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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
    Cannot believe the good Congressman would believe social media would not have run down what was behind his amendment.

    http://zik.ua/en/news/2015/06/14/ant...vochkin_598626

    Anti-Ukrainian provocation in USA was bankrolled by S. Liovochkin

    Ex-Regions heavyweight member Serhy Liovochkin was behind the anti-Ukrainian provocation in the United States aimed at declaring the ‘Azov’ volunteer battalion a neo-Nazi unit and banning to give Ukraine mobile AA missiles, Ihor Mosijchuk, a Radical party lawmaker, writes in Facebook June 14, citing his own investigation.

    “The links to US Congress adopting a ban to provide instructors for ‘Azov’ servicemen and supply mobile AA Stinger missiles lead to Kyiv,” he writes.

    The lobbying was done, under contract with Liovochkin, by US spin doctor Paul Mannafort whose services had been used by ex-president Yanukovych, Mosijchuk says.

    The ban was initiated in the Congress by Congressman John Conniers

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    Reference Moldavian elections---Transnistria

    REPORTS OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CHECKING PEOPLE FROM TRANSNISTRIA THAT WERE TRYING TO VOTE
    http://agora.md/stiri/9909/rata-de-p...u-unii-votanti

    REPORTS OF BEATINGS IN POLLING STATIONS, PEOPLE BROUGHT BY BUS OR WITH AMBULANCES TO VOTE, OR PAID WITH MONEY OR DRINKS.

    BREAKING: PARTIAL RESULTS SHOW PRO-RUSSIAN CANDIDATE(ACTUALLY BORN IN RUSSIA) WON THE CAPITAL CHISINAU
    http://www.realitatea.md/live-text--...lei_22295.html
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    #Donetsk 22:29
    Proletarka - Loud BOOM minute ago, unclear what was https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610174902444924929

    9:45PM
    Anti-aircraft guns shooting again over the southern outskirts of #Luhansk... Very loud. https://twitter.com/Edward_Lugansk/s...56011400335360

    #Donetsk 21:17
    Trudovsky ds - loud volleys https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610155148371955714

    #Russia|n snipers firing from trenches on the #Marinka front line near #Donetsk City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=174&v=AJyWZK2B_f0

    VIDEO Russian Hybrid Battlegroup 'Diesel' says it's ready to attack.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPL5IyKhYA … pic.twitter.com/EsJg34VtOB

    "Separatist" leader Givi wounded in ammunition dump strike in #Donetsk https://www.facebook.com/vasul.andri...42?pnref=story … pic.twitter.com/PJToucgrBD
    Militant Givi, who forced Ukrainian POWs to eat uniform patches, rumored to have been wounded.

    Strelkov aka Girkin (on the left) 1992 in Bosnia pic.twitter.com/jDfRCidc7i
    The individual who started the so called “separatist” movement in the Donbas
    GRU and FSB officer

    9:52PM
    #Avdiivka small arms shooting, sounds like tanks at #Optyne and something heavy at #Pisky. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/610157922870513665

    Yesterday a #Russia(n) convoy of 10 Urals,13 armored vehicles,etc entered Shahtarsk #Ukraine http://translate.googleusercontent.c...k1BDp-0cHtxrQQ … pic.twitter.com/XlumiwWlAU

    Rus backed fighters firing from trenches on the front line in Donetsk region (@rConflictNews) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyWZK2B_f0 … pic.twitter.com/MWDWpGbBah

    Ground fighting is still ongoing here--------
    #Marinka 22:15PM
    Skirmish in road police post area

    Ground fighting is ongoing here------
    #Avdiivka
    Ongoing battle https://twitter.com/Olga_kievljanka/...69041995608064

    15:22 #Volodymyrivka, #Artemovsk raion @solomazheka the 2nd a day UAV flew over fr/NE to/SW fr/#Novomykhaylivka tow/Kyrylivka

    Militants keep intensely firing at Ukr forces and towns: 65 times during the day. Highest no. at #Donetsk direction https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/po...13523328658473

    Volunteer Bogdan Kovalyov: No truce today in #Marinka - 2 KIA and 15 WIA http://censor.net.ua/news/340038/v_r...ce=twitterfeed

    Today in #Pisky perished a Dnipro-1 regiment serrviceman, head of #Donetsk Leninsky ds Svoboda party org Ihor Kanakov @vo_svoboda
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-14-2015 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #Donetsk 22:29
    Proletarka - Loud BOOM minute ago, unclear what was https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610174902444924929

    9:45PM
    Anti-aircraft guns shooting again over the southern outskirts of #Luhansk... Very loud. https://twitter.com/Edward_Lugansk/s...56011400335360

    #Donetsk 21:17
    Trudovsky ds - loud volleys https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610155148371955714

    #Russia|n snipers firing from trenches on the #Marinka front line near #Donetsk City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=174&v=AJyWZK2B_f0

    VIDEO Russian Hybrid Battlegroup 'Diesel' says it's ready to attack.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPL5IyKhYA … pic.twitter.com/EsJg34VtOB

    "Separatist" leader Givi wounded in ammunition dump strike in #Donetsk https://www.facebook.com/vasul.andri...42?pnref=story … pic.twitter.com/PJToucgrBD
    Militant Givi, who forced Ukrainian POWs to eat uniform patches, rumored to have been wounded.

    Strelkov aka Girkin (on the left) 1992 in Bosnia pic.twitter.com/jDfRCidc7i
    The individual who started the so called “separatist” movement in the Donbas
    GRU and FSB officer

    9:52PM
    #Avdiivka small arms shooting, sounds like tanks at #Optyne and something heavy at #Pisky. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/610157922870513665

    Yesterday a #Russia(n) convoy of 10 Urals,13 armored vehicles,etc entered Shahtarsk #Ukraine http://translate.googleusercontent.c...k1BDp-0cHtxrQQ … pic.twitter.com/XlumiwWlAU

    Rus backed fighters firing from trenches on the front line in Donetsk region (@rConflictNews) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyWZK2B_f0 … pic.twitter.com/MWDWpGbBah

    Ground fighting is still ongoing here--------
    #Marinka 22:15PM
    Skirmish in road police post area

    Ground fighting is ongoing here------
    #Avdiivka
    Ongoing battle https://twitter.com/Olga_kievljanka/...69041995608064

    15:22 #Volodymyrivka, #Artemovsk raion @solomazheka the 2nd a day UAV flew over fr/NE to/SW fr/#Novomykhaylivka tow/Kyrylivka

    Militants keep intensely firing at Ukr forces and towns: 65 times during the day. Highest no. at #Donetsk direction https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/po...13523328658473
    #Putin created DNR mercenary "Givi" HQ was blown to bits by #Ukraine artillery http://translate.googleusercontent.c...0L1aDl8U-JQMMA … pic.twitter.com/LhDuzfttnc

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    #Donetsk 22:29
    Proletarka - Loud BOOM minute ago, unclear what was https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610174902444924929

    9:45PM
    Anti-aircraft guns shooting again over the southern outskirts of #Luhansk... Very loud. https://twitter.com/Edward_Lugansk/s...56011400335360

    #Donetsk 21:17
    Trudovsky ds - loud volleys https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610155148371955714

    #Russia|n snipers firing from trenches on the #Marinka front line near #Donetsk City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=174&v=AJyWZK2B_f0

    VIDEO Russian Hybrid Battlegroup 'Diesel' says it's ready to attack.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPL5IyKhYA … pic.twitter.com/EsJg34VtOB

    "Separatist" leader Givi wounded in ammunition dump strike in #Donetsk https://www.facebook.com/vasul.andri...42?pnref=story … pic.twitter.com/PJToucgrBD
    Militant Givi, who forced Ukrainian POWs to eat uniform patches, rumored to have been wounded.

    Strelkov aka Girkin (on the left) 1992 in Bosnia pic.twitter.com/jDfRCidc7i
    The individual who started the so called “separatist” movement in the Donbas
    GRU and FSB officer

    9:52PM
    #Avdiivka small arms shooting, sounds like tanks at #Optyne and something heavy at #Pisky. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/610157922870513665

    Yesterday a #Russia(n) convoy of 10 Urals,13 armored vehicles,etc entered Shahtarsk #Ukraine http://translate.googleusercontent.c...k1BDp-0cHtxrQQ … pic.twitter.com/XlumiwWlAU

    Rus backed fighters firing from trenches on the front line in Donetsk region (@rConflictNews) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyWZK2B_f0 … pic.twitter.com/MWDWpGbBah

    Ground fighting is still ongoing here--------
    #Marinka 22:15PM
    Skirmish in road police post area

    Ground fighting is ongoing here------
    #Avdiivka
    Ongoing battle https://twitter.com/Olga_kievljanka/...69041995608064

    15:22 #Volodymyrivka, #Artemovsk raion @solomazheka the 2nd a day UAV flew over fr/NE to/SW fr/#Novomykhaylivka tow/Kyrylivka

    Militants keep intensely firing at Ukr forces and towns: 65 times during the day. Highest no. at #Donetsk direction https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/po...13523328658473

    Volunteer Bogdan Kovalyov: No truce today in #Marinka - 2 KIA and 15 WIA http://censor.net.ua/news/340038/v_r...ce=twitterfeed

    Today in #Pisky perished a Dnipro-1 regiment serrviceman, head of #Donetsk Leninsky ds Svoboda party org Ihor Kanakov @vo_svoboda
    And it just keeps on------

    #Kirovsk 23:25
    Several powerful outgoing https://twitter.com/AngelMorbit/stat...81928310976513

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    Serious ongoing ground fight this evening---Russian troops may have broken across the Minsk 2 contact line—NOW the serious question for Obama is –do you stand on your G7 statements concerning if the fighting gets worse harder sanctions will be imposed???—IF not then what is the worth of anything any future US President states on anything???

    #Marinka 23:20
    Sound of battle again, from the Sovkhoz (state farm) area https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610183322984140800

    Marinka 23:35
    Fight continues. Sovkhoz (state farm), and Novomarinka area. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...85108977524737

    This is the only realistic scenario for that firing direction.
    Russian forces between #Marinka and #Krasnohorivka.
    pic.twitter.com/fhuO6IKXZ4

    Krasnohorivka 23:13
    Explosions https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610183136031469569

    Second serious fighting is ongoing here as well as the Russians are also attempting to cross the Minsk 2 line here as well.

    VIDEO Fierce fight erupts near #Donetsk Airport (ruins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfPMF1GLyk … #Ukraine #Russia #Putin pic.twitter.com/Lez6wn2YSI

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    Battle restarted in #Mariinka tonight according to multiple sources. Daylight already brought several #Ukraine casualties
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 06-14-2015 at 09:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Serious ongoing ground fight this evening---Russian troops may have broken across the Minsk 2 contact line—NOW the serious question for Obama is –do you stand on your G7 statements concerning if the fighting gets worse harder sanctions will be imposed???—IF not then what is the worth of anything any future US President states on anything???

    #Marinka 23:20
    Sound of battle again, from the Sovkhoz (state farm) area https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610183322984140800

    Marinka 23:35
    Fight continues. Sovkhoz (state farm), and Novomarinka area. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/statu...85108977524737

    This is the only realistic scenario for that firing direction.
    Russian forces between #Marinka and #Krasnohorivka.
    pic.twitter.com/fhuO6IKXZ4

    Krasnohorivka 23:13
    Explosions https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610183136031469569

    Second serious fighting is ongoing here as well as the Russians are also attempting to cross the Minsk 2 line here as well.

    VIDEO Fierce fight erupts near #Donetsk Airport (ruins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qfPMF1GLyk … #Ukraine #Russia #Putin pic.twitter.com/Lez6wn2YSI
    If this is in fact true then Obama has a serious creditability problem on his hands if the US does not react.

    Appears Russian troops have in fact broken across the Minsk 2 contact line.

    Russia|n forces break through #Ukraine defensive lines in #Marinka. Close combat fighting around the hospital now.

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    AND the shellings just keep on shelling----an example just from the night--still ongoing into the morning now.

    3:53AM
    "Chopped up very strongly with mortar shells, 5 minutes every hour, poor #Marinka... Again in smoke" https://twitter.com/Ykrainaponadyse/...48791896272896

    #Luhansk 1:33AM
    AA-gun shooting again it city south-east https://twitter.com/LUGANSKA_JUNTA/s...06095206948864

    1:18AM
    "Also in #Shchastya the whole evening SPGs and AA-guns play ping pong with shells." https://twitter.com/eugen_bullfinch/...09833871101953

    #Horlivka 4:35AM
    Shooting, something heavier. https://twitter.com/_John__Carter_/s...59179849302017

    #Volnovakha 4:03AM
    Towards #Starohnativka / #Staroignatievka heavy rumble since 20 minutes. https://twitter.com/lapa545/status/610251329760555009

    #Donetsk 3:44AM
    Kirovskyi district - Continuously from 3:30 artillery salvos began or MRLS singles https://twitter.com/ropogckou/status/610246449700409344

    #Donetsk 3:49AM
    Petrovka - heavy singles outgoing https://twitter.com/zzzwefzzz/status/610247610415357952

    Lysychansk 3:40AM
    Assault rifles shooting https://twitter.com/rescuero/status/610245466220032000

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference Moldavian elections---Transnistria

    REPORTS OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CHECKING PEOPLE FROM TRANSNISTRIA THAT WERE TRYING TO VOTE
    http://agora.md/stiri/9909/rata-de-p...u-unii-votanti

    REPORTS OF BEATINGS IN POLLING STATIONS, PEOPLE BROUGHT BY BUS OR WITH AMBULANCES TO VOTE, OR PAID WITH MONEY OR DRINKS.

    BREAKING: PARTIAL RESULTS SHOW PRO-RUSSIAN CANDIDATE(ACTUALLY BORN IN RUSSIA) WON THE CAPITAL CHISINAU
    http://www.realitatea.md/live-text--...lei_22295.html
    BREAKING: SURPRISING FINAL RESULTS IN MOLDOVA ELECTIONS(CHISINAU) - PRO-EU CAND. 37%, PRO-RUSSIAN 36%! WILL BE SETTLED IN 2ND ROUND

    #Russia passports handed out in #Transnistria as Russian media claim #Ukraine planning war: http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1434310866 … pic.twitter.com/OiXRG8xcYO

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    BREAKING: SURPRISING FINAL RESULTS IN MOLDOVA ELECTIONS(CHISINAU) - PRO-EU CAND. 37%, PRO-RUSSIAN 36%! WILL BE SETTLED IN 2ND ROUND

    #Russia passports handed out in #Transnistria as Russian media claim #Ukraine planning war: http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1434310866 … pic.twitter.com/OiXRG8xcYO
    Read here abt Russia's incredible claims that Ukraine is planning to attack Transnistria. Russia's purpose not clear http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1434310866

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    Sweden Denounces Russias Unpredictable Airspace Provocations http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/15-june...e-provocations … pic.twitter.com/6lXOk8ie4I

    Has Givi died from his wounds?
    https://twitter.com/raging545/status/610450898687512576

    Report: #Givi the leader of the "battalion "Somalia" DOA after a shell hit the militant's HQ in #Donetsk http://patrioty.org.ua/likaryam-ne-v...rt-svogo-bosa/

    Zakharchenko: DNR is an independent country and will not be part of Ukraine http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/15-june...untry-and-wont … via @EgoRZemtsoV

    And it is a violation of Minsk agreement. There are no "DNR" or "LNR" there https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/610466297474846720

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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...eal-nightmare/

    Putin’s unrealizable dream vs. his all too-real nightmare

    2015/06/15 •

    That Vladimir Putin lives in a different reality than do other world leaders is now more or less common ground. Now, two commentators have described respectively what the Kremlin leader dreams about and what his worst nightmare might turn out to be.

    In a commentary of Kyiv’s “Novoye vremya,” Yury Felshtinsky, a Russian historian who now lives in the US, says that Putin’s dream is that the world will treat his Russia as having a status equal to that of the United States, something the writer says is beyond his capacity to achieve.

    For Putin, Felshtinsky says, “the US is the main problem. Not Chechnya, not Georgia and not Ukraine.” But he has a problem: “Perhaps America would be glad to recognize Russia as an equal partner but Russia has nothing besides Gazprom, and the earnings of Gazprom are less than those of the American company Apple.”

    “America has no ideology regarding Russia. It wants to see Russia as it wants to see everyone else as a peaceful and reliable partner in politics and business,” he continues. However, “there cannot be relations of parity between the two because Russia in the literal sense is not a great power. It exports raw materials and imports everything else.”

    “Over the course of the last century,” he writes, Russia “has destroyed its farmers and its own intellectuals, carried out the terror famine in Ukraine, and conducted a global purge of its own Soviet communist nomenklatura and army. And the Soviet Union fought with Hitler only because the latter attacked it.”

    In contrast, “Washington dreams only about one thing” – that Russia will stop causing problems. “No one ever expected anything good from Russia, only something bad,” although when periods of a warming of the relationship happen, “all are ready to accept this as a long-term strategic change and look with hope into the eyes of Putin, a KGB guy who, as President Bush said, one could believe.”

    “Unfortunately,” he writes, “ordinary Americans on the whole do not think or know anything about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict: if you turn on the main American television channels, you won’t hear about Crimea, Luhansk or the Donbas.”

    And when Putin annexed Crimea, “almost all world leaders indicated to Putin that they were ready to recognize the annexation if Putin would declare an end to his plans for seizing the territory of the former Soviet republics.” Putin spat in their faces, declaring the existence of a Russian world that he would defend and denying that Ukraine was a state at all.

    But now it is clear that Putin’s Russia doesn’t have the resources to carry out his threats. “There is a lot of boldness, bluffing, and even more bad behavior, but the boorishness of Zhirinovsky and Rogozin won’t help you to take on America.” What you can do and what Putin has done is to harm Russia.”

    “One can intimidate the entire world with nuclear weapons; one can help Iran and North Korea; one can kill Nemtsov; one can poison Kara-Murza; and one can ban the import of sprats from the Baltics,” Felshtinsky says. But those who will suffer as a result of this ban are not the Balts but the Russians.

    Putin, of course, “is thinking in other categories. This is already not about money; it is about eternity, empire and glory. Putin has to prepare Russia for global isolation from the West in the case of the beginning of a major war. Sprats are a serious test of Russians’ firmness, because if they are not ready to live without sprats, they won’t fight for Putin. But if they will, then they will be able to do everything else.”

    “The time for talks with Russia, unfortunately, has passed,” Felshtinsky concludes. “Russia does not plan to reach agreement with the West, but the West sincerely does not understand how one can reach an agreement with a negotiating partner if he does not plan to agree on anything.”

    If Putin’s dream is to have his country be treated as the equal of the United States, his nightmare is that he is on course to become a second Gorbachev and preside over the disintegration of his country into a plethora of smaller states with himself ousted from the stage of big politics and history.

    In a comment on Ekho Moskvy, Aleksandr Goldfarb, the head of the Litvinenko Foundation in London, says that there are some good reasons why Putin may have such fears. The Soviet Union fell apart “quickly and unexpectedly” because of the coming together of five factors: there was a war in Afghanistan, a collapse in oil prices, the non-existence of the Soviet economy, corruption and cynicism among the elite, and pressure from the West.

    Now, all five of these have been recreated: there is a war in Ukraine, a collapse in oil prices, a systemic economic crisis, corruption and “colossal income differentiation,” and Western sanctions and “a course directed at isolating Russia.”

    “Economists predict,” Goldfarb says, “that the stabilization fund will run out of money within a year, that then inflation will reach 25 percent and social dissatisfaction will rise. Oil apparently isn’t going to become more expensive. The Ukrainian fiasco will be no smaller than [the Soviet one] in Afghanistan, and the West will not weaken sanctions.”

    Moreover, he continues, “whatever anyone says, [the West] has clearly adopted a course directed at regime change” in Russia. “In this situation, Putin has three options.”

    First, he can leave office and transfer power to one of his slightly less corrupt comrades in arms, hoping against hope that they won’t turn him over to the international court even as they reverse his policies and his support disappears “like smoke.”

    Second, Putin can “tighten the screws, extend the war, completely break with the West and build a mobilization economy.” That could extend his rule for “many years,” but he could achieve these things only by instituting the kind of purges of his colleagues that Stalin used to maintain his power.

    And “finally” there is “the third path: do nothing and await the collapse of the economy, an uncontrolled disintegration with an unpredictable outcome” as the situation spins “out of control.”

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