Results 1 to 20 of 3394

Thread: Ukraine: Russo-Ukr War (June-December 2015)

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    ATO Staff spokesman: Russia-backed militants break ceasefire 224 times in the last three days
    http://uacrisis.org/26886-anton_myronovych

    08:45am #Donetsk @Serzzze Up to 100 RUS troops on 3 BTR & 1 UAZ passing circus along Leninsky Ave westwards

    From Mospine to Komsomolske: 3 groups of armor, 30-35 tanks and 55-60 BMPs each. https://twitter.com/Legioner_sniper/...81127104299009

    1 civilian was killed and one wounded after hitting a mine near Donetsk today - Abroskin
    https://m.facebook.com/Vyacheslav.Ab...96?pnref=story

  2. #2
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-19-2015 at 07:45 PM.

  3. #3
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty

    Does this below appear to be the so called Russia interest in resolving the conflict AND OR Russia actually contributing to the conflict.

    News from LPR&DPR terrorist republics:
    1) Russian militants received salary in USD
    2) allowed to use heavy artillery
    3) huge forces massing
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-19-2015 at 07:50 PM.

  4. #4
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    Full Minsk 2 Agreement---

    NOTICE what exactly the first two points in this agreement are followed by the next points that had to be implemented followed by the remaining critical points.

    Putin and Lavrov both seem to want to go straight to decentralization, amnesty and special status WITHOUT implementing the critical first series of points in the agreement.

    SO why the smoke and mirrors?????? Just implement fully the first six points and all else falls into place---WHY do they constantly put the cart in front of the horse.

    WHY do they do it--because Russia does not want to implement a single point of Minsk 2--you see that in the multiple statements made by the Russia FM.

    • Immediate and full ceasefire in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine and its strict fulfilment as of 00.00 midnight (Kiev time) on Feb. 15, 2015.

    • Pull-out of all heavy weapons by both sides to equal distance with the aim of creation of a security zone on minimum 50 kilometres apart for artillery of 100mm calibre or more, and a security zone of 70km for MLRS and 140 kilometres for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and tactical missile systems Tochka U.

    – for Ukrainian troops, from actual line of contact;

    – for armed formations of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine, from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014


    • The pullout of the above mentioned heavy weapons has to start no later than the second day after the ceasefire and finish within 14 days.

    • This process will be assisted by OSCE with the support of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Effective monitoring and verification of ceasefire regime and pullout of heavy weapons by OSCE will be provided from the first day of pullout, using all necessary technical means such as satellites, drones, radio-location systems etc.


    • On the first day after the pullout a dialogue is to start on modalities of conducting local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian legislation and the Law of Ukraine “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” and also about the future of these districts based on the above mentioned law.

    • Without delays, but no later than 30 days from the date of signing of this document, a resolution has to be approved by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, indicating the territory which falls under the special regime in accordance with the law “On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts,” based in the line set up by the Minsk Memorandum as of Sept. 19, 2014.


    • Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular departments of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts of Ukraine.

    • Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of “all for all”. This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).

    • Provide safe access, delivery, storage and distribution of humanitarian aid to the needy, based on an international mechanism.

    • Define the modalities of a full restoration of social and economic connections, including social transfers, such as payments of pensions and other payments (income and revenue, timely payment of communal bills, restoration of tax payments within the framework of Ukrainian legal field)

    • With this aim, Ukraine will restore management over the segment of its banking system in the districts affected by the conflict, and possibly, an international mechanism will be established to ease such transactions.

    • Restore full control over the state border by Ukrainian government in the whole conflict zone, which has to start on the first day after the local election and end after the full political regulation (local elections in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts based on the law of Ukraine and Constitutional reform) by the end of 2015, on the condition of fulfilment of Point 11 – in consultations and in agreement with representatives of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

    • Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.

    • Constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new Constitution to come into effect by the end of 2015, the key element of which is decentralisation (taking into account peculiarities of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, agreed with representatives of these districts), and also approval of permanent legislation on special status of particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts in accordance with the measures spelt out in the footnotes, by the end of 2015.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-19-2015 at 08:16 PM.

  5. #5
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Taken from comments made today by the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov--then the reality in the eastern Ukraine followed by the complete Minsk 2 to show how the Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt.


    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It’s vital that we helped the #Ukrainian people resolve a crisis that is not #Russia’s doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to punish us for #Ukrainians’ refusal to unanimously approve a state coup

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They decided to shift the blame to us for bringing the situation in #Ukraine to an unconstitutional overthrow

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: It was their choice. They suspended any communication with #Russia, and are now searching for ways to resume it without losing face

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: If they propose unblocking communications channels, we won’t be vindictive; we will reciprocate

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: The rights of Donetsk and Lugansk as part of #Ukraine must be fully respected during conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: They also depend on us politically. We are urging respect for their legitimate rights as part of the #Ukrainian nation

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Of course, we can influence Donetsk and Lugansk. They seriously depend on us, in particular for humanitarian assistance

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These people have a different view of the situation. They live under constant shelling. Some of them have been driven to despair

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: I believe that we don’t have a moral right to dictate to them what they must or must not do

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Our main achievement is that following #Minsk2 Donetsk and Lugansk agreed to search for a solution as part of #Ukraine

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We have convinced Lugansk and Donetsk to support #Minsk2, to agree that its implementation must ensure #Ukraine’s integrity

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: Under #Minsk2, almost nothing depends on #Russia apart from the pledge to influence the sides, which we have been doing

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: These regions must have special status within #Ukraine, as provided for in #Minsk2 in terms of the decentralisation of power

    Lavrov: #Russia supported #Minsk2 wholeheartedly and without any reservation. It fully meets our stance on conflict settlement

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Lavrov: Questioning the potential of #Minsk2 and #Ukraine’s integrity would amount to bowing to extremists

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    #Lavrov: We want Kiev to implement all provisions, including decentralisation, constitutional reform and amnesty
    The Russian FM lies using the Russian propaganda 4Ds --dismiss, distract, distort, dismay designed to create 2Ds ---distrust and doubt

    To verify the lie just simply check the actual Minsk 2 Agreement and ask a very simple question--has Russia implemented a single point in the Agreement???? Then compare it against the ongoing reality in eastern Ukraine against the Minsk 2 Agreement.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-19-2015 at 08:34 PM.

  6. #6
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    Shakhtarsk 23:25
    "25 trucks with escort from #Donetsk towards east.
    Russian bitches stealing." https://twitter.com/Helgi__UA/status/611994797671383040

    23:25 #Shakhtarsk @Helgi__UA 25 escorted 18-wheelers fr/#Donetsk eastwards.
    #donbasreports [museums going east?]

    Hundreds of #Putin mercenaries from #Crimea & #Rostov arrive in #Donetsk http://translate.googleusercontent.c...2vuhcEmGSvYT-w … pic.twitter.com/i3ogjzQ9Ck

    23:21 @DmitriyKatsapov It sounds like another battle in #Maryinka

    According to the "miner/tractor-driver" from Tyumen he has a military contract for 3 years of fighting in Donbass." https://twitter.com/nixer79/status/611981505842298880

    OSCE monitors see many of Donbas militants' weapons banned by Minsk pic.twitter.com/RcVXr66TKN http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...itants-weapons

    Well, that's a lot of ammo... A lot...
    Molodohvardiis'k mine area, #Krasnodon district, #Luhansk region. #Ukraine https://twitter.com/Katz_741/status/611957287368925184

    youtube.com/watch?v=7bvEE9dbr4w … '#Somalia' Russians wax 'I'll be back!' at #DonetskAirport. Back to #Russia in boxes?#Ukraine pic.twitter.com/08ZmXlCTPr

    VIDEO #Putin DNR-Whatever #Zakharchenko now developing a growing business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ2-Gx5Ni4 …Marijuana pic.twitter.com/dRpj6WJNc0

    @nolanwpeterson "Ukrainian sniper in #Pisky #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/IGZGV2KV3I"

    Putin: "US exit from the Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty pushed Russia towards a new arms race" http://www.mediafax.ro/externe/vladi...marii-14476444

    #OSCE SMM saw *66* Russian T-72/T-64 main battle tanks (MBT) in different areas of occupied Donbas on 18 Jun http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/165461
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-19-2015 at 09:12 PM.

  7. #7
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    http://maidantranslations.com/2015/0...freesavchenko/

    Dmitry Tymchuk: Military update 6.18

    Posted on June 19, 2015 by tilamuse

    Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

    Operational data from Information Resistance:

    The activity of the Russian-terrorist forces in Donbas continues to increase. Besides fire strikes (including the ones from heavy weapons), attempted tactical offensives by [insurgent] gangs have increased in several directions.

    Starting from the evening of June 16 and until the morning of June 18, Russian-terrorist forces have made at least five attempts to break through the defenses of Ukrainian troops in the vicinity of Mar’inka, at the same time carrying out massive shellings of the ATO forces’ positions. At the moment, the situation in this area more closely resembles the situation near the Donetsk airport (DAP) during its defense by Ukrainian troops in the winter of 2014—2015, when terrorists concentrated significant forces to shell ATO troop positions and carried out offensive actions continuously.

    On the night of June 16 to 17, 2015, [insurgent] gangs attempted to perform the task they desperately failed to accomplish on the afternoon of June 3, during a large-scale assault on Mar’inka. At dusk, an enemy tactical group numbering 100-120 people accumulated in the vicinity of a [collective] farm, and another group (up to 50 people) collected from the direction of Olexandrivka. Meanwhile, three T-72B tanks of terrorists came up to the “neutral zone” and shelled the ATO forces’ positions with high-explosive shells, alternating between reaching the distance of direct fire, and leaving the starting line. After a relatively short shelling (each tank released 10 to 15 rounds), insurgents began shelling the positions of Ukrainian troops from 120-mm mortars, covering the retreat of their tanks. After the pulling back their armored vehicles, the insurgents launched an attack (trying to enter the flanks of the Ukrainian units), which was foiled by dense automatic machine-gun fire, from the ATO forces’ AGS-17 and 82-mm mortars.

    During the past 24 hours, insurgents were also particularly active in the direction of Artemivsk.

    Insurgents used 9P132 “Grad-P” MLRS in the vicinity of Troitske; the shells [for this system] are delivered by insurgents in “UAZ” vehicles. Meanwhile, the enemy has also used BM-21 “Grad” MLRS in this area.

    Terrorists have used 122-mm artillery and 120-mm mortars massively – south of Donetsk (in the vicinity of Hranitne and Starohnativka).

    In the area of Shchastya and Stanytsia Luhanska, the enemy has fired from infantry weapons; an enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group has also been observed. Terrorists have fired on the positions of the ATO forces in the vicinity of Toshkivka, Novotoshkivka, Krymske, and Triokhizbenka from SPG-9 “Spear” grenade launchers and AGS-17; 152-mm artillery has also been used.

    Movements of insurgent equipment and forces:

    • A convoy (15 Kamaz / Ural tented trucks, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers on a trailer, and two MT-LB) proceeded through Yenakijeve towards Horlivka.

    • In Luhansk, a build-up of armored vehicles continues – five tanks and two BMP-2 have arrived; a “Strela-10M” air defense missile system was detected in a convoy.

    • The transfer of six BMP-2 was observed between Obilne and Starobesheve in the direction of Donetsk. BMPs look as if they have been “restored” after combat.

    • Seven tanks, one Ural [truck] with a ZU-23-2 and four Kamaz [trucks] accompanied by “DNR police”cars have arrived in the Kyivskyi district of Donetsk from Makiivka.

    • Transfer of a 152-mm 2S3 “Akatsiyia” self-propelled artillery accompanied by two BTR-80 was observed between Lutuhyne and Novofedorivka; the vehicles were moving in the direction of Krasnyi Luch.

Similar Threads

  1. How effective have Arab armies been at 'small wars'?
    By davidbfpo in forum Middle East
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 01-10-2014, 10:57 AM
  2. War is War
    By Michael C in forum Futurists & Theorists
    Replies: 101
    Last Post: 10-09-2010, 06:23 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •