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    For those decision makers who sit in DC, Paris, and Berlin—maybe spending a single night under Russian shellings and ground attacks might wake them up to the simple fact—there is an ongoing third phase of the Russo Ukrainian war in Central Europe and it is being fought day and night for a width of 60kms over 400 miles of front lines.

    Russian troops and her mercenaries have over 700 tanks, 1000 IFVs/APCs and hundreds of artillery tubes, mortars and MLRSs—MORE heavy arms that four major NATO armies and a standing force inside the Ukraine plus on her borders than the entire German Army has in available manpower YET no one believes there is a war—just how strange is that????


    Dokuchaevsk expects shelling shortly: 4 Russian howitzers left a hangar, heading the town. https://twitter.com/shuttle1907/stat...69390428475392

    20:40 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 2 SPG went tow eastern pit, 2 more towards the town https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630070350911553537

    20:35 #Donetsk @relictDon "Both new and previous" https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630067288612409344

    20:33 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 Maybe there will be shelling any time soon - 4 RUS SPG went out of garages eastwards

    Ukraine's 28th Brigade say they recorded 34 attacks on their positions during the last day
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...79&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/n6mnTyh0JP

    Quiet Near Mariupol, Plenty of Fighting North of Donetsk http://bit.ly/1Mct0Nn pic.twitter.com/JQceIHCqc1

    Donetsk 20:51
    Armor on Petrovsky to west (tank, SPG) https://twitter.com/ADivinorum/statu...73899682791424

    19:35
    #Irmino
    20 outgoing GRAD rockets then another 20. https://twitter.com/StakhanovUA/stat...57312368005120

    Russia-backed militia stationed self-propelled artillery 152 mm and howitzers 120 mm at the "Stirol" concern territory in #Horlivka.

    Donetsk 21:10
    Red flares. They shoot from the left bank towards #Dzerzhynsk https://twitter.com/14720Maro/status/630078634540273665

    21:12 #Donetsk @A_B_Brightside Strange shooting. In the center it is clearly seen, that something blinks and flies in different dir'ns.

    21:12 #Donetsk @A_B_Brightside Like signal flares, it doesn't look like fireworks

    JCCC Observers recorded results of GRAD-P and mortar attacks on Novotoshkivske
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...72&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/PlcnALdzhi

    21:10 #Stanytsia_Luhanska @100007182042214 Skirmishes

    20:51 #Donetsk @sashakots Reinforcement, right in the center there are checkpoints with BTR. I didn't see such before. via @sterion75
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    http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/08/0...ity-in-moscow/

    Truth and insanity in Moscow

    2015/08/08 •

    Article by: Vitaliy Portnikov

    The world is dealing with dangerous criminals in Moscow who maintain that truth is insanity.

    Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Russian government’s Investigative Committee, has hastened to declare that the Ukrainian military prosecutor Anatoliy Matios is insane. Markin did not like the announcement made by Matios that the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov was directly involved in the war against Ukraine. And, naturally, any evidence against (Minister of Defense) Sergey Shoygu and Putin could only be collected by a madman, who else?

    Thanks to Markin’s statement we can see how the world looks from the ward of the really insane. Markin, as well as the other crooks who are responsible for providing propaganda cover for the Kremlin, refuses to see how he appears from the outside. He genuinely does not understand how it could be possible to investigate the activities of Putin himself. After all, Markin, along with many of his compatriots, does not view Putin as an elected leader but rather as God and tsar. Markin does not want to see that no one believes Moscow’s stories about Russia’s innocence in the military actions against Ukraine. Simply put, he lives in his own reality. And everyone who does not want to sink into his illusory world is considered a fool.

    This is why any dialogue with Russians is useless — with those who support Putin’s criminal regime. These people do not want discussions or investigations. They want black to be called white, dictatorship — democracy, popular uprising — fascism, aggressor nation — peacekeeper, inept government — height of competence, corruption — professionalism, and crime — an achievement. And any violation of these transposed concepts (substitution) is immediately declared insane.

    And how could it be otherwise? If we tell Putin’s supporters that Babay (Alexander Mozhaev, notorious Russian operative in the Donbas war — Ed.) is a drug dealer and criminal and not a hero of the “Russian World,” we immediately are called insane. If we tell the Russians that the annexation of Crimea is contrary to international law and the obligations of Russia itself, we immediately are called insane. If we tell the Russians that Savchenko was kidnapped and had not crossed the border, we immediately are called insane. And so on and so forth. But it is a question of facts, not opinions, and Matios is dealing with facts and not opinions.

    The problem of the Russian regime is precisely its rejection of facts. And it is this rejection that leads us to conclude that we are dealing with dangerous criminals who are ready to declare that the plain truth is insanity.

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    There is some indications that the US is applying again unilateral appeasement pressure on the Ukraine to grant a general amnesty to all those fighting in eastern--ie a blanket coverage of all mercenaries who have committed war crimes and or crimes against humanity in order to "appease Putin".

    Although such a general blanket coverage is not in Minsk 2.

    Maybe the WH and the NSC should rethink their lateral moves as they seem to not understand ground reality in eastern Ukraine.

    youtube.com/watch?v=VMBLD0VXq24 … #Russia's 'Motorola' unit (executed 15 Ukr POWs).Amnesty material? pic.twitter.com/pkj4HJl3YV

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    Obama and his NSC still do not get that their unilateral moves got them nowhere.

    NOW the Russia have resumed use of their MLRSs in complete violation of Minsk 2 and nothing is being said in DC, Paris, Berlin.

    Basically there is no Minsk 2.

    Mil source: in recent days, Russian forces have resumed the consistent bombardment of Ukrainian positions using Grad rocket artillery.

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    U.S. adds Russian oil field to sanctions list
    http://cnb.cx/1UvA22E
    pic.twitter.com/I4qnTFYGWk
    That is a big thing. US directly targets Russian oil business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    For those decision makers who sit in DC, Paris, and Berlin—maybe spending a single night under Russian shellings and ground attacks might wake them up to the simple fact—there is an ongoing third phase of the Russo Ukrainian war in Central Europe and it is being fought day and night for a width of 60kms over 400 miles of front lines.

    Russian troops and her mercenaries have over 700 tanks, 1000 IFVs/APCs and hundreds of artillery tubes, mortars and MLRSs—MORE heavy arms that four major NATO armies and a standing force inside the Ukraine plus on her borders than the entire German Army has in available manpower YET no one believes there is a war—just how strange is that????


    Dokuchaevsk expects shelling shortly: 4 Russian howitzers left a hangar, heading the town. https://twitter.com/shuttle1907/stat...69390428475392

    20:40 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 2 SPG went tow eastern pit, 2 more towards the town https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630070350911553537

    20:35 #Donetsk @relictDon "Both new and previous" https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630067288612409344

    20:33 #Dokuchaevsk @shuttle1907 Maybe there will be shelling any time soon - 4 RUS SPG went out of garages eastwards

    Ukraine's 28th Brigade say they recorded 34 attacks on their positions during the last day
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...79&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/n6mnTyh0JP

    Quiet Near Mariupol, Plenty of Fighting North of Donetsk http://bit.ly/1Mct0Nn pic.twitter.com/JQceIHCqc1

    Donetsk 20:51
    Armor on Petrovsky to west (tank, SPG) https://twitter.com/ADivinorum/statu...73899682791424

    19:35
    #Irmino
    20 outgoing GRAD rockets then another 20. https://twitter.com/StakhanovUA/stat...57312368005120

    Russia-backed militia stationed self-propelled artillery 152 mm and howitzers 120 mm at the "Stirol" concern territory in #Horlivka.

    Donetsk 21:10
    Red flares. They shoot from the left bank towards #Dzerzhynsk https://twitter.com/14720Maro/status/630078634540273665

    21:12 #Donetsk @A_B_Brightside Strange shooting. In the center it is clearly seen, that something blinks and flies in different dir'ns.

    21:12 #Donetsk @A_B_Brightside Like signal flares, it doesn't look like fireworks

    JCCC Observers recorded results of GRAD-P and mortar attacks on Novotoshkivske
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...72&__tn__=%2As … pic.twitter.com/PlcnALdzhi

    21:10 #Stanytsia_Luhanska @100007182042214 Skirmishes

    20:51 #Donetsk @sashakots Reinforcement, right in the center there are checkpoints with BTR. I didn't see such before. via @sterion75
    Something audible in #Mariupol but i can not translate the last word
    fast-shooter", anti-air machine gun perhaps thx, okay then probably UAV in the sky

    also near Donetsk same, - extra reconnaissance today

    21:00 #Donetsk @Dusya60000018 Yes indeed, 2 BTR at Ilyicha-Naberezhna, all cars are inspected. Lots of automatic riflemen.

    21:46 #Horlivka center @DobryShubin Shooting at an UAV

    Russian militants tank shooting - "remembering 8/8/8" via @sashakots pic.twitter.com/c9sAWUI6tm

    21:45 #Stanytsia_Luhanska @100007182042214 As a result of RUS attack at least one home is on fire

    21:57 #Horlivka Kalinovka @ukrainaw777 an UAV was downed. Burst were from Skladska St

    22:00 #Donetks @ukrainaw777 At Budennogo Sq police checks everyone and everything

    21:20 #Krasnohorivka @hyeva_maryinka Single boom and quiet

    22:00 @Donetskyi A bit of shooting but quiet in general

    Donetsk -Reinforcement, in the center there are checkpoints with APCs http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-augus...re-checkpoints

    Very high activity of Russian UAVs near Donetsk, in short time - 8 units http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-augus...s-near-donetsk

    Too quiet everywhere as for 22:00. Maybe some clown as Surkov is in #Donetsk again?

    Russian-backed militants fire 50 mortar shells on Maryinka checkpoint - read on - http://uatoday.tv http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-backe...nt-471469.html

    21:45 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Some booms in #Spartak area, AA-gun?
    22:09 Again bursts in the same place

    22:00 #Maryinka @hyeva_maryinka [vk] No significant change, sometimes noisy a bit in hospital area
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-08-2015 at 07:17 PM.

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    Interior Ministry of #Ukraine summons for questioning 7 "DPR ministers". Can be sentenced in absentia as per Ukr law http://www.mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/ma...6A70A8419836C7

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    Literally and absolutely to quiet---something is up--Russia doing a total unilateral ceasefire-without telling the world-strange???

    Too quiet everywhere as for 22:00. Maybe some clown as Surkov is in #Donetsk again?

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    Disgust over #Putin burning food is spreading .. latest polling is indicating a majority of Russians are against it as well.

    https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/630097421427720192

    In St. Petersburg were beaten activists against the destruction of food ...
    How is it "symbolic" ... https://twitter.com/podrobnosti/stat...93889525956608
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Literally and absolutely to quiet---something is up--Russia doing a total unilateral ceasefire-without telling the world-strange???

    Too quiet everywhere as for 22:00. Maybe some clown as Surkov is in #Donetsk again?
    Well seems the Russians did not end their war--on again.....

    22:35 #Donetsk @GirkinGirkin "Schetinina: I am flabbergasted"
    22:38 @PaulVezko There was rustle and boom then

    22:37 #Makeevka @VasyaMakeevskiy Artillery volleysagain from Lisniy-Batman, howitzers

    22"36 #Donetsk @Shymanovski MRLS went loudly+single shot
    @VasyaMakeevskiy AAmissile system?
    @TombstoneDjack like that,fr/center w/aftersound

    BREAKING: Outgoing MLRS shelling from Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-augus...g-from-donetsk

    22:40 #Donetsk @Shymanovski Strong singles from Butovska mine direction

    22:36 #Makiivka @tatyana17112009 Very loud boom

    22:37 #Horlivka Stroitel @ahab7822 Signal flare southward from Stroitel

    22:37 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Artillery volleys again from Lisniy-Batman, howitzers
    22:46 It was a AA missile blast

    Horlivka @ahab7822 Green https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630103624622997505

    Russia|n infilitrator from DNR spotted in #Kyiv police? pic.twitter.com/jOtUwO6zd1 @ServiceSsu https://twitter.com/Vlupidolin/statu...86186023952388
    Kyiv resident recognized his Russian sister in the new Kyiv police.

    22:04 #Dzerzhynsk @DrezdonNikas Shooting at UAV, the night promises hot

    23:02 #Dzerzhynsk @dimetros7776 Lots of UAVs today indeed, especially in #Dyliivka direction, UKR were shooting w/AA-gun, not downed

    22:35 #Makiivka @j1001r A signal flare towards Vostochny, a mortar round then, blast in 3 sec. Since 21:20 RUS shell from Lisniy w/pauses

    RUssians are shelling #Stanytsia_Luhanska again.

    23:16 #Luhansk @LUGANSK_TODAY Again shelling #Stanytsia_Luhanska w/heavy artillery started

    22:36 #Donetsk @Dusya60000018 Something boomed. Noisy Saturday evening

    23:20 #Khartsyzk @natroso Thru the center 4 #Uragan|s or #Smerch|es went towards #Zhdanivka

    23:37 #Pervomaske, #Pisky Strong self-propelled gun, tank fire incoming.
    We don't return the fire
    . https://twitter.com/AMykhailova/stat...15528548421632

    Dzerzhynsk 22:48 Fire, from shelling https://twitter.com/DrezdonNikas/sta...03320707891200
    Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 08-08-2015 at 08:47 PM.

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...source=twitter

    Out in the Cold

    08.07.151:00 AM ET

    Russia Slides Back to the Middle Ages

    MOSCOW — After Russia vetoed a United Nations Security Council draft resolution last week, many Russians started to panic.

    Their beloved country, famous for groundbreaking novels and poetry, for fabulous nature, perfect ballet—for sending the first man into space!—looked like the odd man out on the global scene.

    The resolution in question would have set up a tribunal to investigate and try those responsible for shooting down a Malaysian airliner, MH17, over Ukraine last year. All 298 people aboard were killed, and Moscow-backed rebels are widely thought to have launched the missile that blew up the plane.

    So when 11 of the 15 members of the Security Council voted for the resolution, three abstained, and only Russia voted no, the move met with near-universal condemnation.

    In the aftermath, many in Moscow began to wonder how far backward Russia is going to slide.

    “The veto at the UN is a bright, clear sign of wild, medieval times coming to a once-great country,” independent political observer Sergei Porkhomenko posted on Facebook. He invited Russians to comment on a page discussing the new “medieval morals”; hundreds did, and examples poured in:

    The Ukrainian pilot Nadezhda Savchenko, who had been on a hunger strike in a Russian prison for weeks, was denied a jury trial because she was a woman.

    An Orthodox priest is being appointed director of a site of Greek ruins and a pagan temple in Crimea, and that’s just a minor symptom of a major phenomenon: The Russian Orthodox Church plays an increasingly important role in domestic politics, not only in various Russian regions but in rebel-occupied eastern Ukraine.

    It is rare in modern Russia for a public or political event to place without the Church present. In the insurgent Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, priests bless armed rebel soldiers going to war against Kiev. Some experts have compared the Russian president to Slobodan Milosevic, the former Serbian leader, who also surrounded himself with priests.

    When did this Russian retrogression begin? Duma deputy Dmitry Gudkov, a critic of the government so bold and outspoken he’s sometimes called Russia’s “enfant terrible,” tells The Daily Beast that the major turning point was the Crimea annexation, which “let the genie out of the bottle.”

    Gudkov says many parliamentary deputies are ashamed of the way Russian institutions are degrading, but that the decisions were not made in the Duma.

    “The Church dominates,” says Gudkov. “The legitimate state is being destroyed by censorship and persecutions. Hardly anybody has the power to stop the country sinking into obscurantism and lawlessness. … The clans who really make decisions in Russia calculate their moves by reading Putin’s gestures, his moods. Nothing makes sense any longer.”

    On the surface, life in Moscow looks civilized enough: lots of wonderful restaurants, even free WiFi in the subway, taxis ordered online arrive instantly, pedestrian streets are trimmed with flowers. In big Russian cities people live a much more comfortable life than 20 years ago, shopping in Western malls, driving Western cars, relaxing on the verandas of cafés.

    “Hardly anybody has the power to stop the country sinking into obscurantism and lawlessness.”

    But at what cost? Complacent public opinion is rapidly growing hostile to free speech. On Monday the pro-Kremlin polling center VTSIOM reported that nearly half—49 percent—of Russians welcomed Internet censorship.

    The Kremlin’s officials seem satisfied as they look out of their vehicle windows and live in their own parallel world.

    On Monday, Russian media discussed the $65,000 watch on the wrist of President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov. Why would a top official demonstratively mock his poor countrymen with such a bauble when millions live on less than $500 a month? And for good measure Peskov’s 17-year-old daughter, Yelizaveta, told the online publication gazeta.ru she plans to reside in France.

    “No officials at the top of the power pyramid think of Russia’s future,” said Gudkov. “Their families live abroad, while they steal millions of state dollars from Russian society.”

    By refusing to let an international tribunal investigate the MH17 tragedy, Russia chose self-isolation. Since last summer millions of law enforcement officials and bureaucrats had been banned from traveling abroad, and the country is losing its chances to integrate into the Western world. Indeed, in the quarter-century since the Iron Curtain came down, Russia has never opened fully to the West.

    Domestic politics looked darker this year than in a long time. A Human Rights Watch researcher, Tatyana Lokshina, said that the Kremlin took a huge leap backward by intensifying its crackdown on civil society, media, and the Internet, as it sought to control the narrative about developments in Ukraine. “Russia's parliament adopted laws, and authorities engaged in practices, that increasingly isolated the country and inflamed anti-Western hysteria unseen since the Soviet era,” Lokshina told The Daily Beast.

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    Obama and his 700 person NSC AND Merkel need to sit up and understand exactly what Putin is threatening….

    Julian Röpcke @JulianRoepcke
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    Die russischen Streitkräfte im Ostseeraum trainieren Bombenangriffe
    Auf den Bomben: "NACH BERLIN"
    pic.twitter.com/Fa1eWksWpm

    Link zur Seite der russischen Ostseeflotte mit dem Foto: http://flot.com/2015/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1...D0%B8%D1%8F21/

    Some presents "for Berlin" from Russian forces in Baltic Sea pic.twitter.com/edRueTAtoP

    In German—Russian military is practicing bombing runs—on one of the practice boimbs in Russian—“on to Berlin”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Well seems the Russians did not end their war--on again.....

    22:35 #Donetsk @GirkinGirkin "Schetinina: I am flabbergasted"
    22:38 @PaulVezko There was rustle and boom then

    22:37 #Makeevka @VasyaMakeevskiy Artillery volleysagain from Lisniy-Batman, howitzers

    22"36 #Donetsk @Shymanovski MRLS went loudly+single shot
    @VasyaMakeevskiy AAmissile system?
    @TombstoneDjack like that,fr/center w/aftersound

    BREAKING: Outgoing MLRS shelling from Donetsk http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/8-augus...g-from-donetsk

    22:40 #Donetsk @Shymanovski Strong singles from Butovska mine direction

    22:36 #Makiivka @tatyana17112009 Very loud boom

    22:37 #Horlivka Stroitel @ahab7822 Signal flare southward from Stroitel

    22:37 #Makiivka @VasyaMakeevskiy Artillery volleys again from Lisniy-Batman, howitzers
    22:46 It was a AA missile blast

    Horlivka @ahab7822 Green https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/630103624622997505

    Russia|n infilitrator from DNR spotted in #Kyiv police? pic.twitter.com/jOtUwO6zd1 @ServiceSsu https://twitter.com/Vlupidolin/statu...86186023952388
    Kyiv resident recognized his Russian sister in the new Kyiv police.

    22:04 #Dzerzhynsk @DrezdonNikas Shooting at UAV, the night promises hot

    23:02 #Dzerzhynsk @dimetros7776 Lots of UAVs today indeed, especially in #Dyliivka direction, UKR were shooting w/AA-gun, not downed
    This development is not good--never has occurred the past
    year.....


    Reports on UAVs both UKR and RUS in Horlivka, Donetsk, Makiivka, Dzerzhynsk, more of them than usually. Bad sign.

    Really really strange events ongoing tonight across the entire front------

    23:26 #Horlivka @ahab7822 "Curiouser and curiouser"! VAI [mil police] truck&4box carriers, like refrigerator entered the city

    23:30 #Donetsk @Buzzing_Rook In comparison with the evening 2 days ago, today we have a peaceful Saturday night, quiet...
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    More than 1120 graves added to #Rostov graveyard in 1 year time.

    https://twitter.com/ASpinOfTheWheel/...99935363383296

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