells Netanyahu: "we know that the Syrian army is in a situation such that it is incapable of opening a new front."

    Begs the question are the new IRGC and Russian troops going to open a new front that Putin claims Assad could not do?????


    In addition to drones and SA-22s, Russians now have two dozen Su-25 and supersonic Su-24 attack aircraft at airbase in Latakia, #Syria

    Translation: Russia sent an electronic intelligence and warfare ship to Syria. https://twitter.com/amirbohbot/statu...03419031449600
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    Humor-------

    US position on Syria

    2011: Assad must go

    2015: Assad must go, but first let's solve ISIS, get Iran deal, fix climate change & settle Mars

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    Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:57am EDT

    Netanyahu, Putin aim to prevent accidental Israeli-Russian clashes in Syria

    NOVO-OGARYOVO, Russia | By Maria Tsvetkova

    Reuters/Ivan Sekretarev/Pool

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met Russian leader Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Monday to discuss ways of avoiding any unintended clashes in Syria between Israel and Russian forces supporting President Bashar al-Assad.

    Emphasizing the importance of the visit, Netanyahu took along with him the chief of Israel's armed forces and the general in charge of Israeli military intelligence.

    A rapid Russian build-up in Syria, which regional sources have said includes warplanes and anti-aircraft systems, worries Israel, whose jets have on occasion bombed the neighboring Arab country to foil suspected handovers of advanced arms to Assad's Lebanese guerrilla allies Hezbollah.

    Ahead of Netanyahu's meeting with Putin, a former adviser to the Israeli leader said he would try to work out "ground rules" for keeping the countries' forces from accidentally trading fire.

    "I'm here because of the difficult security situation, which is becoming increasingly complex on our northern border," Netanyahu told Putin in the Russian president's residence of Novo-Ogaryovo outside Moscow.

    He told Putin he was in Russia to prevent "confusion between your forces and our forces in the region".

    A U.S. official told Reuters that U.S.-Israeli coordination allowed the allies to share classified technologies for identifying Russian aircraft over Syria: "We know how to spot them clearly and quickly," the official said.

    The United States, which along with its allies has been flying missions against Islamic State insurgents in Syria, has also been holding so-called "deconfliction" talks with Russia.

    NIGHT AND DAY

    Netanyahu said on his Facebook page he had told Putin about Israel's policy of striking at suspected threats from the Syrian Golan. "Given these circumstances, I came to Russia, to make clear our policy and also to enable that there be no misunderstanding between our forces."

    Putin said Russia's actions in the Middle East would always be "responsible".

    Two U.S. officials told Reuters Russia had started flying surveillance missions with drone aircraft in Syria in what appeared to be Moscow's first air operations in Syria since beginning its build up. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, could not say how many aircraft were involved.

    The Netanyahu ex-adviser said Israel worried that Russia's reinforcement of Assad in the conflict, now in its fifth year, could effectively create an axis between its long-standing enemies, Hezbollah and Iran, and Moscow.

    Israel is also concerned that top-of-the-line Russian military hardware now being deployed could benefit Hezbollah and one day be turned against the Jewish state.

    "Our policy is to do everything to stop weapons from being sent to Hezbollah," Netanyahu said.

    Putin, who shares Western concern over the spread of Islamic State influence, has pledged to continue military support for Assad, assistance that Russia says is in line with international law. Russia has been focusing forces on Syria's coast, where Moscow keeps a big Mediterranean naval base.

    The Netanyahu ex-adviser, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the issue, said any understandings reached with Putin "could come down to Israel and Russia agreeing to limit themselves to defined areas of operation in Syria, or even that they fly at daytime and we fly at night".
    One of the main Iranian IRC geo political goals in Syria is to maintain the bridgehead to Hezbollah from Iran thus protecting the Khomeini "Green Crescent".

    They will never allow that bridge to Hezbollah to be broken--NOT so sure Putin understands the urgency and the not so subtle threat from Israel towards Russia if in fact Russia is supporting Iran in that endeavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Outlaw09 you refer to:

    Nowhere have I seen anyone else cite such large numbers. 20k in support roles would be a significant part of the Assad forces.
    Indeed: that would be equal to about 30% of Assad's active combatants...

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW09
    In addition to drones and SA-22s, Russians now have two dozen Su-25 and supersonic Su-24 attack aircraft at airbase in Latakia, #Syria
    ... no trace of Su-25s there, and two gangs of Fencers that overflew Iran and Iraq on the way to Syria (where they were captured by videos while refuelling from RuAF Il-78 tankers over Homs), on 18 and 19 September wore Syrian markings...

    EDIT, video in question can be found here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYEmXJ60Yc

    (Pause a few times to ID Su-24s; sadly, from this range and aspect, it's impossible to say if their camo is Syrian too, or that of the RuAF)
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    Check the date of this article and then compare it to the current lack of an apparent US foreign policy—no good at all-----------

    http://www.the-american-interest.com...e-middle-east/

    Nature Abhors a Vaccuum

    Russia’s Return to the Middle East

    2013/12/13

    Michael Weiss

    U.S. fatigue and distraction in the Middle East has made ample room for Russia to step in as the new patron, power-broker and custodian of the region. Washington should think twice about welcoming this development.

    Russia is back. At least that’s what they say—especially the Russians. 2013 marks the year that the Kremlin reasserted its power abroad in ways not seen since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and nowhere has this reassertion been more obvious than in the Middle East. From Syria to Egypt to Iran to Israel, Moscow is now seen to be moving in on America’s turf, usurping the only superpower’s traditional role as safeguard of a region that, whether or not it cares to admit it, has always looked to the United States to solve its problems. But now a new patron has arrived in the neighborhood with the offer of advanced weaponry and a cold disregard for how dictatorial regimes choose to conduct their “internal” affairs. Unlike Washington, this patron has shown a willingness to stand by its friends in extremity and is more than happy to wage diplomatic war with the West if those friends’ survival is ever called into question. Russia’s restoration in the Middle East has been built upon America’s abdication.

    Without a doubt, the crowning ceremony was the Kremlin’s deft ownership of international diplomacy on the 18-month crisis in Syria, one that has so far killed more than 120,000 people, including by the repeated use of chemical weapons, and yet has remarkably culminated in the re-legitimization of the person responsible for it, Bashar al-Assad. The Syrian civil war— particularly the White House’s inept and improvisational response to it—has accidentally transformed Putin into a major power-broker for the post-Arab Spring Middle East. (This is no small feat considering that Sunni Muslim antipathy toward Russia is at a record high because of Syria.) It has turned Moscow into the new hub for geopolitical influencing in the region, the world capital where the Egyptian general staff, the Saudi intelligence chief, the Israeli prime minister and even now the U.S.-backed Syrian opposition all feel they must pay call in order to get things done. And while it’s true that Russia hasn’t the GDP, military reach, or reputation to completely hobble U.S. influence in the Middle East, it doesn’t need to do that to pose a threat to U.S. interests. Putin’s objective is to offer himself as a steady alternative to a fickle Obama: a partner in arms deals and Security Council obstruction who won’t run away or downgrade a relationship over such trivia as human rights, mass murder or coups d’état. Putin has apologized for and facilitated the worst humanitarian catastrophe of the 21st century under the guise of international law and a respect for state sovereignty. This is an invaluable friend for a dictator to have in his corner.

    An old anecdote has it that in the dying days of Communism, a senior Syrian official was found wandering the halls of the Kremlin saying, “We regret the Soviet collapse more than the Russians do.” The Syrian-Russian relationship was always rather complicated, full of mutual suspicion and attempts by Moscow to impose an ideology that Hafez al-Assad didn’t much care for, in exchange for military and intelligence assistance that Syria couldn’t do without. But Damascus isn’t just a resurrected strategic ally following years of desuetude under the Yeltsin government; it is Putin’s last-stand client in the region against what he sees as American hegemony. The Cheka’s old hold on Damascus looms large in Putin’s imagination, as does the precipitous collapse of Moscow Centre’s influence abroad. In interviews, he often recalls how, as a young KGB officer, he was stranded in Dresden when the Wall came down and Germans tried to storm the KGB rezidentura. “Moscow [was] silent” was his ashen-faced pronouncement on that occasion. Putin then famously “joked” upon assuming the presidency in 2000 that the security organs had now seized control of the government. Moscow won’t be silent again. Syria has amplified its voice.

    Continued................
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowBat View Post
    Indeed: that would be equal to about 30% of Assad's active combatants...

    ... no trace of Su-25s there, and two gangs of Fencers that overflew Iran and Iraq on the way to Syria (where they were captured by videos while refuelling from RuAF Il-78 tankers over Homs), on 18 and 19 September wore Syrian markings...



    EDIT, video in question can be found here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYEmXJ60Yc

    (Pause a few times to ID Su-24s; sadly, from this range and aspect, it's impossible to say if their camo is Syrian too, or that of the RuAF)
    Crow Bat--the 20K is coming straight from the Iranians---right now I would not challenge their own figures as the same figure is showing up in Israeli media--there seems to be a general consensus the figures are correct..

    Reported RU aircraft have in fact doubled in the last week---

    Again I point to the major sealift that the Russians have been conducting since 2013 as the main "masking operation" and the West literally did not see the Russian equipment/troops arriving--MUCH as the West missed 1000s of Russian troops invading eastern Ukraine along with 400 tanks in August 2014--there if we are to believe the media--they absolutely did not see them coming???
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    http://20committee.com/2014/03/29/un...g-provocation/

    March 29, 2014

    Understanding Provocation


    One of the most powerful tools the Kremlin has in its secret arsenal of Special War is provocation, what they call provokatsiya. While Moscow cannot claim to have invented this technique, which has existed as long as there have been secret services, there’s no doubt that Russians have perfected the art and taken it to a whole new level of sophistication and deviousness. At times, it can become a strategy all on its own (not always, mind you, with edifying results).

    Provokatsiya simply means taking control of your enemies in secret and encouraging them to do things that discredit them and help you. You plant your own agents provocateurs and flip legitimate activists, turning them to your side. When you’re dealing with extremists to start with, getting them to do crazy, self-defeating things isn’t often difficult. In some cases, you simply create extremists and terrorists where they don’t exist. This is causing problems in order to solve them, and since the Tsarist period, Russian intelligence has been known to do just that.

    While this isn’t a particularly nice technique, it works surprisingly well, particularly if you don’t care about bloody and messy consequences. Credulous Westerners are a big help. Perhaps the most infamous Kremlin case of provokatsiya was the TRUST operation of the 1920s. In the aftermath of the Russian Civil War, Bolshevik control was incomplete and Moscow faced the problem that a large number of Whites, their recent enemies, had gotten sanctuary in Europe, where they plotted the reconquest of Holy Russia.

    Soon the White emigration klatched in the cafes of Paris and Berlin was invigorated by tantalizing rumors that there existed a secret anti-Bolshevik movement underground in the USSR, calling itself the Monarchist Union of Central Russia. Before long, prominent Whites gave this shadowy group their political and financial support, as did several Western intelligence services who desired the end – or at least the harassment – of Bolshevism. Intelligence from inside the Soviet Union was a scarce commodity at the time. Some emigres were even prompted to clandestinely return to Russia in the hope of aiding the resistance. Among them was the famous revolutionary Boris Savinkov, who had broken with the Bolsheviks and was one of Moscow’s top public enemies.

    But word of Savinkov dried up once he reached Russia, as it did for all the emigres and spies who tried to enter the Soviet Union to establish contact with the underground resistance. They were dead. The TRUST operation was all a mirage; there in fact was no Monarchist Union of Central Russia, it was a front for Soviet intelligence. By 1926, Western intelligence began to suspect the truth, but by that point the Soviet secret police had been running their false-flag operation for five years, during which time it had eliminated or neutralized several of its top enemies while causing them, and several Western spy services, to waste time, money, and energy on a mirage that was actually Soviet-run.

    Russians have employed this crafty model countless times since, as have the many intelligence services that have received training in the dark arts from Moscow. Cuban intelligence is notorious for this – it can be reliably assumed that many of the most hard-line anti-Castro exiles are actually on their payroll – while in the 1990s the Algerian military intelligence service, the feared DRS, executed an enormous version of the TRUST operation against its Islamist foes, defeating them in detail, but at the cost of thousands of innocent lives.

    This model must be kept in mind during current discussions of Ukraine, where the Kremlin assures us that the government in Kyiv are “fascists” planning a “Nazi” takeover. While there are right-wingers in Ukraine who have troubling views, their numbers are inflated for effect by Moscow, something which too many Westerners accept uncritically. Moreover, some of the most hardline Ukrainian nationalists are secretly under Moscow’s control, and there’s nothing new about this.

    The Soviet secret police infiltrated far-right Ukrainian emigre groups in the 1920s and 1930s, provoking them into self-defeating acts and killing off their leaders. Similar provocation was employed after the Second World War by Stalin’s secret police to crush resistance in Western Ukraine, which lasted into the early 1950s, while throughout the Cold War, Ukrainian rightists abroad were targets for surveillance, harassment, and sometimes assassination by the KGB.

    Since the Soviet collapse, similar Russian provocations in Ukraine are broadly understood by security circles in Kyiv, which is part of why the SBU, Ukraine’s Security Service, is now attempting to reign in far-right groups like the Right Sector (Pravyy Sektor): not only are they potentially dangerous to democracy, they may be on Moscow’s payroll too. This has come to a head due to the death this week of the notorious far-right activist Oleksandr Muzychko, AKA Sashko Billy, a vocal hater of Russians and Jews, who fell in a murky shootout with police in the Western Ukrainian city of Rivne. Muzychko was so extreme that he actually fought in Chechnya in the 1990s with the local resistance – Moscow accused him of war crimes there – and his funeral turned into a far-right rally against the government in Kyiv. Predictably, all this got huge coverage in Russian media, which is eager to demonstrate the “fascist” nature of all Ukrainians who do not wish to be ruled by the Kremlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:57am EDT

    Netanyahu, Putin aim to prevent accidental Israeli-Russian clashes in Syria

    NOVO-OGARYOVO, Russia | By Maria Tsvetkova

    Reuters/Ivan Sekretarev/Pool



    One of the main Iranian IRC geo political goals in Syria is to maintain the bridgehead to Hezbollah from Iran thus protecting the Khomeini "Green Crescent".

    They will never allow that bridge to Hezbollah to be broken--NOT so sure Putin understands the urgency and the not so subtle threat from Israel towards Russia if in fact Russia is supporting Iran in that endeavor.
    So is Russia now wiling to have Syria bombed by the Israeli's ----which goes counter to their ally Iran.

    Russia to allow Israeli strikes on Syrian arms transfers, PM says http://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-...sfers-pm-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowBat View Post
    Indeed: that would be equal to about 30% of Assad's active combatants...

    ... no trace of Su-25s there, and two gangs of Fencers that overflew Iran and Iraq on the way to Syria (where they were captured by videos while refuelling from RuAF Il-78 tankers over Homs), on 18 and 19 September wore Syrian markings...

    EDIT, video in question can be found here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYEmXJ60Yc

    (Pause a few times to ID Su-24s; sadly, from this range and aspect, it's impossible to say if their camo is Syrian too, or that of the RuAF)
    Crow Bat--numbers are rapidly climbing--at 28 if correct--and you assumed Russia was not "surging"?????

    With Russian intentions since eastern Ukraine never for a moment assume anything??? There they "surged" 400 tanks and over 1000 APCs--so 28 aircraft is not a problem.

    BREAKING: #Russia has deployed 28 combat aircraft in Syria according to #US officials - AFP
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    Syria battlefield map 02SEP. You don't need to be Rommel to see who Assad+Russians are gunning for (hint: not Daesh)

    pic.twitter.com/OlT1UVbeSO

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    Russia, Iran seen coordinating on Assad’s defense in Syria http://on.wsj.com/1NP91a0 via @WSJ

    WSJ : "Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah are establishing a joint-operational command center in Latakia" http://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-i...ria-1442856556

    Russia state TV reporting from Damascus on shelling of Embassy http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2666...eo_id%3D657248

    Did you notice that the "mortar attack" on the RU embassy took place "at 9:00 on Sept 20th". Why was it disclosed only at 18:35 on 21st?

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    http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-...-borovoy-says/

    Putin Convinced That Whatever He Does, Obama Won’t Respond Militarily, Borovoy Says

    September 21, 2015

    Staunton, September 19 – Vladimir Putin is acting in Syria as he has in Ukraine on the basis of his conviction that no matter what Russia does, Barack Obama will not respond militarily and that as a result, Moscow has every incentive to raise the stakes in order to force negotiations and gain even more concessions from the West, according to Konstantin Borovoy.

    Arguing that “a war between the US and Russia has begun” but that Putin believes he can win it without a direct military confrontation with the US, the head of the Western Choice Party says that the Kremlin leader has concluded “there is now no president in the US but instead a Nobel Peace Prize laureate.”

    According to Borovoy, Putin has sent troops into Syria just as he has in Ukraine “not for the conduct of war but for its declaration, as a provocation and showing of the flag. Putin needs a casus belli but not a war” as such. And he believes that will work on the basis of his conclusion that the US is weak, something Russian intelligence agencies and lobbyists assure him is true.

    The latest indication of what Putin is successfully trying to achieve, the Russian commentator continues, are the talks between the defense ministers of the US and Russia, a “pathetic” effort by the US to avoid having to acknowledge that Russia has entered the Syrian conflict against the US and the West.

    “To conclude ‘agreements’ at the level of defense ministers with someone who does not observe internationally signed and ratified agreements shows naivete,” he says, because Putin will violate this “at the first opportunity” and then blame the US for the violations. And he will sacrifice Russian lives to that end as he has in the past.

    “Putin’s real goal is not war but the creation of such pre-war tension that he US will be forced to enter into broadscale negotiations. The current [US] president will do everything possible in this situation not to begin military actions” and thus “will agree to talks in any format” and will be ready “in advance” to make concessions to Putin.

    Putin’s demands in this situation are obvious, Borovoy says. They are “Crimea is ours, Syria is ours, Iran is ours, end all sanctions, provide financial assistance to Russia and respect the interests of Russia in the world.” And the Kremlin leader wants to be able to make those demands at a meeting with Obama and other world leaders.

    In this situation, the West doesn’t have a large number of options, the Russian commentator says. It can face a long period of Russian provocations and apparent pullbacks, but it will not do anything but lose slowly because Putin believes he can act with impunity and so will continue to do so.

    That will be a black day for the West, but on the other hand, Borovoy says, it will “justify” Obama’s receipt of the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Meanwhile, Putin will force Russians to tighten their belts, but he will succeed in convincing them that their problems have not been caused by him but by “the military provocateur Obama” and thus they will not only accept the situation but support Putin in his further aggression.

    In reality, he continues, Obama has only “a single way out – supplying arms to Ukraine, and not just defensive ones but those that will allow Ukraine to attack. Russia’s armed forces in fact are not prepared for a real military conflict.” At present, however, Putin is certain that Obama won’t do that.

    There remains “only one question: what in fact ought the American president to do in this situation?” Borovoy suggests two steps: “giving a military response to Putin in Syria and Ukraine, immediately, rapidly and very effectively,” and “taking up the problems of the C special services, having freed them from the influence of the network of Putin’s agents.”

    Unfortunately, the Russian commentator implies, there does not seem to be much chance of either.

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    Syria Sound of heavy clashes at western entrance of #Aleppo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKryZdNWsw
    Image: tank shot

    Syria Rebels take out regime position on roof in NW city district of #Aleppo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PguvlWU-Ri8

    Syria Rebels shelling positions of #Assad forces at western entrance of #Aleppo city https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X42v7Z7txs

    Syria Rebels shelling position of #Assad forces at western entrance of #Aleppo city https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po31vlWyr_4

    Syria Rebels pounding #Assad Military Academy area at western entrance of #Aleppo city
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG2FE1Tpfjo

    Footage
    Also the free parts of #Homs were shelled heavily by the #Assad air force today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25cu8f0DXv4
    in Al-Waer circa 80.000 sunnis and 10.000 christians are under Assad-siege since february 2012

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    InfoGraphic - Assad Regime Foreign Allies in #Syria | from around 12 countries.
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    http://archicivilians.com/2015/09/21...lies-in-syria/

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