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    This is an interesting interview as it appears that Russia has come full circle in their "myths" on why they are in the Ukraine and took Crimea.

    First during Crimea it was "humiliation, then it was NATO expansion, then it all the fault of the US wanting to dictate to the whole world, then it was not accepting Russia as a superpower BUT notice not a single word is wasted on maybe they are at fault--"it is everyone else's fault".

    NOTICE that he has come full circle and now includes all "myths" into one interview.

    BUT at no point does he indicate that the former Ukrainian President who fled his own country did so in the middle of the night taking millions with him--AND his own Parliament and Party of Regions "stripped him of his powers and position"---that is a long way from a junta that he keeps beating the drum about.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/802418

    West's support for state coup in Ukraine prime cause of crisis in Ukraine — Putin

    June 19, 16:01 UTC+3

    St PETERSBURG, June 19. /TASS/. The prime cause of the crisis in Ukraine was the West's support for the anti-constitutional coup and not Russia, President Vladimir Putin said on Friday as he answered questions at a plenary session of the St Petersburg International Economic Forum.

    "We are not the root-cause of the showings of the crisis that are taking place in Ukraine," he said. "They shouldn't have supported the anti-state and anti-constitutional coup, the armed seizure of power that eventually ignited a tough confrontation and de facto a civil war in that country."

    The vanishing of the bipolar world and the disintegration of the USSR threw the U.S. and its Western partners into a state of euphoria of some kind - instead of building good-neighborly relations, they started exploring new territories. In part, NATO began its eastwards expansion.

    "Quite possibly, some of our partners might have gotten an illusion that a global center like the Soviet Union had existed in the postwar world order and now that it was gone, vacuum appeared and it was to be filled urgently," he said.

    "I actually think that’s an erroneous approach to the solution of the problem," Putin said.

    Putin suggests way of settling crisis

    As for ways for settling the crisis, the Russian president said Kiev needs transition from manipulations to practical work. The Ukrainian parliament should have passed a resolution to implement the law on the special status of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, the Russian president said.

    The Ukrainian parliament should have passed a resolution to implement the law on the special status of the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics, the Russian president said.

    "Our friends in Kiev fulfilled this decision formally and along with a resolution adopted by the Verkhovna Rada on implementing this law, they made amendments to the law, as far as I know, to article 10, which fully disavowed this action," Putin said.

    "This is manipulation and nothing else and it is necessary to switch from manipulations to practical work," he said.

    Putin said that in addition to the above mentioned steps Kiev should carry out a constitutional reform, decentralisation, should adopt a law on municipal elections and announce amnesty so that the Minsk agreements can be fulfilled.

    "A political dialogue is impossible with people face a threat of criminal prosecution," he said adding that all this should be implemented with the consent of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    "But unfortunately, we cannot watch any dialogue," the Russian president said. "There are only hints that it is going to start, but too much time has passed since the Minsk agreements were signed."

    Putin has again pointed out that both sides are far from a direct dialogue on economic revival of these regions.

    "The thesis ‘we have no money’ does not work in this case," he said in conclusion. "If the current Ukrainian authorities think that it is Ukraine’s territory and there live the Ukrainians who enjoy the right to be provided with disability benefits or pensions and who have earned them working in accordance with the Ukrainian law, then the Ukrainian authorities cannot deny payments of these benefits as they just have no right to behave so! They are violating their own constitution.".

    Putin also added that Russia hopes for trust-based dialogue with Ukraine.

    In spite of all the current complexities, the Russians and Ukrainians make up a single nation, a single ethnos with a shared history and culture and they are destined to have a common future. he said.

    "We have a shared history, a shared culture with common spiritual roots," Putin said. "Whatever may happen, Russia and Ukraine will be destined to a shared future in one way or another," the president noted.

    He recalled that Russia had initiated the process of disintegration of the USSR and the granting of sovereignty to other former Soviet republics.

    NOTE: This is a telling statement as it absolutely does not reflect the actual breakup of the SU and the heavy hand the SU used in 92-94 in order to hold on those Republics who wanted to break away.

    "Nothing has changed in this sense since then, and today Russia and Ukraine are bound by very practical things in addition to all those ties that formed over centuries," Putin said. "These are the common engineering, energy and transport infrastructure, common regulations, and so on and so forth."

    "Last but not least, we're linked by an opportunity to speak the same language without obstacles," he said.




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    Lutuhyne @HuLutujka 'Commandant' of Lutuhyne S.Drapov is arrested [by RUS]

    Militants fired 50 times today at Ukrainian army positions pic.twitter.com/tsKzDDRJxJ http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...army-positions

    Lysenko warns of possible radiation leak due to explosion at chemical products factory in...
    http://www.unian.info/society/109153...n-donetsk.html … pic.twitter.com/tTETVph6h6

    Tymchuk: Russian forces in E Ukraine received large payments in US dollars. Only other time this happened was before Debaltseve was captured

    Putin: we are not arming anyone in Donbas. Weapon appeared only when Ukrainian army has started to kill http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/19-june...bas-the-weapon

    People are forced to join the ruling 'parties'- LNR 'Peace to Luhansk region civic organization'& DNR 'Donetsk republic civic movement'. Mostly 'state employees' are forced upon pain of dismission - there were reports fr/smaller cities of both regions.

    This week’s whopper Top Extremism- and Terrorism-Related Stories in Russia http://extremistrussia.com/2015/06/1...-19-june-2015/
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