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    Another strong evidence of #Russia special forces' presence in #Ukraine http://yle.fi/uutiset/8073906 (in Fin)

    Leaders of LPR sets miners under pressure. Work without pay, or fighting in ranks of militia. http://nv.ua/ukraine/events/glavari-...aty-53651.html … pic.twitter.com/JIbpD1pwvN

    Rodina and Novotoshkivske under shelling from Pervomaisk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/14-june...rom-pervomaisk … via @GirkinGirkin

    RUS ability to recruit volunteers to fight in Donbas is waning http://voc.tv/1QXepom pic.twitter.com/h83Aeo8CmI
    With reservists losing interest in fighting #Ukraine, will #Russia send more regulars now?

    Militants shelling of #Marinka continued throughout the day, injuring at least one civilian http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/14-june...ued-throughout

    2 Ukr troops KIA, 3 WIA in the Russian shelling of #Maryinka http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/14-june...an-shelling-of
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    For two former Spetsnaz service members who Putin claimed were never on active duty and are POWs—this is a rather strange Russian action if they were in fact “former service members”???

    Friend of Erofeev: "Relatives have been isolated from the whole world. We [their friends] have also been processed. I can't say more"

    .@novaya_gazeta reporter unable to get in touch with relatives of captured Spetznaz; told by officers' friends: "They have been isolated"

    Spetznaz Alexandrov: "I was able to chat with my wife on VK only,no one answers phones. Wife deleted her profile after a few chat attempts"

    Spetznaz POW : "Ukrainian wounded soldiers are met back home as heroes. RU wounded soldiers are being hidden and disowned back home"

    RU consul told Alexandrov "We can't get in touch with your wife or relatives, either". He laughs it off as a lie.
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    FaceBook has been attacked by Ukrainian bloggers for blocking hundreds of Ukrainian FB accounts when Russia trolls challenged those accounts for so called violence or offensive subject matter. FB response to the Ukrainian complaints was basically to fluff them off and conduct business as usual.

    After sending FB numerous examples of FB actively doing the Russian info war troll work for them.

    Seems now that FB might just have gotten the message that they are being played by Russian trolls.

    The issue of account blocking is getting attention. #Facebook representative to visit #Ukraine http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...visit-ukraine/ … pic.twitter.com/OFT4RHZWII

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    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces



    WASHINGTON— Late yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives considered H.R. 2685, the “Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2015.” During consideration of the legislation, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and Congressman Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) offered bipartisan amendments to block the training of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary militia “Azov Battalion,” and to prevent the transfer of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles—otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS)—to Iraq or Ukraine.

    “If there’s one simple lesson we can take away from US involvement in conflicts overseas, it’s this: Beware of unintended consequences. As was made vividly clear with U.S. involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion decades ago, overzealous military assistance or the hyper-weaponization of conflicts can have destabilizing consequences and ultimately undercut our own national interests,” said Rep. John Conyers. “I am grateful that the House of Representatives unanimously passed my amendments last night to ensure that our military does not train members of the repulsive neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, along with my measures to keep the dangerous and easily trafficked MANPADs out of these unstable regions.”

    Ukraine’s Azov Battalion is a 1,000-man volunteer militia of the Ukrainian National Guard that Foreign Policy Magazine has characterized as “openly neo-Nazi,” and “fascist.” Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who oversees Ukraine’s armed militias, announced that Azov troops would be among the first units to be trained by the Pentagon in Operation Fearless Guardian, prompting significant international concern.

    Since their initial use on a battlefield in 1978, MANPAD attacks have resulted in nearly 1,000 civilian deaths.

    Added Conyers, “Both U.S. and Israeli officials have feared that these weapons could be used by terrorists to bring down commercial jets. As the boundaries are increasingly blurred between insurgents fighting the Syrian government and those fighting the Iraqi government, providing additional arms could further destabilize the Middle East. The same can be said for Ukraine, where an anti-aircraft missile allegedly downed Flight MH17 last September, killing 298 civilians. The possibility that MANPADS—or any weapon—could fall into the hands of radical groups in Iraq, Syria, or Ukraine, would unquestionably increase the already-devastating human toll in both of these volatile regions.”

    According to Reuters, The Azov battalion originated from a paramilitary national socialist group called "Patriot of Ukraine", which propagated slogans of white supremacy, racial purity, the need for authoritarian power and a centralized national economy. Azov’s controversial founder, Andriy Biletsky, organized the neo-Nazi group the Social-National Assembly (SNA) in 2008.

    “The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites,” wrote The Telegraph. Since Azov was enrolled as a regiment of Ukraine's National Guard in September and started receiving increased supplies of heavy arms, however, Biletsky has toned down his rhetoric, Reuters reported. According to the Washington Post, battalion members “could potentially strike pro-Russian targets on their own — or even turn on the [Ukrainian] government” if it pursues a diplomatic resolution to the conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
    Seems the good Congressman "forgot" to ask the Ukrainians what they think of the "so called Nazi Regiment Azov" that he passed an amendment on in the Defense Spending Bill.

    RESIDENTS OF #MARIUPOL THANK THE #AZOV FOR LIBERATING THE CITY FROM THE #TERRORISTS OF #DNR https://www.facebook.com/uarighttraditions/posts/856890501064360[/url] … pic.twitter.com/VehTCZed4M

    AND I am not so sure he fully understands that Russia has it's fill of Nazi's BUT I see he is not condemning Russian Nazi's--SO why the sudden deep interest in "so called Ukrainian Nazi's"?????

    Captured by #Ukraine near #Mariupol, #Russian soldier with Nazi tattoo! The real fascists CAUGHT IN BIG LIE! pic.twitter.com/h7wVL4T4B6

    Captured near #Shyrokyne , an RU soldier, nazi supporter and with his RU documents https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater … pic.twitter.com/HWvlaklSg7

    Ukraine Right Sector captured another #Russia(n) soldier by call sign "June" in #Shyrokyne http://translate.googleusercontent.c...L3epIbba2m3QBQ … pic.twitter.com/kfkpVnO5Ms
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    And Basurin only says what Lentsov (Russian Army) wants him to say - for domestic consumption in Russia (They believe it!)

    Hot spots of Ukraine Conflict as of June 12, 2015
    http://en.hromadske.tv pic.twitter.com/2rhB7nwyfY

    We agree. These are probing attacks and small unit tactics, not "offensive" tactics.

    Several terrorists’ mortar shells hit five-storey apartment building in Triokhizbenka http://en.censor.net.ua/n339989

    Numerous reports on social media that #Avdiyivka coke plant as been shelled again today. Augurs (more) trouble for Mariupol steel industry

    Terrorists shelled Zolote and Marinka checkpoints http://en.censor.net.ua/n340006

    Former US ambassador says Congress ready to send weapons to Ukraine - watch on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/politics/wroclaw-g...ne-438796.html

    Today 74 years ago #Soviets sent 65000 innocent people from #Baltics #Ukraine & #Moldova to #Siberia just like that. pic.twitter.com/F0CpLu2B8w

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    http://sputniknews.com/europe/201506...#ixzz3d3k1Mnwe

    Donbass on Brink of Major War, Conflict May Escalate Any Time - DPR

    11:47 14.06.2015(updated 11:51 14.06.2015)

    The conflict in southeastern Ukraine can escalate at any time, representative of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) at the Minsk peace talks Denis Pushilin said Sunday, pointing to a threat of a major war between Kiev forces and independence supporters amid a ceasefire enforced in the region.

    DONETSK (Sputnik) – Kiev forces launched a military operation against independence supporters in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in April 2014. In February the two sides signed a ceasefire deal, but sporadic fighting has continued in Donbass despite the agreement.

    "We are actually on the brink of a major war right now. Our conflict is not an internal Ukrainian one, it is fully in line with what is happening in Syria, Yemen, the uprising in Macedonia,… and could lead to very tragic consequences and, as a result, things can escalate in a matter of hours."

    Pushilin told RIA Novosti that the stance of the international community on the Donbass conflict could determine whether fighting in Ukraine’s southeast would finally stop.


    "Some major developing countries are giving a certain signal even through their neutrality and non-interference [in the conflict], that they are not supporting a military solution, they are for the continuation of the peace process. A singe decision that seemingly has no influence on anything could become critical and tip the scales one way or another."

    Pushilin added that the conflict in Donbass could go on for dozens of years.

    "It is not that we will be under fire for 10 years. What’s meant here is whether a full solution on political issues will be found in the conflict. This can take a very long time. This process is unpredictable," Pushilin explained.

    According to Pushilin, the DPR is doing everything to bring an end to shelling in southeastern Ukraine.

    "What is most important for us now is the issue of the ‘all-for-all’ [prisoner] exchange and the presence of some representatives from the other side who do not consider it necessary to intensify the prisoner exchange process in the agreed ‘all-for-all’ format, they are trying to find some other ways and are slowing down [the process] with their actions," Denis Pushilin told RIA Novosti.

    The DPR negotiator stressed that the prisoner swaps was the main issue of discussion among members of the humanitarian subgroup of the Contact Group on Ukraine, which includes representatives from Kiev, the self-proclaimed people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, Moscow and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).

    The lifting of the economic blockade imposed on Donbass by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko amid fighting between Kiev forces and local independence supporters will top the agenda at the upcoming talks in Minsk, the DPR envoy said.

    "The lifting of the economic blockade," Pushilin said when asked about the key issues to be discussed during the talks.

    An economic subgroup of the Contact Group on Ukraine is scheduled to meet in the Belarusian capital on June 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Seems the good Congressman "forgot" to ask the Ukrainians what they think of the "so called Nazi Regiment Azov" that he passed an amendment on in the Defense Spending Bill.

    RESIDENTS OF #MARIUPOL THANK THE #AZOV FOR LIBERATING THE CITY FROM THE #TERRORISTS OF #DNR https://www.facebook.com/uarighttraditions/posts/856890501064360[/url] … pic.twitter.com/VehTCZed4M

    AND I am not so sure he fully understands that Russia has it's fill of Nazi's BUT I see he is not condemning Russian Nazi's--SO why the sudden deep interest in "so called Ukrainian Nazi's"?????

    Captured by #Ukraine near #Mariupol, #Russian soldier with Nazi tattoo! The real fascists CAUGHT IN BIG LIE! pic.twitter.com/h7wVL4T4B6

    Captured near #Shyrokyne , an RU soldier, nazi supporter and with his RU documents https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater … pic.twitter.com/HWvlaklSg7

    Ukraine Right Sector captured another #Russia(n) soldier by call sign "June" in #Shyrokyne http://translate.googleusercontent.c...L3epIbba2m3QBQ … pic.twitter.com/kfkpVnO5Ms
    The Right Sector published an interview with the Nazi russian mercenary captured at Shyrokyno https://youtu.be/7WCNzHY4-rw

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
    Cannot believe the good Congressman would believe social media would not have run down what was behind his amendment.

    http://zik.ua/en/news/2015/06/14/ant...vochkin_598626

    Anti-Ukrainian provocation in USA was bankrolled by S. Liovochkin

    Ex-Regions heavyweight member Serhy Liovochkin was behind the anti-Ukrainian provocation in the United States aimed at declaring the ‘Azov’ volunteer battalion a neo-Nazi unit and banning to give Ukraine mobile AA missiles, Ihor Mosijchuk, a Radical party lawmaker, writes in Facebook June 14, citing his own investigation.

    “The links to US Congress adopting a ban to provide instructors for ‘Azov’ servicemen and supply mobile AA Stinger missiles lead to Kyiv,” he writes.

    The lobbying was done, under contract with Liovochkin, by US spin doctor Paul Mannafort whose services had been used by ex-president Yanukovych, Mosijchuk says.

    The ban was initiated in the Congress by Congressman John Conniers

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    Reference Moldavian elections---Transnistria

    REPORTS OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CHECKING PEOPLE FROM TRANSNISTRIA THAT WERE TRYING TO VOTE
    http://agora.md/stiri/9909/rata-de-p...u-unii-votanti

    REPORTS OF BEATINGS IN POLLING STATIONS, PEOPLE BROUGHT BY BUS OR WITH AMBULANCES TO VOTE, OR PAID WITH MONEY OR DRINKS.

    BREAKING: PARTIAL RESULTS SHOW PRO-RUSSIAN CANDIDATE(ACTUALLY BORN IN RUSSIA) WON THE CAPITAL CHISINAU
    http://www.realitatea.md/live-text--...lei_22295.html
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    #Donetsk 22:29
    Proletarka - Loud BOOM minute ago, unclear what was https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610174902444924929

    9:45PM
    Anti-aircraft guns shooting again over the southern outskirts of #Luhansk... Very loud. https://twitter.com/Edward_Lugansk/s...56011400335360

    #Donetsk 21:17
    Trudovsky ds - loud volleys https://twitter.com/Serzzze/status/610155148371955714

    #Russia|n snipers firing from trenches on the #Marinka front line near #Donetsk City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=174&v=AJyWZK2B_f0

    VIDEO Russian Hybrid Battlegroup 'Diesel' says it's ready to attack.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPL5IyKhYA … pic.twitter.com/EsJg34VtOB

    "Separatist" leader Givi wounded in ammunition dump strike in #Donetsk https://www.facebook.com/vasul.andri...42?pnref=story … pic.twitter.com/PJToucgrBD
    Militant Givi, who forced Ukrainian POWs to eat uniform patches, rumored to have been wounded.

    Strelkov aka Girkin (on the left) 1992 in Bosnia pic.twitter.com/jDfRCidc7i
    The individual who started the so called “separatist” movement in the Donbas
    GRU and FSB officer

    9:52PM
    #Avdiivka small arms shooting, sounds like tanks at #Optyne and something heavy at #Pisky. https://twitter.com/bamr69/status/610157922870513665

    Yesterday a #Russia(n) convoy of 10 Urals,13 armored vehicles,etc entered Shahtarsk #Ukraine http://translate.googleusercontent.c...k1BDp-0cHtxrQQ … pic.twitter.com/XlumiwWlAU

    Rus backed fighters firing from trenches on the front line in Donetsk region (@rConflictNews) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyWZK2B_f0 … pic.twitter.com/MWDWpGbBah

    Ground fighting is still ongoing here--------
    #Marinka 22:15PM
    Skirmish in road police post area

    Ground fighting is ongoing here------
    #Avdiivka
    Ongoing battle https://twitter.com/Olga_kievljanka/...69041995608064

    15:22 #Volodymyrivka, #Artemovsk raion @solomazheka the 2nd a day UAV flew over fr/NE to/SW fr/#Novomykhaylivka tow/Kyrylivka

    Militants keep intensely firing at Ukr forces and towns: 65 times during the day. Highest no. at #Donetsk direction https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/po...13523328658473

    Volunteer Bogdan Kovalyov: No truce today in #Marinka - 2 KIA and 15 WIA http://censor.net.ua/news/340038/v_r...ce=twitterfeed

    Today in #Pisky perished a Dnipro-1 regiment serrviceman, head of #Donetsk Leninsky ds Svoboda party org Ihor Kanakov @vo_svoboda
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Reference Moldavian elections---Transnistria

    REPORTS OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CHECKING PEOPLE FROM TRANSNISTRIA THAT WERE TRYING TO VOTE
    http://agora.md/stiri/9909/rata-de-p...u-unii-votanti

    REPORTS OF BEATINGS IN POLLING STATIONS, PEOPLE BROUGHT BY BUS OR WITH AMBULANCES TO VOTE, OR PAID WITH MONEY OR DRINKS.

    BREAKING: PARTIAL RESULTS SHOW PRO-RUSSIAN CANDIDATE(ACTUALLY BORN IN RUSSIA) WON THE CAPITAL CHISINAU
    http://www.realitatea.md/live-text--...lei_22295.html
    BREAKING: SURPRISING FINAL RESULTS IN MOLDOVA ELECTIONS(CHISINAU) - PRO-EU CAND. 37%, PRO-RUSSIAN 36%! WILL BE SETTLED IN 2ND ROUND

    #Russia passports handed out in #Transnistria as Russian media claim #Ukraine planning war: http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1434310866 … pic.twitter.com/OiXRG8xcYO

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
    The Congressman should show some concern for the sheer number of Russian Nazi's fighting in the Ukraine and or in the Russian military. But he did not as he was false informed it seems by someone with other interests.

    A member of Russian Special Forces company which stormed the Crimean Parliament is an identified neo-Nazi pic.twitter.com/cjWSqu32NV

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    #Russian TV proudly shows its illegal armed groups setting up #landmines in Ukraine. https://youtu.be/H0KmJq9cww0 pic.twitter.com/OBIs4P6HcT

    Format of hybrid war changing, #Russia will try to undermine #Ukraine's stability from within – Poroshenko http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/271764.html

    Volleys of MLRS "Grad" in Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/15-june...rad-in-donetsk

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    More on the two Russian Spetsnaz POWs: He claims he can validate and prove he is still a Russian active duty soldier.

    Alexandrov, who was arrested in Donbass agreed to file civil lawsuit against MoD of RF for unfair dismissal from AF https://twitter.com/meduzaproject/st...70061682016256

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    The Congressman should show some concern for the sheer number of Russian Nazi's fighting in the Ukraine and or in the Russian military. But he did not as he was false informed it seems by someone with other interests.

    A member of Russian Special Forces company which stormed the Crimean Parliament is an identified neo-Nazi pic.twitter.com/cjWSqu32NV

    Seems the local Ukrainian media has a far different view of Azov as does the good Congressman:

    Holding back #Putin’s Red Tide in #Shyrokyne (#photo essay):
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...-in-shyrokyne/
    AZOV pic.twitter.com/pubxQtm4G2

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    Will comment on this later today.

    Ukraine'll not pay for deliveries of Russian electricity to the occupied territories of Donbass - "Ukrenergo" https://twitter.com/sergvlady/status/610382142829428737

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Seems the local Ukrainian media has a far different view of Azov as does the good US Congressman Conyers:

    Holding back #Putin’s Red Tide in #Shyrokyne (#photo essay):
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...-in-shyrokyne/
    AZOV pic.twitter.com/pubxQtm4G2
    During Cold War, Rep Conyers tight with World Peace Council a known KGB front. Some things never change.

    Two #Azov soldiers troll #Russia media online,pretend they're USA soldiers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtQzJghF24
    Full report here: http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/1...-in-shyrokyne/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Am bringing this forward into the thread as a perfect example of just how US Congressman seem at times to be either "bought" by lobbyists or simply know nothing about which they claim to stand for.

    Jun 11 2015

    U.S. House Passes 3 Amendments By Rep. Conyers To Defense Spending Bill To Protect Civilians From Dangers Of Arming and Training Foreign Forces
    Department of state: #the U.S. had no plans to train battalion #Azov. pic.twitter.com/PoD7tNkrt2 http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/16-june...plans-to-train

    This DoS statement seems to imply two questions;

    1. why did the good Congressman not fact check his information concerning the projected training of Azov

    AND even more importantly--

    2. WHO fed him the "wrong information" and what did he get for his efforts outside of press coverage????

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    In #Аntrasyt area (#Luhansk reg.) a large convoy of GRADs arrived from Russia, they went to the Novopavlivka mine. https://twitter.com/Karlik_Pu/status/610561373697896448

    #Avdiivka shelling 14.06.2015
    HighRes: http://img.ly/C3wx pic.twitter.com/h93Gq4ZGW3

    AND this after even the JCCC with a Russian general actually accused and verified that the mercenaries were in fact firing phosphorus shells.

    Russia MoD war propaganda accuses Ukraine of using phosphorus shells.
    If you tell a lie often enough...

    https://twitter.com/zvezdanews/statu...51884751990785

    @ystriya Phosphorous shells my backside! (That's a glowing fuse head FFS). Someone with a blowtorch and a videocam more like!

    From another world of “Russian reality”
    Russian Investigative Committee official wants probe into U.S. moon landing, suggests it was faked
    http://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2015/...ficial-wants-a

    VIDEO @SimonOstrovsky following the path of Russian soldiers taking selfies in Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso … pic.twitter.com/dV87kBPWbx

    VICE News ✔ @vicenews
    .@SimonOstrovsky sets out to prove that Russian soldiers are fighting in Ukraine: http://bit.ly/1cY2vgs pic.twitter.com/F8TFtzaHR1
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