After 8 days, Russian airstrikes cause more civilian deaths in #Syria, than 7 month bombing campaign in Libya
Strong words from UK #Syria Envoy @garethbayley, condemning #Russia military action:
“A war on the Syrian people"
Russia is disparate to show to their civil society that they are leading the IS fight as the singular superpower and that they forced the US to support them.
Russia secretly filmed first meeting with America to discuss air safety in #Syria and posted it on youtube - CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/...r-dnt-lead.cnn …
After 8 days, Russian airstrikes cause more civilian deaths in #Syria, than 7 month bombing campaign in Libya
Strong words from UK #Syria Envoy @garethbayley, condemning #Russia military action:
“A war on the Syrian people"
Appears that not all of the Russian fired cruise missiles made it into Syria--UNKNOWN number crashed in Iran---SO much for Russian missile technology?????Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09
Breaking: A number of cruise missiles launched from a Russian ship and aimed at targets in Syria have crashed in Iran, officials say
Eliot Higgins @EliotHiggins
Russian cruise missiles prove to be as worthless as their media.
Pentagon saw 4 Russian cruise missiles go down in Iran. Not clear if detonated, casualties. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/08/po...ran/index.html … pic.twitter.com/E5v2We1358
IRNA reported explosions in Takab, 36°24'05.7"N 47°06'42.3"E ,which is inside that circle http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/ … https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/statu...66456193343488 …
Oops.. Russian cruise missiles 'crash in Iran'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6686856.html … pic.twitter.com/dLQ4rKxqrH
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Another tank up in flames after being hit by an FSA TOW missile near Masasneh, Hama. #Syria
http://youtu.be/CD_VIYWGDsg
Clashes between FSA Fursan al-Haq brigade & regime forces near Morek in rural Hama. #Syria
http://youtu.be/0RrX-RvQ1DA
http://youtu.be/3U4GAsfTzKw
Clashes between FSA & Assad forces backed by Russian air cover near Morek in Northern Hama. #Syria
http://youtu.be/0IN9q-Zo8os
Clashes between FSA & regime forces at Breij in rural Aleppo. #Syria
http://youtu.be/gb8wHv-kirU
So #SAA and #Russia didn´t take Kafr Naboudah, #Hama as claimed yesterday by pro regime sources.
RuAF airstrike targeted Babila village north Ma'rrat al-Numan #Idlib.
Russians pound #FSA held ares in #Hama with missiles and say destroyed #ISIL depot and command centre again!!
Regime retreat from Jobar #Damascus after heavy losses.
https://youtu.be/qryjFHDad0o
https://www.jaishalislam.com/subject/353
Syria Russian airstrike N- of Al Taman'ah, geolocated .
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35...0129&z=14&m=bs …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stnn5ZaZKJk … pic.twitter.com/4MDo7gefzS
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Russian air strikes have resulted in over 150 civilians killed; almost 500 civilians injured; 2 rescue workers killed; 3 field hospitals hit
Use of unguided & crude bombs by #Russia has resulted in the bombing of mosques & Yamadiyah camp where IDPs are seeking refuge
Reports that Russia will commit more weapons & ground troops to Syria are deeply concerning - this will only further escalate the crisis.
There's no escaping the fact that #Russia’s activities are tantamount to a war on the #Syria-n people.
This development has increased Syrian people trust in FSA following recent victory and will lead to 1000s joint FSA to become very big army
The news coming from the north of Syria that 100s of young Syrians residents in the camps are joining the FSA training camps.
Crowbat, I respectfully disagree.
Really, that is why we have not gotten involved in Syria for over two years, because we realize its importance to Arabs? If it was that important to Arabs, where is their support for Syrian Arab refugees? How many refugees have SA taken in? In posturing, there my be support for their "Arab Brothers," but reality is that is only rhetoric deep.
All the more reason to concentrate our efforts there. We need to counter Iranian (and therefore Russian) influence as much as possible. Our dificulty there is the Kurds, who we would love to back, but who are considered terrorists to our Nato ally Turkey. Of course, after Turkey shoots down a Russian Jet or two, Turkey may have bigger fish to fry.
Again, if true, why were we able to wait years before getting involved?
In Realpolitic, I don't think the US has any real reason to fight in Syria, and we would not be fighting there if it was not the sancuary for ISIS when they attack Iraq. I think the domestic politics, the fall-out from "abandoning the democratic freedom fighters in Syria," would be much harder for Washington to deal with than anything in the Middle East. Of course, Obama is a lame duck, so he may not care.
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"I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."
Jon Osterman/Dr. Manhattan
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I don't think this is going to end for Assad and the Russians the way Putin had expected. Perhaps Putin's birthday present to himself in Syria was really a gift to the West.
"I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."
Jon Osterman/Dr. Manhattan
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Well, at least they got the correct location, still not the correct group targeted. No ISIS there.
3th video geolocated near Khan Al Assal - inside the Army Fueling Station
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3k6_MMuMqw …
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36...an%20al%20asal …
The second Russian airstrike S of Al Taman'ah geolocated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtMRLwnG03Q … http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35...6670&z=18&m=bs …
Syria Russian airstrike N- of Al Taman'ah, geolocated .
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35...0129&z=14&m=bs …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stnn5ZaZKJk …
Putin has now dropped more ordinance on Iran than he has ISIS
Humor-----
Updated targeting map for Russian air force pilots & also cruise missile programmers pic.twitter.com/wiCIMpieE6
Forthcoming at RT and Sputnik: "Exclusive: Watch Russia's Navy Destroy Clandestine ISIS Base in Iran."
Russian cruise missiles did not crash in Iran. They didn't get that far.
Russian missiles that #Putin claimed are "accurate within 9 feet" miss targets by 1000 miles.
#Putin also claims he is 6'2"
Russian MoD: Ships launched 26 missiles, 11 ISIS targets destroyed!
Q:-Where are other 15 missiles?
A:- Oops
QUOTE:
Russia Ministry of Defense to @CNN: All sea-launched cruise missiles hit their targets. https://twitter.com/mod_russia/statu...90294159544320 …
More Russian lies-----
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Erdogan warns #Russia: #Turkey could get natural gas elsewhere in light of incursions into Turkish air space
http://reut.rs/1GxleIx
VIDEO #Russia(n) Mi24 Hind gunships at Forward Base 100 miles fr #Homs #Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAawPcWB6eI … pic.twitter.com/3ShQZtvdSG
VIDEO: Rebels blow up Shilka AA vehicle with TOW in Al Mughayr #Hama #Syria - @markito0171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LhwPzt2QAQ …
pic.twitter.com/YcvUosliDU
Syria #Hama Rebels blow up field cannon in Ghab plain with TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jTywqUr4x0 …
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=35...27367&z=15&m=b … pic.twitter.com/Qbn4QcWLrB
Footage
The #FSA destroys another BMP-1 of the #Assad regime in the Ghab plain w/ the TOW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFEliogPkck … pic.twitter.com/zOr3OWxKYD
Syria #Hama Rebels blow up Zell truck in Al-Brika /Ghab plain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-zmVPni0e0 …
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=35...72135&z=15&m=b …
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BREAKING:US ASSIST SEC OF STATE- "POTENTIAL MILITARY RESPONSE FROM US IF RUSSIA CONTINUES TO VIOLATE THE INF TREATY"
http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential...termediare.htm …
Day 2 of #Russia'n/#Iran'ian & Regime offensive in #Syria:
Results = zero gains
Saudi Arabia is responding to the recent Russian air strikes on Syrian rebels by stepping up its supplies of lethal weaponry to three different rebel groups, a Saudi government official has told the BBC.
The well-placed official, who asked not to be named, said supplies of modern, high-powered weaponry including guided anti-tank weapons would be increased to the Arab- and western-backed rebel groups fighting the forces of Syria's President Bashar al-Assad and his Russian, Iranian and Lebanese allies.
He said those groups being supplied did not include either Islamic State (IS) or al-Nusra Front, both of which are proscribed terrorist organisations. Instead, he said the weapons would go to three rebel alliances - Jaysh al-Fatah (Army of Conquest), the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the Southern Front.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 10-08-2015 at 07:07 PM.
Who says that Assad and the Islamic State do not work together----
20 dead & at least 30 wounded in car bomb explosion in #Hreitan, #Aleppo which was followed by Assad rocket attack.
http://youtu.be/4KOZtN92CdI
Rebels say they repelled regime forces attacks on al-Bahsa and al-Mansoura villages in Ghab plain.
Moderator adds: video removed
SANA video from Hama. On 4:20 clear Russian artillery corrector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzdrzYhZzd0 …
"Now its OK, rightwards, third, at same distance"
Last edited by davidbfpo; 10-09-2015 at 09:56 AM. Reason: add note
Just heard that Lieutenant General Shafiq Fayad has mysteriously died today. A notorious regime criminal.
VID: #NEW: Showing Kafr Nabouda still under #FSA control in #Hama countryside and also destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbUMlspCSU ….
ISIS launches a full scale attack against rebels in northern #Aleppo, clashes intensifying now in Baraghida, Kafra fields & al-Bal.
Reports of clashes now as rebels try to thwart an #ISIS attack on several areas in northern #Aleppo, #Syria
ISIS is targeting Kafra & al-Bal in the Azaz area in #Aleppo with mortar shells & reports of an #ISIS infiltration attempt in Mare’a.
Interresting "military expert" claim in Czech talk show:
#Syria'n regime retreated the past months purposely- to force #Russia into war
Anyone who believes that?
Saudi's send manpad (anti aircraft rockets) to #Syria'n rebels)
http://eldorar.com/node/88174
MORE cluster munitions being fired at civilian targets----
Putin gave #Syria's #Assad new hell toy
Grad rockets 9M218
used tonight in northern #Hama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLmMBldyac …
Syria: Jaysh al-Yarmouk (#FSA-SF) has finished the training of a new round of recruits in #Daraa province
Not surprising anymore, both Assad & #ISIS appear to be simultaneously attacking the rebel held infantry school in #Aleppo
Hama Summary of TOW-hits the past 2 days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ita8aJwQdbc …
Syria Rebels blow up armored bulldozer in eastern rural #Hama with TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y97zlAudsNo …
Seems #Assad-forces failed to advance towards Kuweyres Military Airbase - besieged by #IslamicState
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=36...03891&z=12&m=b …
It's OK, I can understand why.
USA didn't keep its fingers out of this affair: it 'outsourced it'.Really, that is why we have not gotten involved in Syria for over two years, because we realize its importance to Arabs? If it was that important to Arabs, where is their support for Syrian Arab refugees? How many refugees have SA taken in? In posturing, there my be support for their "Arab Brothers," but reality is that is only rhetoric deep.
Outsourcing some 'business' (and every war is one), means not 'not getting involved'. On the contrary. In this case it very much means: 'keeping things under control', too.
Remember when Saudis decided to start doing everything on their own, back in late 2013? Oblabla immediately intervened and Prince Bandar was fired (and large parts of 9/11 report, those related to Saudi involvement, blotted out in return), while subsequently Congress granted US$ 500 million for training of Syrian insurgents, 'but for fighting Daesh only'.
All very nice and fine. But reality is: you can't counter Iran in a country rulled by Iranian puppet government.All the more reason to concentrate our efforts there. We need to counter Iranian (and therefore Russian) influence as much as possible.
Well, you can't really complain about various of US allies not being happy about USA trying to cooperate (probably on Israeli insistence) with an entity that,Our dificulty there is the Kurds, who we would love to back, but who are considered terrorists to our Nato ally Turkey.
a) wants to create an independent state at the cost of what Arab Sunnis consider 'Arab soil', and
b) is - in the case of Syrian Kurds - run by what is a terrorist organization (PKK) that de-facto exterminated all the political opposition within own ranks (i.e. all the other Syrian Kurd political parties) in order to establish itself in power of this so-called 'Rojava'.
Such 'things' make plenty of US-allies in the area even more mad - about the USA.
Turkey - which was stubbornly resisting Oblabla for years - has already made a step back in July. It even started launching air strikes on Daesh. These were stopped on 27 July on insistence of the CENTCOM, which complained Turks would be messing up with USAF's flight plans without timely notices.Of course, after Turkey shoots down a Russian Jet or two, Turkey may have bigger fish to fry.
USA are involved all the time. Not 'neck-' but certainly 'knee-deep' (see back in the old thread on Syria to read my complaints about US meddling from back in 2013 or early 2014).Again, if true, why were we able to wait years before getting involved?
Of course not. Your POV is that of majority of Americans I happen to know.In Realpolitic, I don't think the US has any real reason to fight in Syria, and we would not be fighting there if it was not the sancuary for ISIS when they attack Iraq.
I'm sorry if the following might be too blunt, but for you, ISIS is a problem on its own, essence of which is Iraq. This is simple and easy to explain.
Taken within context the story is much too complex. AQI had to withdraw into Syria in order to find a sanctuary, ean billions from robbing ('confiscating') money and taking over local oil production, from selling oil and gas to the regime in Damascus, which welcomed it because AQ's presence was bolstering its legenda of 'fighting foreign-supported terrorist extremists', and because the AQI - cum Daesh - then began exterminating Syrian insurgents, 'common enemy', too. This is neither simple nor easy to explain (and even less so to understand). Correspondingly: 'no story'.
While... well, take a look at the map attached below. At the bottom of the shown area is the city of Aleppo. Red-marked are regime-held areas, green are insurgents, black is Daesh, yellow are Kurds.
The last three days, Russian air force and cruise missiles (apparently launched by Tu-160s, not by some corvettes in the Caspian Sea) were blasting insurgent positions - primarily those of 'non-existing' US-supported (and vetted) insurgents, like Nureddin az-Zenki Movement - north of regime-held northern Aleppo suburubs. Around the same time, YPG's Kurds in Sheikh Maqsoud District in northern Aleppo, began causing problems to insurgents: they blocked the Castello road (last road used by insurgents to haul supplies into eastern Aleppo), provoking a number of fire-fights in return.
Yesterday, Daesh launched an offensive and captured this area.
Simultaneously, IRGC-QF - that is: IRGC-QF's Liwa al-Fatimioun (IRGC-recruited outfit consisting of Afghan Hazara mercenaries) - launched an offensive from the south.
Even the C-in-C IRGC-QF in Syria - Maj-Gen Hamedani - former C-in-C BAsiji Corps IRGC (in Iran) and the very creator of Assad regime's NDF - was confirmed killed there.
But, these two attacks sandwiched the insurgents and collapsed their defences.
Anybody who has at least a trace of clue about military operations knows that one is not starting offensives without 'at least a few days' of preparations. And that means there is obvious cooperation of Russians, Iranians AND the Daesh there.
And now see the situation from the Sunni Arab POV:
- Syrian regime (Alawis), supported by
- Russian air power (foreigners), in cooperation with
- Kurds (non-Arabs) and
- Daesh (led by Chechens, i.e. non-Arabs; one third consisting of Kurds, and at least one third of ex-Europeans)
... is overrunning Sunni Arabs fighting against all of these.
I can't imagine a better recipe for Sunni-Arabs beginning to despise the USA (because this is holding them back from getting intensivelly involved in Syria). No wonder Saudi preachers are already dictating an all-out Jihad in Syria...
But - and please keep in mind: this is nothing personal - if you think it's better so, or it doesn't matter, ignore all of this, and keep on doing the same like until now.
Oblabla is just doing enough so he can say 'we're doing something'.I think the domestic politics, the fall-out from "abandoning the democratic freedom fighters in Syria," would be much harder for Washington to deal with than anything in the Middle East. Of course, Obama is a lame duck, so he may not care.
A 'side note' on the loss of a Syrian Mi-25 during attack on Kfar Naboudah (west of Kfar Zita), on 7 October.
For the start, 'a quick and dirty ID guide on Hinds in Syria':
1st attached photo: Syrian Mi-25
2nd attached photo: Russian Mi-24P
Notable: light camo of Syrian example, relatively 'dark' camo of Russian example.
Problem: from distance, either appears 'dark', because aircraft and helicopters tend to appear 'dark' against 'light' sky.
Apparent result: all videos of Mi-24s active over Kfar Zita area appear to show Russian examples.
But, during the evening of 7 October, pro-regime sources reported the death of 'fighter pilot Khalil Wardi' during the battle for Kfar Naboudah. This report appeared around the same time like reports about 'retreat' of regime forces from Kfar Naboudah, and at the same time two insurgent groups claimed downing a Hind. Video of low-flying Mi-24 appearing over the area, quickly landing near 'source of smoke', then flying away appeared on the next morning. Video of that 'source of smoke' appeared shortly after, together with a bunch of other videos showing Hind-activity...
3rd attached photo: closer look at some of helicopters seen on various videos 'reveals' some of them wearing 'light' camo. This 'confirms' numerous media reports about activity of Assad's helicopters over the combat zone - on 7 and on 8 October. Indeed, on 7 October (start of offensive on Kfar Zita) only Syrian Mi-25s were active there.
Other attached photos point at armament of Russian Mi-24s which - including B-8B pods for unguided rockets and AT-6 or AT-14 ATGMs - is entirely different than that of Syrian Mi-25s (usually consisting of UB-32-57 rocket pods, gun-pods, and bombs).
Finally, on morning of 8 October, a video surfaced showing a Mi-24/25 going down over a village south of Kfar Naboudah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzaLjObB92w
Bottom line: regime says it lost a pilot within the combat zone on 7 October. Subsequently it turns out the pilot in question was actually flying helicopters. Two insurgent groups claim a helicopter downed over Kfar Naboudah on 7 October. No other helicopters but regime's Mi-25s were active there on 7 October. Multiple Hinds - regime's and Russian - were active there on 8 October. MEDEVAC-like activity of anther helicopter was confirmed within the combat zone on 8 October.
Conclusion: regime lost another Mi-25. Pilot KIA, rest of crew recovered in unknown condition.
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