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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Russian propaganda outside of having the 4Ds and 2Ds also uses the concept of reverse flip augments.

    Meaning they will argue that say the Ukraine has been the chief violator of the Minsk 2 by shelling them 31 times when they are the verified violators by the OSCE and JCCC or the Ukraine is getting ready for an invasion of eastern Ukraine thus their need to pull their heavy weapons up to the Minsk 2 contact line and on and on.

    OR they launch a major ground attack verified by OSCE and THEN claim it was the Ukrainians who attacked them.

    They simply take what they will be doing and reverse flip it ---arguing it is what the Ukrainians will be doing--you see this well presented in this interview.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P41SQ20150624

    World | Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:37am EDT
    Related: World, Russia

    Russian former leader of Ukraine rebels warns of 'big war'

    MOSCOW | By Anton Zverev

    Strelkov also fought as a GRU officer with Serbian mercenaries in Kosovo and is reported to be wanted for war crimes there.
    What is interesting about this small piece of propaganda is the term "half frozen"--in the West media it is often talked about--that eastern Ukraine will sink into a typical Russian "frozen conflict" such as we see in Moldaiva and Georgia.

    What has happen though is that Russia has been effectively "frozen" in their own actions in the eastern Ukraine---meaning they have vastly overreached their timeline and war costs are eating them up and even their own elite Spetsnaz are not able to get a decisive ground breakthrough on the contact line and the Ukrainian Army is showing a surprising resilence that Russia has vastly underestimated.

    The entire eastern Ukraine Russian adventure is costing them a now estimated 40-50M USD per day and that is up from initially 35M per day or say at 40M USD per day 1.2B USD per month.

    Russia is now totally responsible for financially supporting the Donbass, feeding the Donbass, providing fuel, electricity and gas and must provide jobs and social services--that is why they keep complaining that the Ukraine should be doing it under Minsk 2.

    This is not what they envisioned when they started their anti Ukraine UW campaign.

    At some point they will be faced with a critical decision --go for the entire Ukraine or pull out--keeping the Donbass in limbo will kill them economically.
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 06-24-2015 at 03:47 PM.

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